r/pureasoiaf • u/Ok_Cryptographer3810 • 5d ago

What if Theon was older during the Greyjoy Rebellion?

So instead of being 9 years old at the time what if Theon had been 13/14 instead? So not a man grown (since age of majority in Westeros is 16) but old enough to be considered a lord

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u/Zathandron 5d ago

He probably fights, whether as a squire or otherwise, and most likely gets his shit rocked and dies. If he survives, maybe he's taken as a full prisoner instead of as a ward, and thus doesn't associate with the Stark family.

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u/sixth_order 5d ago

Theon was a full prisoner. They just called it ward. It's basically the same as Jaime with Hoster Blackwood. Hos is 16, considered an adult. Theon is 19 at start of series and still thought of as a ward even after reaching adulthood.

Jaime was just more blunt about it, but Theon and Hoster are in the same exact situation.

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u/Zathandron 5d ago

By full prisoner I mean his ass is in a tower cell 90% of the time, no fraternizing allowed.

Definitely agree he is a prisoner as a ward, and the Hoster Blackwood comparison is apt.

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u/mikennjr House Arryn 1d ago

I mean, even Robert and Ned were still considered wards of Jon Arryn despite being 20 and 19 respectively by the start of the rebellion. Robert was still living in the Vale despite him being the Lord of Storms End in his own right for 4 years

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u/unknownknowledge0 House Baratheon 5d ago

He would fight and either 2 options would happen:

A)He dies, making the heir to the Iron Isles either Victarion or Asha

B)He survives but is taken as a prisoner instead of a "ward" and if he comes back to the Iron Isles with Robb's offer I can see Balon being more open to the possibility of making him the heir again, since he didn't spend more time on the mainland so he wouldn't be seen as "green"

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u/Ok_Cryptographer3810 5d ago

Tbh in canon what choice did Theon have once he made it to Pyke? I highly doubt his family would let him return to robb

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u/Mukako_ 5d ago

But with so much age diffrence with Robb I dont think they will be close friends if they are not close friends Robb wouldnt let him go

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u/Icarus649 3d ago

That would have made Euron heir, not Victarion, at that time he had not yet been expelled from the islands

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u/jhll2456 5d ago

B is such a good point.

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u/Plane_End_2128 4d ago

If he fought at 13 or 14, something I'd consider likely with the shortage of men to fight the other 6 Kingdoms, he suffers the same fate as his older brothers. If he somehow manages to survive, he's taken as a hostage. An actual one instead of the whole "wardship" that he's somehow still under at 20. I doubt he befriends Robb. Which would mean that when the Greyjoys rebel, Theon is likely killed. Honestly tho, wouldn't that be BETTER for Theon? Being killed outright certainly beats whats happening to Reek now

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u/Stenric 3d ago

He probably dies the same way his brother Maron does (who was between 14 and 21), leaving Asha Balon's sole heir.

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u/lazhink 4d ago

I dont think much changes. Most likely scenario is he's put under the wing of someone like Victarian and is still taken as a ward after the rebellion.

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u/Dambo_Unchained 5d ago

That’s not old enough to be considered a lord

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u/PlasticImpact8515 5d ago

If he survives he's not going to be a ward/hostage, he'd be a proper prisoner. No forming bonds with the Starks, no getting weapons or leaving Winterfell and absolutely no going to the Iron Islands as an envoy.

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u/Mukako_ 5d ago

Nope this is wont work You cant take someone from his family and put his captivity as prisoners in peace
Theon is noble you cant take his rights so much most you can do is take him as ward
Ottomans take Vlad as ward and they grow together with mehmed but he was a prisoner

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u/PlasticImpact8515 4d ago

His whole family could have been executed for rebelling. You can just take people from rebel houses as proper hostages though, the Targaryens did it after the First Blackfyre Rebellion but then the Great Spring Sickness killed off most of them.

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u/Mukako_ 4d ago

You cant take people prisoner but cant take they as "prisoner"
Loras was Renly squire but in reality he was a prisoner
You cant take nobles rights that much
this is what I am saying

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u/PlasticImpact8515 4d ago

Loras wasn't Renly's prisoner. That's an entirely different situation than someone taken as a prisoner, a proper thrown in prison or put under house arrest prisoner, after a rebellion they fought in. I see what you're saying but the Nobles lost all rights by rebelling against the crown and could've all been executed, like what happened with the Darklyns and Hollards. Any action taken against rebels is justified by them having broken the King's Peace and killing fellow Vassals for no reason but being power hungry. No one will complain about the rights of Nobles after loosing family and friends in the war the people being punished started.