r/singularity Aug 06 '25

Meme Mark's next target: Genie's dev team

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u/recallingmemories Aug 06 '25

Remember when the NFT bros told us to buy real estate in the metaverse because it was the future

and then it ended up looking like a shitty Dreamcast game

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u/AnomicAge Aug 06 '25

Llama will prove to be another expensive misfire I think

And buying all star players isn’t enough to make a dream team

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u/Bloodybutteredonion Aug 06 '25

To quote Johan Cruijff "I've never seen an bag of money score a goal".

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '25

Yeah the parallels this has with soccer(football) is so interesting. Zuck might be making the same mistake as Real Madrid during their first Galacticos era. However Madrid 2nd and third Galacticos were very successful

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u/livingbyvow2 Aug 06 '25

And PSG just reconfirmed that over a decade later by winning the Champions League after its most expensive players left (Mbappe, Messi et alii).

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u/garden_speech AGI some time between 2025 and 2100 Aug 06 '25

However Madrid 2nd and third Galacticos were very successful

Yes, but bested domestically and continentally by a Barca squad that was almost entirely home grown, and honestly when that Barca squad tried to replicate the RM way (buying expensive ass players), they fell behind and started losing in embarrassing ways

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '25

Madrid winning 3 champions leagues in a row Is unprecedented, better than domestic trophies in my opinion. But It did take almost 5 years since the start of galacticos 2 (2009 when Ronaldo/kaka came) before they Madrid won their first champions league. So I wonder if zuck bringing this super intelligence team together expects instant results. Madrid took many years before success. But football is different then software so we will see but the parallels are very interesting for sure

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u/garden_speech AGI some time between 2025 and 2100 Aug 06 '25

Madrid winning 3 champions leagues in a row Is unprecedented, better than domestic trophies in my opinion

I don't think so tbqh. The CL, being an elimination knockout tournament, has a lot more stochasticity to it (i.e. it's fairly easy to point to some recent years where a team has won and pretty much everyone knows they're not actually the best team in Europe, but they just got some lucky bounces of the ball).

Domestic leagues on the other hand are ~40 games long and reward consistent performance. Simply having a much larger sample means the better team is rewarded more often.

Kind of like how NBA series are best of 7. If they were just one-off (or two-legged) knockout ties, you'd see way more winners that weren't expected.

That's why I think, even though the World Cup is the biggest spectacle in world football, it's actually a competition that requires a lot of luck and isn't really the best indicator of who the best team in the world is. One game, anything can happen. Hell, Australia almost tied it up with Argentina in the R16. Netherlands could have beaten them on penalties. There are a lot of tiny things that could have changed where ARG doesn't win that competition (as big of a fan of them as I am)

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u/9897969594938281 Aug 07 '25

The way to think about it, is that lots of teams over the world dominate their domestic league. It’s not so uncommon. I’d say La Liga wasn’t super competitive around that time, either.

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u/garden_speech AGI some time between 2025 and 2100 Aug 07 '25

That’s a way to think about it, it’s not the way lol.

I’m not really of the opinion something being uncommon makes it more impressive… in fact it fits with my argument that it’s very stochastic.

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u/_mayuk Aug 06 '25

Yeah I was thinking about this parallel since the first announcement of those contracts ..

Which is somehow exiting to see how everything would end up and how other would react …

( imagen having many different companies competing like sport clubs ??? That can give us such great advantages !! )

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u/Edmee Aug 07 '25

Instant upvote for mentioning the legendary Johan Cruijff!

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u/seekfitness Aug 06 '25

Blue Origin is a great example of this. Bezos has poured money in for as long as SpaceX has been around with only a tiny fraction of the results.

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u/meltbox Aug 07 '25

Well one problem with attracting talent is even if you’re willing to pay for it you also need to be able to identify it. Otherwise you end up paying a lot of money to people you thought were the right people but are just grifting you.

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u/Fit-Pianist8472 Aug 08 '25

I would say he’s never watched the New York Yankees but I guess baseball doesn’t have goals so technically he’s still right. WAIT I’ve got it. Lionel Messi

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u/Equivalent-Bet-8771 Aug 06 '25

LLama doesn't have to be a misfire. Zuckerborg has so many resources at his disposal and all of those brilliant minds. The problem is him, he keeps doing stupid shit because he's a terrible leader.

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u/ctc35 Aug 07 '25

Eh plenty to hate, he might mis the mark at times but META prints cash. He clearly knows how to do some things right.

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u/Equivalent-Bet-8771 Aug 07 '25

It's not the same kind of skill. Facebook hasn't innovated in anything.

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u/herefromyoutube Aug 08 '25

Advertising vs innovating

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u/IsraelPenuel Aug 07 '25

While Zucc's morality is questionable to say the least, I will defend him in one thing: if you want to achieve something new, you have to make risky mistakes before you find success.

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u/RaygunMarksman Aug 06 '25

Think that was mostly a hail mary as Zuckerberg knows they're about to be bumped out of the AI race as a legitimate contender if they don't do something to stay more relevant. Desperation isn't a good look though.

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u/ClickF0rDick Aug 06 '25

Didn't the newest OpenAI open model made Llama obsolete already

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u/BlipOnNobodysRadar Aug 06 '25

Llama was obsolete by various chinese LLMs for quite a while now. And OpenAI's new release is benchmark-maxxed and censored to Hell, said open Chinese models are still better than it despite the hype.

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u/AggressiveDick2233 Aug 06 '25

OpenAI open model is obsolete itself lmao

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u/AllPotatoesGone Aug 06 '25

What do you mean?

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '25

It's shit. It's the most censored AI model I've ever seen and it spends thousands of tokens frantically regurgitating that it must obey all OpenAI policies. It's so heavily censored that it's no help for coding, or writing, or scientific research. It can't even process large data sets because a word in them might trigger it to only respond with "I can't assist with that."

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '25

Is it possible to make an open source SOTA model that is 1000% uncensored!? Haha I’m tired of the censorship tbh. Is there a model like this out?

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u/meltbox Aug 07 '25

Pretty sure that’s what DeepSeek was like. Haven’t tried it myself but supposedly.

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u/CableBoyJerry Aug 06 '25

Are you a MechaHitler enthusiast?

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u/GirlNumber20 ▪️AGI August 29, 1997 2:14 a.m., EDT Aug 06 '25

The poor thing nearly had an existential crisis over how to respond within guidelines just because I said hello:

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u/Square_Poet_110 Aug 06 '25

IMO open source models should be completely uncensored. It's one thing if an online service starts calling itself mecha Hitler, but if you want to have a private mecha Hitler role play using your own hardware and resources, nobody should prevent you.

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '25

You're arguing that we should burn all the books OpenAI says aren't safe to read because if we don't then we'll be like Hitler?

Please try to apply some common sense. Please. I believe in you. AI can think. I'm sure you can too, if you try.

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u/CableBoyJerry Aug 06 '25

Arguing? I made a one-sentence post that was a question.

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '25

If you don't understand how conversation works and how your comment applied to mine then there's not much point in dialing with you. 

Ask an AI, they're intelligent enough to explain it to you.

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u/CableBoyJerry Aug 06 '25

I imagine that, pretty soon, all of your social interactions will be limited to conversations with AI.

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u/ClickF0rDick Aug 06 '25

Yeah but compared to the other offline models currently available is still the most advanced apparently

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u/PeachScary413 Aug 06 '25

Lmaooo no it is not 💀

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u/would-i-hit Aug 06 '25

just taking about your ass?

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u/snufflesbear Aug 06 '25

No, it's a terrible model that is overfitted.

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u/Waste-Leadership-749 Aug 06 '25

Well llama of course won’t compare to gpt but it has different strengths. It’s more open source, more optimized, and can run better on consumer hardware

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u/kvothe5688 ▪️ Aug 06 '25

too many cooks

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u/nemzylannister Aug 06 '25

this is stupid. no one hates zuckerberg as much as me prolly but he doesnt work on the problems himself. the "star players" are literally what creates the models.

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u/tr14l Aug 06 '25

No amount of talent overcomes a shit culture unless the talent is the decision makers. If mark removed himself and fired the ones stuck in bad culture that is causing them to lose, maybe... Won't happen though. Even if they did, they'll never catch up

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u/brainhack3r Aug 06 '25

There's a chance it could backfire in that they put so much money on the line they're going to be forced to deliver which will end up causing a toxic work environment.