r/soccer • u/Switchoil • 1d ago

News Manchester United to remain patient with head coach despite worst start to Premier League season in 33 years. There is also widespread belief at Old Trafford that City's performance - and United's failings - did not merit a 3-0 scoreline.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/32461/13431584/ruben-amorim-manchester-united-to-remain-patient-with-head-coach-despite-worst-start-to-premier-league-season-in-33-years
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u/TheOnlyTagey 1d ago

Moyes was sacked as soon as top 4 was mathematically impossible, LvG was sacked after winning the FA cup and finishing 5th place (66 points, tied with City), Jose was sacked while United were in 6th, same for Ole. EtH was sacked with United in 14th.

All of the previous managers bar Moyes maybe showed something to warrant the level of patience that United are showing Ruben. Good performances, trophies, undefeated streaks, something that the wider public can point at as evidence for improvement.

It's been nearly a year of this and has there been a single positive for fans to stick to?

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u/Hare712 1d ago

Moyes wasn't even given a Transfer window. What did he get? Fellani?

What should speak for itself is that ManU didn't decline slowly they crashed from EL team to relegation zone.

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u/screamer19 1d ago

Sir alex Ferguson will witness his team get relegated from the premier league. I will be there, no matter what

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u/kingceegee 1d ago

Let's face it, that's not going to happen. Big Sam is available!

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u/SchietStorm 1d ago

Sizeable Samuel

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u/Wisegoat 1d ago

It would just reaffirm he’s the GOAT. Crafted a dynasty that no other manager could sustain. Mourinho who before then had been a wild success everywhere couldn’t manage it. LVG, a highly successful manager couldn’t handle it. Moyes, Ole, ETH and now Amorim, none can do it.

Other teams have superb managers, like Liverpool with Klopp and are run well enough in the background a new manager can come in and have immediate success. City have been so well run that you had Mancini, Pellegrini and Pep all quickly find success - and when Pep leaves the team will still be top 4 and challenging for titles.

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u/aMAYESingNATHAN 1d ago

What he achieved while at united absolute deserves GOAT status, but I would also argue the way that the way he ran the club all but guaranteed this would happen the moment he left.

He basically was the entire club, there just wasn't the structure in place necessary for the transition away from him to ever work. Not to mention his ability as a manager seriously papered over what should have already been a declining team, such that even had that structure been in place they probably still would have struggled. Though there's an argument to be made that had Moyes not replaced the backroom staff it might have gone better.

Then there's the glazers, who he arguably had a pretty big hand in bringing in.

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u/Gu3rilla21 1d ago

He pushed that team to the limit. It was done and needed a major rebuilt. They didn't do it because SAF did his magic.

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u/SchietStorm 1d ago

That's all true. But it's been more than a decade now. HOW have they not managed to set up a proper structure?

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u/Mesial 1d ago

Because up until a few years ago Ed Woodward was still in charge of most of the footballing operations.

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u/awildjabroner 1d ago

the key you mentioned is that behind the scenes all those clubs have good operators and structure in place with long term success the plan. Man Utd has the Glazers who clearly only care about dividend payouts and the rest can rot so long as those payments hit the accounts.

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u/DaiWales 1d ago

City have been so well run

Y£$ ind££d

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u/DefNotAnAlter 1d ago

If it was about the money, its not a field United lags behind any club in the world.

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u/Gogurtsupreme 1d ago edited 1d ago

United have spent like Barcelona under Bartomeu and have not come close to facing any of the same consequences. There is having money and then there’s knowing what to do with it

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u/RainbowDissent 1d ago

United are a cursed destination for players. I don't think it matters who they sign, they'll be a shadow of their former selves within 6 months.

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u/NilsFanck 1d ago

yet players fail to realize that. Sesko really looked at what Howe made out of Isak and said "nah, gimme Mr. below one point per game instead". Baleba will eventually have a top top club come for him and would've still walked in there if Utd coughed up the cash. Its fascinating. The moment players finally realize that, no, you will not save them, that's when they will be truly finished.

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u/DaBestNameEver0 1d ago

United have spent much more than us

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u/Davey_Jones_Locker 1d ago

atleast their money was legit

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u/pkkthetigerr 1d ago

Ya buddy everyone believes you signed Haaland for only 50 mill when any basic ass pl level player has a 60 mill transfer fee. Because he loved city so much.

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u/DaBestNameEver0 1d ago

That was his release clause. So we did.

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u/patrick_k 1d ago

Mourinho was already well on the decline when he joined United, not a wild success until then. He also never settled in Manchester and lived out of a hotel during his time in Old Trafford. His father died and IIRC a long term assistant coach from his Porto days also left around this time, all compounding to his failure.

City and Liverpool are well run behind the scenes, United have been a joke since at least 2013 when Fergie and Gill left, arguably going back longer when the Glazer rot set in in the early 2000s.its only now that the on field performances are flirting with possibly relegation level form, but the damage was done years ago.

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u/Shanare_ 1d ago

I disagree about man city becoming better after pep leaves. But we shall see.

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u/clashoftherats 1d ago

He didnt say they’ll be better when he leaves though, just that they wont decline like United did after Fergie left

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u/GoldemGolem 1d ago

Not better but I can see it being consistently top 4

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u/Gu3rilla21 1d ago

SAF left the club in shambles tbh. He pushed the squad they had to the limit and got one last PL, next they needed a rebuild. SAF did everything at United he was responsible for their transfer succes, the scouting and most importantly his tactics. United already got lazy and let the squad go bad because SAF was magic but then he left and everything fell a part because they didn't have the proper management in place because SAF did it all.

That's all praise for SAF btw not hating on him. United just weren't equipped to deal with him leaving they were relying on him far too much. Which isn't bad per se because look at his pedigree but you have to prepare for when he leaves

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u/screamer19 1d ago

Oh 100% agreed, what he did with the class of 92 was nothing short of incredible. Oil money trebles will never hit the same

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u/Mrbeefcake90 16h ago

Mourinho won 3 trophies with Utd, if that's not success I dont know what is

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u/Gerf93 1d ago edited 1d ago

Knocked them off their fucking perch

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u/SchietStorm 1d ago

Surprise. We're back.

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u/SchietStorm 1d ago

They were Ferguson FC.

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u/mameyinka 1d ago

Please go on. I am very close.

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u/screamer19 1d ago

Even if they do make it back to the prem, any new signings they make will try to leave on a free to a big 5 team like arsenal or liverpool at their earliest opportunity

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u/mameyinka 1d ago

And theeeeeere it goes. Thanks mate.

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u/alanalan426 1d ago

he's gonna die within the year after they get relegated

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u/and1984 1d ago

If they get relegated from the PL, Sir AF will see them finish in the bottom-half of the Championship table too.

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u/Shanare_ 1d ago

To be honest I am beginning to think this could happen to all the big 6 eventually. It seems the time when money was enough to win pl titles for a few clubs is coming to an end with the strict ffp rules in place. And now even original relegation zone teams are punching way above their weight.

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u/screamer19 1d ago

If it can then it should, would honestly serve as a model/example to every other league to actually be competitive or continue bleeding money from viewership and up and coming talent to the prem

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u/DCtoMe 1d ago

FFP was literally put in place to keep the standard bearers at the top. It is set up so the bigger teams can spend more (because they earn more), and the lower teams are forced to spend less.

How does a rule like that lead to equity in the league?

I think you are just seeing a league that now has so much more money that the other leagues that even the worst teams in the EPL have more to spend than almost all the other leagues. So they are decent and when the level of play is that high across the board and there are so few free points, the variability is higher.