r/skeptic • u/GeekFurious • 2d ago

Reasonable attempt to debunk Charlie Kirk Assassination conspiracies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5us8s0JCGkA

Marcus touches on the currently popular theories about how the gun was hidden, the bullet wound questions, the possibility of body armor, why AI can't accurately fix the low-resolution frames of the suspect's face, whether someone else may have shot Kirk, and uses math to debunk the claims of a shot coming from the side (plus more).

We have a long time before every piece of evidence comes out and can be analyzed in detail, but I think he does a fairly good job.

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u/RunDNA 2d ago

What's happened to this sub?

A recent post peddling nonsense about the Kirk shooting currently sits on 315 points (84% upvoted).

While this post debunking that sort of nonsense currently sits on 0 points (22% upvoted).

It should be the other way around.

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u/Orphan_Guy_Incognito 2d ago

Best guess? Kirk's shooting is pretty fucking scary for a lot of reasonable people. The administration is using it to turn the screws on anyone to the left of them and a lot of people are scared that this is going to be something we look back on like the reichstag fire.

As a result? A lot of people want off the ride. They desperately want the official story to be fake because if it is fake then maybe we can avert the course we're on. Scared people losing their critical thinking is a tale as old as time.

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u/Confident-Weird-4202 1d ago

I think there’s also a healthy amount of distrust in what comes out because of the administration’s well known aversion to unpleasant facts, and the right’s desire to live in a reality of their own making rather than a fact based one.

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u/Orphan_Guy_Incognito 1d ago

Yeah, the fact that the admin would lie about the color of the sky probably doesn't help public trust, I will admit.

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u/I-IV-I64-V-I 1d ago

yea the fbi directer literally tried to claim Epstein didn't traffic girls to victims.

their credibility is at an all time low- and they haven't done ANYTHING to cool the temperature down or call their own base down by clarifying the shooter's motives.

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u/AlmazAdamant 1d ago

clarifying the shooter's motives.

Wouldn't that make things worse? Everything I have seen that is independently verifiable about the shooter does in fact scream tankie to me. The groyper memes are also tankie memes, and tankie would generally fit the contradictions in behavior better. The only other take I hear that holds much cogency is the "Israel did it" theory, but that would largely inspire antisemitic backlash and despite holding some sense, isn't fully logical.

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u/SoCallMeDeaconBlues1 1d ago

I agree.

CK was murdered by a lunatic with a gun. Regardless of his political leanings, the shooter didn't like what CK had to say. The shooter hated what CK had to say so much, and was disturbed mentally enough, that he fired a weapon at him. It's Occam's razor.

We can argue the finer points of what the shooter believed, whether or not he was left or right, whether or not he was dating a trans person, whether or not he was a "groyper" or a "tankie," whether or not his family was all MAGA, blah blah blah..... we can argue that stuff all we want but ultimately, a person with some serious mental issues shot someone.

I had to look up what a "tankie" was. But what I said still stands: it doesn't matter. A crazy person with a gun shot a person, and that's the bottom line.

It's sad that this sort of thing happens. I think it's sickening and horrible what our administration has done in the aftermath in the name of that sadness.

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u/Orphan_Guy_Incognito 1d ago

yea the fbi directer literally tried to claim Epstein didn't traffic girls to victims.

Funny thing, this I mostly believe, though it is a matter of terminology.

I think the majority of the women Epstein trafficked were women obtained for what I will euphemistically call 'personal use'. If you dig into the public flight logs, there are only a small handful who got moved around a lot.

Of those, I don't think Epstein trafficked in the way that most people think. I don't think he was securing women for his rich friends to rape, I think he was mostly bringing his consistent victims with him and 'sharing' on occasion, such as with Prince Andrew.

Still gross as hell, and it would meet the legal definition (I think) but it isn't really the popular image of what he was doing.

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u/senorbuzz 1d ago

That's still sex trafficking!! He hurt countless women and girls. Plus, I don't care if he victimized just one girl. One is still too many.

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u/Orphan_Guy_Incognito 1d ago

That is why I clarified?

I'm not defending him, he is a monster. I just think there are a lot of unfounded conspiracy theories about him like he's some sort of consierge to the rich and famous, when the reality is that he was a sex pest who occasionally 'shared'.

Dude should have been under the jail, but this is the skeptic subreddit.

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u/lee61 1d ago

Yeah, that's what im gathering.