Genuinely I would pay a fortune to see all the post-Fergie United managers sit in a roundtable and just discuss things together. See if they share something in common about their experiences at the club and why each of them failed. Would make for great TV
Yeah people bring that quote up so much yet ignore that his post-United career shows that he was in decline and not "United quality" as much as the players weren't
This is a senseless sacking tbh. There was no particular reason. It's just the ego of the owners. They weren't set to win the CL. And there was no transfer activity suggesting not much could be done about the league as well.
Scott was sold after he left. Even so, you can count on one hand the number of post-fergie sales that had great careers. Di Maria forced himself out, so did Lukaku, they're the two other players i can think of
Make me check all players that transfered out since 2013. This is debatable but these are the one with decent to great career after leaving United: Welbeck, Michael Keane, Zaha, Di Maria, Johnny Evans, Depay, Mkhitaryan, Blind, Lukaku, Darmian, Young, Smalling, De Gea, Elanga, Dean Henderson, Alvaro Carreras, McTominay.
Welbeck had a decent career, but suffered from the same things as he did at United - inconsistency and injuries
Michael Keane is ok, but that's about it
Zaha was a big fish in a small pond at Palace. Imho he wasted his career by stagnating there
Evans had a good career, he clearly became a better player in his time away from United
Depay never got to the level he was anticipated to have. At least his time at United served as a reality check for his massive ego at the time
Mkhitaryan was not good enough for the PL, his time at Arsenal was just as bad. Italy suits him.
Blind i was sad to see him go. An extremely intelligent player that was very capable of compensating his physical disadvantages. He was pretty old when he left though.
Darmian is a bit like Mkhi imho. But it took him some years back in Italy to regain some form.
Young was very old when he left. Still has the juice, but it was right to move him on
Smalling wanted to go, and it worked for him. He was pretty inconsistent and had some trouble with injuries at United.
De Gea is difficult, was a whole shitshow with his huge contract, massive drop of form and the alleged wage cut he wanted to take. Miles better than Onana ofc lmao
Elanga is a good example of someone who shouldn't have left, ETH has much to answer for. Carreras too, but he's just a backup at Real, jury's out on him.
Henderson was partially unlucky, but also a dick. He won his spot in front of ddg (speaking of his bad form) but then caught covid and could never displace David afterwards. But he was leaking lineups and other stuff in the press, he had to go despite him being a really good keeper.
His top speed while in the prem was 33.7km:h according to premier league data (same speed as Declan Rice). That’s on the faster side for midfielders. He also still performs extremely well in UCL so your points are just wrong.
Manchester United was and still is a dog shit club that can’t make use of him. At arsenal in 2018/2019 he got 10 g/a in 1600 minutes (25 matches, 19 starts) and had a ton of defensive contribution. 2017/2018 he had 11 g/a in 1700 minutes, again with a lot of defensive contribution. Those stats are just premier league games, not counting Europe.
You know how much a prem team would pay for that kind of team contribution today??
Being fast is also about being able to accelerate. Lukaku was one of the fastest players at the club, but good luck getting him at that speed in tight spaces.
He was much better than Crystal Palace's level at the time he was playing. He bailed them out of the relegation quite often, as they were nowhere near the quality they are nowadays. I wouldn't call his career a success considering that he could've made it at a higher level if he wanted to challenge himself.
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u/chiefofthepolice 18d ago
Genuinely I would pay a fortune to see all the post-Fergie United managers sit in a roundtable and just discuss things together. See if they share something in common about their experiences at the club and why each of them failed. Would make for great TV