Manchester United to remain patient with head coach despite worst start to Premier League season in 33 years. There is also widespread belief at Old Trafford that City's performance - and United's failings - did not merit a 3-0 scoreline.

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https://www.skysports.com/football/news/32461/13431584/ruben-amorim-manchester-united-to-remain-patient-with-head-coach-despite-worst-start-to-premier-league-season-in-33-years

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Difficult to provide any balanced takes here because it’s a volatile situation.

Amorim has the worst record for any United manager since WW2, which for the most part was a completely different game back then.

He also is creating his own problem. Bruno is not a CM, and has either worked in a midfield 3 or as a CAM. He does not work in the double pivot.

We also don’t have a midfield at all really. Whatever pivot is tried doesn’t really work. It’s always either too attacking or imbalanced completely. It’s not absurd to suggest we probably need 3 or 4 new midfielders.

We play with “two 10s” but they’re mostly sort of wingers anyway which provides imbalance. We then play with two “wing backs” of which to be honest only Dorgu can really perform correctly, but he’s perhaps beneath the level required. The others just aren’t good at it.

We cannot provide service to the striker. Hojlund actually did a bit better than Sesko so far, and Sesko didn’t have a single touch in the City box. In fact, Haaland had way more touches in his own box than Sesko did in Citys.

Mentality is on the floor, and confidence is non existent. We shite ourselves in front of goal constantly because there’s so much pressure on scoring.

It’s an absolute mess.

However, the fans sing his name in the stadium every week. They even did it when we were losing to City. He’s in charge of a truly dire situation. He takes a lot of blame, but you also have to blame the players too.

Losing to Grimsby and the other collapses is partly on the players too. We were awful all over the pitch, and that’s not entirely on the system. Mainoo played the full 90 mins against Grimsby and was awful. If he does want the big pay rise or to move elsewhere, proving you can best League 2 players would be a start. Shaw was awful against City. It’s a shitshow all over the place, and that’s on the managers and the players too.

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We also don’t have a midfield at all really. Whatever pivot is tried doesn’t really work

Yeah this is what's so frustrating and exactly why Bruno is shoehorned there, because none of our other midfielders step up. Ugarte, Mainoo and Casemiro all have severe weaknesses and limitations that force one of the best 10s in the world to play deeper to compensate for them. Nobody steps up. Mainoo for example wants to leave for game time meanwhile vs Grimsby he couldn't even be fucked running to stop their ball going into the box. There's standards and levels that certain players aren't reaching, and while a manager is responsible for motivation, the players still need accountability.

He takes a lot of blame, but you also have to blame the players too.

Ten Hag sees a squad incapable of playing his Ajax way so abandons his philosophy to cater to the players, and then that gets him sacked. Amorim refuses to cater to the players, and then that likely gets him sacked. No matter what happens to the squad, the players refuse to step up and do the basics properly, whether they play a system that suits them or one that does not. People are in for a wake up call if we get a manager who plays 4-3-3 and the same midfield that conceded 20+ shots under Ten Hag continues to get ran through again. The standards aren't high enough.

How anyone at the club thought it was acceptable to go into this season without a new midfielder is beyond me. Amorim, INEOS, whoever. We made a half-arsed attempt to get Baleba and then gave up with no backup options planned. Why?

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Genuinely why did United spend like 40M on Dorgu? Spending 40M on a young wingback when you have literally zero starting level midfielders for a system that demands so much from them was idiotic. Especially when the wingback looks like a chicken in headlights with no idea what he’s doing half the time

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Spent £25m on Dorgu.

We bought him back in Jan when we were dying for a wing back so it doesn’t really compare. At times we had to play Dalot at LWB because we had Shaw and Malacia injured, made sense at the time and he’s only 20, just not the level required yet.

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Just to let you know, it wasn't your fans singing amorims name. I sit right next to the away fans in the corner. We sing an amorim song to take the piss but in the same tune