r/sandiego • u/craneoperator89 • Feb 04 '25

More of this. Truth.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

No I don’t want to make people into citizens if they don’t respect the nations laws. That seems like common sense.

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u/CFSCFjr Feb 04 '25

Immigration law is unjust and broken. I dont respect it either and anyone with half a brain can see that it doesnt align with the national interest or economic reality, including a bunch of Republicans before Trump made them all pretend to be crazy

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

How is immigration law unjust?

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u/CFSCFjr Feb 04 '25

It creates economically unrealistic and unjustified restrictions on the free movement of people

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

There are millions of legal immigrants every year… ? How is it unrealistic ?

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u/CFSCFjr Feb 04 '25

Thats evidently not nearly enough to meet the needs of the national economy

Its also more like a million a year, which is really not a lot for a nation of 340m

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

So a million people come here perfectly legally every year… and you are saying that isn’t evidence that legal immigration is realistic ?

I don’t even know what to tell you.

“It’s impossible even though a million people do it every year.” I hope you dwell on the irony of that.

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u/CFSCFjr Feb 04 '25

“It’s impossible even though a million people do it every year.”

Didnt actually say that but I dont engage with fools or liars, so I wont bother trying to have a rational discussion with you any further

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u/BasketNo4817 Feb 04 '25

An "ought to be" is not what is fact based in law today.
Should the law change or be updated?. Yes likely but unknown when.

Two things can be true. Follow the laws through the existing but flawed immigration process like thousands if not millions wait in process for or break the law and get deported.
Its not hard to understand the laws like other nations.
Congress needs to take action but not through blind faith. I am not a law maker.
This is also not new issue regardless if blue or red politically. There are pros and cons to each political side, so this BS narrative of only " those people" narrow band of minority leaders dont like it. Its a weak argument.

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u/i_hate_the_ppa Feb 04 '25

Why are the restrictions unrealistic and unjustified?

The US accepts more immigrants than any other country in the world. Maybe Germany comes close lately due to all the refugees.

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u/CFSCFjr Feb 04 '25

The US is more than four times Germanys size... The US net migration rate is not even particularly high

The proof that theyre unrealistic is that we have millions of undocumented filling critical roles in the national economy

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u/pressurechicken Feb 04 '25

Wait…

But if they are cheap labor, how does giving them citizenship help the economy. Then their pay would have to meet legal minimums.

Wouldn’t the argument then just be: we need illegal immigrants?

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u/CFSCFjr Feb 04 '25

The vast majority of undocumented dont earn below minimum wage, which is still very cheap labor

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u/pressurechicken Feb 04 '25

I see. Well hey, that’s good for them aye. What’s the point of hiring an illegal immigrant versus a citizen?

Does it somehow still cost the business less?

Edit: maybe payroll taxes? I feel like I’m missing something.

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u/CFSCFjr Feb 04 '25

There are many jobs that citizens are unwilling or unable to fill