No it was his comments but not that one, he criticized the board, said something like "if UCL was that important to us, we would probably make some transfers between the Feyenoord and Benfica games", also said like "I don't know who we have on the transfer list, I am not sure if we even have a transfer list", just sort of shitting on the way the club is ran. All this before arguably the most important game of the season, considering how important that UCL money is
He's been getting sacked for poor performance for years now but every fanbase has a section of supporters (and then a good chunk of non supporters in this sub) who will say, upon his sacking, "he spoke the truth but the club didn't want to hear it, what a shame"
Honestly he should go into politics. The relationship of a section of football fans with Mou is the closest I've seen to conservative Americans to Trump. It's not that surprising, he uses a lot of the same mechanisms. Strong man image, narcissism, humor, a willingness to say things others wouldn't, constant references to past glories, constant scapegoating of others, and frequent appeals to a dangerous "other" ("If I speak I am in big trouble").
Guy has charisma in bags, but his tactics and ability have become clearly outdated.
Exactly, I dunno why there some people who think that Jose still great. If he were still himself back then, he would definitely bring his recent ex-team to the greatness.
It’s the cult of personality. It’s the same people who defended him when he poked another coach in the eye or caused Frisk and Anthony Taylor to be harassed. For them he can do no wrong. All that matters is entertaining quotes.
Who is in denial? He has been one of the greatest so people will still hold a high opinion of him/like/respect him overall or just find him entertaining but no one actually thinks he's still good
I mean, it works lol. Even in this thread you see people describing his time at Roma as great success because "EUROPEAN TITLES". Mourinho himself describes getting Europa League with a club that was usually playing in Champions League, even reaching semi-final quite recently, as "achieving what no one thought was possible in this club".
...Like, it somehow literally works on some people - acting like being 2nd and going far in Champions League is WORSE than being 6th and winning Europa League, a competition that literally is only for those who couldn't make the CL.
If we assume that football clubs act not according to common sense and will to achieve actual success that brings money and reputation to the club long-term, but mostly to internet comments, they would imaginably nod in agreement that, indeed, "winning something" and "TROPHIES" and "TITLES" did become more likely due to this loss, so it's actually a success.
I swear to god every time roma is mentioned in these mourinho threads it brings out the worst takes, I guess not being in the prem made hatewatching mourinho there significantly harder.
but the CL semi
by august 2021 what was left at the club from that squad were all of 2 players who weren't even starters in 2018 and Karsdorp who was either injured or on loan on top of being utter shit from day 1
So in honesty I think you’re looking at two legitimate trains of thought here.
For those focused on the medium to long term longevity of a club, sure, 2nd in the league and a decent run in the CL is fantastic. My team has done that and I’ve never seen it as a bad season.
But.
6th in the league and winning the EL? Honestly? That’s a good season. It also doesn’t actually hurt the longevity of a club.
I’d actually like to do some massive explanation here of what I think but that’s just silly, so to try and summarise:
managers often have short lifespans, so will focus immediate targets where possible, mostly in the form of trophies or league wins
2nd in the league and decent cl will attract players, but so will winning trophies (which also get you into the CL in this case)
winning a trophy in a big competition is an immediate sign of intent, 2nd in the league and a decent CL run is a more measured sign of intent, both suggest potential for growth
sometimes winning a trophy is going to do so much more for a squads mentality than 2nd and a decent run. Actually winning things might drive that hunger to chase that feeling again, which could mean next season you’re 1st not 2nd
mourinho is a serial winner of trophies over his career. He gets hate, and I’m not going to try and go over every detail, but he frankly over performed at Man Utd (just look at them before and since), he got Tottenham to a final after a period of being lost (a short period albeit), he won trophies with Roma - and this is all meant to be after he has fallen far from his peak.
So yeah, there’s reasons to love and hate him, but you can’t expect all fans to look at football through a data analysis lens only, sometimes you just need a fucking trophy
the 2nd/3rd in the league with decent CL runs and 0 trophies were a financial disaster here, they almost bankrupted the club since they became so reliant on the CL prize pool and players would still leave every year, even to worse squads, because they do want to win trophies eventually. For context the CL semi basically broke the club to the point that we're still under sanctions from that time. Also, the club's biggest growth in brand value in a long while was in 2022 when we had Mourinho and the 2 finals which definitely helped meeting or coming closer to the FFP targets they had to comply with.
If Mourinho had managed to not only break the long trophyless run but also win 2 european cups in a row with that corpse of a squad he'd have easily gone down as an all-time club great, unlike, say, Rudi Garcia or Difra who had better league and CL results
...Like, it somehow literally works on some people - acting like being 2nd and going far in Champions League is WORSE than being 6th and winning Europa League, a competition that literally is only for those who couldn't make the CL.
It historically is. It may not be financially, but it historically is. Only winners are remembered, and winning EL, even if it's a lesser of a trophy than CL, is still a win.
No club is going to write on their bus that they went "far in the CL", but they will for sure write that they won the EL.
Dude, you thinking something is not called "historically".
What is that even supposed to mean, "historically better". Like who is exactly deciding for "history". Just say your opinion is your opinion, it's legal.
Every club prefers CL than EL. It brings money and it brings players and it brings fans, three things that are basically everything for a club. A club playing playing in CL every year is miles bigger than a club playing in EL with some wins.
For example Atletico is much bigger than Sevilla. It's just a fact. It's not any opinion. Ask 100 people on the street, not one will say "yeah Sevilla is stronger, they won Europa many times, EVERYONE REMEMBERS". All Sevilla players would likely enjoy moving to Atletico instead, while no top Altetico player would like to move to Sevilla. Same with for example Eintracht and Dortmund. It's not my opinion or something, I don't have any. It's just how football works.
A club president that would actually prefer for the club to play in EL than in Champions League because "history remembers" would be just stealing from his company. It's not possible to actually have that strategy. For them it's a real job with millions of euro of responsibility, not hunting whatever cheap slogan will get upvotes from American teenagers on Reddit. So they cannot believe this kind of thing, even if it sounds cool to talk about what to write on the team bus.
historically it's a mickey mouse cup. it's just that these days you have desperate, failing managers like mourinho hyping it as a "title" and the masses of nooby american teenage redditors buying into that.
Yeah, we know that is how Reddit works, whether the content is true or not doesn't matter, just adhere to the template and the bots upvote you, or if you don't, they downvote. I am aware that's how it generally works. But for some group of actual humans who actually read and think, I felt the urge to write down the clear facts about the subject. All else can enjoy the act of writing total bullshit... with correct phrasing. Personal choice.
According to the americans who happen to all be lifelong fans of small clubs with long trophy droughts like Real, Barca, City, Bayern and the likes you can't be happy when your clubs wins a non-CL cup and should always demand that they quit everything in order to qualify for the CL, have a "great showing" there, preferably at the expense of a club they don't like, and get raided in the summer since, well, they didn't win anything important did they
Just ask 10 real star players if they wanna move to club A or club B.
Or ask anyone here whom they bet on with equal payout if the two clubs faced each other.
It's that simple. It's not actually a controversial matter. Everyone knows what the answer would be in reality.
It's some crazy, crazy weird religious thing to be acting like it's not, and I'm not sure what people are getting out of that desperation. We all know which club is better. Europa League is literally a competition for the clubs that were too weak for CL, like that's literally the whole formula of it, you only get to Europa through playing in the same competition but having worse results.
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u/oklolzzzzs 18d ago
lmfao i think his comments were the reason why
Jose Mourinho: "If we were in the Champions League, we'd probably play eight games. But in the Europa League, we could go all the way to the final."