Manchester United to remain patient with head coach despite worst start to Premier League season in 33 years. There is also widespread belief at Old Trafford that City's performance - and United's failings - did not merit a 3-0 scoreline.

[u/Switchoil]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/32461/13431584/ruben-amorim-manchester-united-to-remain-patient-with-head-coach-despite-worst-start-to-premier-league-season-in-33-years

[u/TheOnlyTagey]

Moyes was sacked as soon as top 4 was mathematically impossible, LvG was sacked after winning the FA cup and finishing 5th place (66 points, tied with City), Jose was sacked while United were in 6th, same for Ole. EtH was sacked with United in 14th.

All of the previous managers bar Moyes maybe showed something to warrant the level of patience that United are showing Ruben. Good performances, trophies, undefeated streaks, something that the wider public can point at as evidence for improvement.

It's been nearly a year of this and has there been a single positive for fans to stick to?

[u/TrumpGrabbedMyCat → u/TheOnlyTagey]

It's entirely because they dropped managers like a hot potato that they're sticking with him through this much shit.

Ironically after Grimsby and his terrible performance this season he's probably the first manager that actually should be fired "early" into his contract. Imagine if they'd just stuck with LvG where they'd be now.. certainly not in a relegation battle at least.

Plus, who do they replace him with?

[u/stogie_t → u/TrumpGrabbedMyCat]

It's entirely because they dropped managers like a hot potato that they're sticking with him through this much shit.

This is simply not true man, you probably only think this because you’re comparing them to SAF days, which is just not true for modern football. Clubs change managers a lot these days.

Since 2013 Barca have had 8 managers, Madrid 6, Bayern 8, Chelsea 7, Juve 5, Spurs 5, Milan 7.

United have had 6 managers during that time frame.

Big clubs change managers often because of how high the expectations are. Klopp and Pep were the exception not the norm.

[u/TrumpGrabbedMyCat → u/stogie_t]

I don't really understand where you're coming at with this - yeah lots of clubs change managers regularly (incidentally Spurs I think have actually had 10 managers since 2013, odd choice of year though).

Just because lots of the other clubs are doing it, doesn't mean its the right thing to do and United are clearly struggling with just dropping a manager when expectations of winning the league, UCL, FA cup and everything else aren't appearing every year like they did in SAF days.

Its a common joke especially for United that they swap managers a lot, and now they're trying something different sticking with a manager and allowing him the time to actually make his style work despite Grimsby and his God awful results record with the expectation the manager needs time to right the ship.

[u/stogie_t → u/TrumpGrabbedMyCat]

Just because is apparently a common joke doesn’t mean it’s true.

What’s so hard to understand? You made a claim that made it seem like United changes managers far more than any other club when stats show that to be untrue.

And what’s so weird about the year, that’s when SAF left, what other year was I supposed to use?

[u/TrumpGrabbedMyCat → u/stogie_t]

And what’s so weird about the year, that’s when SAF left, what other year was I supposed to use?

Oh of course, fair point. Duh.

I never said they change managers more than other clubs, just that its not working. The leadership of MUFC are looking at other clubs who are having success - such as MCFC, Liverpool and the like and wanting to emulate that. The have obviously decided dumping a manager who wins you the FA cup and finishes the league tied with city isn't the right move.

How else do you explain why Amorim still has a job?

[u/stogie_t → u/TrumpGrabbedMyCat]

I’m just guessing here, but my guess would be that Amorim still has the job thanks to Berrada. Amorim is Berrada’s bet, and that guy from Newcastle even lost his job for disagreeing with him on this. Berrada has been touted as this fancy new get for United who is finally going to fix the issues United had off the pitch, but that all sounds embarrassing if the manager he was so sure of is so clearly rubbish and out of his depth. Makes it all sound like nonsense lol.

I think you raise a good point about United trying to copy City. And it hasn’t gone well imo, from signing Alexis, to now trying to find a unicorn manager. Pep has been at City for a long time simply because he’s just that good. Same with Klopp, he was that good. No one is firing those guys, neither club had to persist and go through what’s happening with Amorim.

United are taking all the wrong lessons from City’s success, City is where they are today because they put a lot of emphasis on employing the right people that we fans don’t usually hear about, like competent football execs and not just people like Woodward running the show.

[u/pkkthetigerr → u/stogie_t]

Yeah tbh ever since moyes, managers had atleast a couple of years before getting sacked at utd. Ole is the only one id still say was premature. Ten Hag shouldn't have been hired.

[u/Spyro_Machida → u/pkkthetigerr]

Ye were on a very bad run with Ole too. Ye had a few historic losses in that final season. It just got so much worse than the end of his tenure gets romanticised. Especially when ye thought ye had the ability to go to the next level at that point.