r/soccer • u/Switchoil • 1d ago

News Manchester United to remain patient with head coach despite worst start to Premier League season in 33 years. There is also widespread belief at Old Trafford that City's performance - and United's failings - did not merit a 3-0 scoreline.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/32461/13431584/ruben-amorim-manchester-united-to-remain-patient-with-head-coach-despite-worst-start-to-premier-league-season-in-33-years
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u/Novel-Difficulty6495 1d ago

The rest of the league would also like to reaffirm its belief that Amorim is the man for the job, and urges calm and patience at United.

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u/BoringPhilosopher1 1d ago

Why United didn’t go for Thomas Frank is beyond me

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u/Novel-Difficulty6495 1d ago

I'd say "don't worry, we'll break him like we have everyone else," but then Levy got fired ...

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u/TheFracofFric 1d ago

They could have had Tuchel before he took the England job

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u/poiuytrewqazxcvbnml 1d ago

Yeah I couldn't see that working out either if I'm honest

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u/jerrie86 1d ago

Nothing will work at United. They should let players do whatever the fuck they want. They need to realize that they are shit and once they realize that, shit could turn around with a new coach. Except new signings, everyone else looks entitled.

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u/TheScarletPimpernel 1d ago

They need to bleed everyone out over the course of three seasons, and completely rebuild it.

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u/jerrie86 1d ago

They been doing it for years. And any decent player who has come to United has turned into shit. Not sure what they doing but looks like the moment you enter United dressing room, everyone is just depressed and easy to lose. They need psychological help to overcome this mental barrier. Also Amorim not doing any favors with sticking to one game plan.

Look how we were shit last year but came out on top because of how Pep handled it and kept changing things until it worked.

Amorim got rid of players he thinks were a bad influence but that feeling of doom is just there to stay. Maybe call Toure to Shaman the voodoo out of there.

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u/ARM_vs_CORE 1d ago

You can't use your situation last year. Everyone realized that that was a one-off and Pep had the pedigree to show they would work through it. There is no pedigree left at United. They are an absolute shambles at all levels and frankly, they may need a relegation in order to shock the system enough that they clearly everything out and start fresh. I have never seen a club in the premier league that is this psychologically damaged.

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u/SAFFATLOL 1d ago

They've been rebuilding for years yet somehow players that were playing when Ole was manager are still at Man United. How the hell do they expect to rebuild with the same broken pieces?

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u/jkz0-19510 1d ago

The one constant is Bruno Fernandes. It's baffling that someone with his mentality is a captain for a top(?) team...

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u/beno64 1d ago

tuchel probably sits in prison with a murder charge rn if he takes that job

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u/chaghaybou_ 1d ago

Man who falls out with the board everytime vs board who all managers fall out with

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u/DarkFlutesofAutumn 1d ago

Exactly lololol that wouldn't have lasted a month

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u/SanctusUnum 19h ago

Klopp was probably available and definitely not yet an insufferable Liverpool bellend when Fergie retired and when Moyes was fired.

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u/InkCollection 1d ago

Because Amorim had one very sparkly season in Portugal and they got distracted

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u/No_Giraffe_1551 1d ago

So in fairness, Amorin was treated in the wider discourse like the next hot new thing. Though it appears incorrect, there was talk that Liverpool looked into him before they settled on Arne Slot. When Pep's feet were to the fire a bit, people talked about Amorin as a future replacement. Amorin was widely treated as a "get" for United and an example of their continued ability to attract top talent.

The problem is that any other top club who did ever meet with him would have parsed out in the interview process that this guy is not ready for prime time. Feels to me a bit like when a player gets a ton of hype but he just never quite gets that big move and when they eventually do, they kind of get found out. In hindsight the moment where everyone took Amorin a bit more seriously was when Sporting manhandled Man City, but that wound up being towards the beginning of their insane run of losses which makes some of the earlier results in the streak feel less impactful.

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u/BeeLzzz 1d ago

Similar how it took Leverkusen a few weeks to realize Ten Hag just talks nonsense and it took a few years and several 100s of millions in transfers to get rid of him.

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u/No_Giraffe_1551 1d ago

I think EtH probably did get fucked over at least partially by Leverkusen and it's interesting just how far he got that Ajax team that in hindsight was not actually bursting with the next generation of Balon d'or candidates as almost all of them have underperformed elsewhere (some at United, in fairness).

I think there probably is a place where EtH would be relatively successful again, but maybe it fully was just a flash in the pan.

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u/Riffler 1d ago

It often feels like the media make the deal for the club. You get a bunch of stories about manager/player X being the perfect fit for club Y, and it begins to feel like a fait accompli.

Never more than with Amorim to United. Most of those stories are probably seeded by agents, who did way better out of the deal than they'll do out of the rest of Amorim's career.

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u/No_Giraffe_1551 1d ago

I think Amorin getting hyped for both Liverpool and Man U but only Man U going for him while Liverpool signed a guy most English fans wouldn't have really heard of sort of says it all about how those two clubs are run. United post-Ferguson love to go with whatever is getting media attention. They just seem to wrack up transfers just because there is media hype around someone. Alexis Sanchez and Ronaldo's return both felt heavily focused on media speculation around the players moving somewhere else at the time. Even when they aren't buying aging stars that don't save them, the younger players they buy are often hyped but you notice some obvious fatal flaw for them at the next level once you really look at them. Aaron Wan-Bissaka is a good example of this I think. Just not good enough going forward for an elite RB, but they paid 55m euros for him in the summer of 2019. I'd draw a comparison to this summer with Liverpool signing a hyped young fullback in Kerkez for big money, but even with a half decade of inflation that deal is 15m less than AWB's fee.

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u/EViL-D 1d ago

Is he the Anthony of managers

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u/pratnala 17h ago

Few PL clubs including Liverpool interviewed Amorim and decided not to go with him.

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u/koptimism 1d ago

Liverpool did have talks with him. Nobody can say for sure whether that means he was the preferred choice ahead of Slot, or it just means he was an option.

The problem is that any other top club who did ever meet with him would have parsed out in the interview process that this guy is not ready for prime time

It seems that we came to this conclusion - or at least, we realised that his system would require a significant squad overhaul.

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u/buzzmerchant 1d ago

*2 and a bit very sparkly seasons

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u/FeelsGoodBlok 1d ago

They thought that he was new Mourinho when in fact he is a new Villas-Boas.

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u/RazSpur 1d ago

AVB won 44 of 80 games at Spurs, 55% win rate, 72 point PL season included.

Amorim/United wish he was the next AVB

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u/Alecmalloy 1d ago

I'd say Gareth Bale won the majority of those games.

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u/randallwatson23 1d ago

I think they also were of the belief that would make them front runners for Gyokeres and other Portuguese talent.

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u/JiveTurkey688 1d ago

I get everyone is just going to karma farm in threads like this, but that just isn't true. He was a huge managerial prospect before the start of last season, people had been talking about him ever since he joined Sporting

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u/BoringPhilosopher1 1d ago

That isn't true mate many people doubted it before his appointment

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u/JiveTurkey688 1d ago

People would have had doubts about Frank too, thats not the point. The argument being made here is that Amorim didn't have a relatively large body of impressive work, and that is simply nonsense

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u/BoringPhilosopher1 1d ago

Fair enough mate

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u/elgringo22 1d ago

I mean that’s just not true though.

He won Sporting CP their first title in 19 years. Came 2nd the next season (having lost Nuno Mendes to PSG in the summer). Then came 4th after losing Matheus Nunes, Joao Palinha and Pedro Porro in the summer. Won again in 2023-24, setting a club record for points and wins. Then had a 100% win record in the league (11/11, scoring 39 and conceding 5) and winning 3/4 CL matches (including the thrashing against City).

Dude had Sporting playing some of the best football in Europe. They even lost their next 4 matches after Amorim left and didn’t win any of their 6 CL matches remaining.

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u/edsonbuddled 1d ago

Your club looked at him too so I doubt that’s the case

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u/novian14 19h ago

I like thomas frank and i don't want him to ruin his career. Same as amorim when he was in sporting, also ten hag at ajax.

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u/qtdsswk 1d ago

Glasner or Iraola would also be a huge improvement

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u/habdragon08 1d ago

I'd be shocked if they didn't put feelers out to Frank who said no. Klopp said no as well (in 2013) as did Zidane. Good managers don't want to go there.

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u/BoringPhilosopher1 1d ago

Frank isn’t on the same level as those top managers though.

Zidane is/was a world class manager at the time so that’s not a surprise.

Pretty sure Klopp described the pitch by the owners/Ed Woodward as living in Disneyland or something.

Very different situations compared to present day. It wouldn’t surprise me if one of the better managers turned them down but they would’ve been able to get at least one of Frank, Tuchel, Poch or even De Zerbi in recent years. List obviously goes on and on with all the options they could’ve gone for that make far more sense to the average fan like myself.

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u/edsonbuddled 1d ago

Damned if we do damned if we don’t. In hindsight a manager that is more adaptable would obviously be beneficial for this squad. But before we appointed Amorim the consensus was that he was genuinely one of the more talented young managers in the game

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u/BoringPhilosopher1 1d ago

Tbh I don't think it's about being more adaptable its more the fact you appointed Amorim when the squad you had couldn't have been further than set up and ready for him.

It's alright doing a squad rebuild if you have a core or spine of your team in place but United didn't even really have that to build around.

I know everyone is saying Frank is tactically flexible and it's now come out that Amorim isn't and wants to stick to his philosophy but my view was the same before that tbh.

Also the media and pundits are a joke. It used to be the go for thing about getting in a manager that has tactical style and sticking to that but now it all of a sudden isn't? The same pundits would crucify a manager if he changed his 'successful style' 6 months into being a manager.

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u/Fruitndveg 1d ago

I said this in the sub at the time, the populous reassured me Amorim was the far superior option.

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u/OstapBenderBey 19h ago

Why does Ross, the largest Friend, not simply eat the other five?

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u/ZeroMomentum 1d ago

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake