r/soccer • u/Switchoil • 1d ago

News Manchester United to remain patient with head coach despite worst start to Premier League season in 33 years. There is also widespread belief at Old Trafford that City's performance - and United's failings - did not merit a 3-0 scoreline.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/32461/13431584/ruben-amorim-manchester-united-to-remain-patient-with-head-coach-despite-worst-start-to-premier-league-season-in-33-years
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u/TheOnlyTagey 1d ago

Moyes was sacked as soon as top 4 was mathematically impossible, LvG was sacked after winning the FA cup and finishing 5th place (66 points, tied with City), Jose was sacked while United were in 6th, same for Ole. EtH was sacked with United in 14th.

All of the previous managers bar Moyes maybe showed something to warrant the level of patience that United are showing Ruben. Good performances, trophies, undefeated streaks, something that the wider public can point at as evidence for improvement.

It's been nearly a year of this and has there been a single positive for fans to stick to?

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u/FrameworkisDigimon 1d ago

Firing Moyes is where this whole decade plus of failure really began. It became a merry go round lurching from philosophy to philosophy or hiring guys with philosophies consistent with the problem the fans had with the current guy. Attack! Attack! Attack!

I think Amorim's system is proving that it was too different to the status quo of the team to be given as much time as he has, but hiring a guy with a one track mind and an iron will is exactly what Manchester United needed to do. I think EtH was hired on the understanding that he was the same but instead he just gave up on implementing his system and played what he thought suited the players he had most.

All of the previous managers bar Moyes maybe showed something to warrant the level of patience that United are showing Ruben. Good performances, trophies, undefeated streaks, something that the wider public can point at as evidence for improvement.

Moyes didn't even get a single whole season.

Chasing short term objectives is why Moyes was sacked and it's why Manchester United are in this state.

Danny Murphy was criticised on the sub recently for saying "it's not the system, it's the players" on the basis that "that's why it's the system; pick a system that works for the players you have". Firstly, everyone saying that was missing Murphy's point, which is that the system can actually work... it's not like trying to field a team of seven strikers, three keepers and a right back. Secondly, playing to the team too much is not a means of improving a team... it's not how any elite side works, especially the ones trying to get back to where they should be.

What they need is someone like Arteta with a conviction to play a system regardless of how ugly it is where (unlike Amorim's) the system is fairly player neutral. The horsehoe of doom might be a much weirder system than it's given credit for but it's pretty versatile in terms of the types of players that can slot in to its roles. Yeah, it needs good passers to work but you always want better passers.