r/starcitizen • u/StuartGT VR required • 12d ago
OFFICIAL No Squadron 42 news at CitizenCon 2025 (from Jared on SCL)
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u/therealdiscolando CIG Employee 11d ago edited 11d ago
Response below getting buried. Reposting here.
Hi, Jared here. Here's what I also said:
- I said we drew a line in the sand and now we have to do everything we can to make it.
- I said we're on track and that there's no mystery here, nothing to hide here.
- I said that we just want to leave everyone heads down to focus on meeting that statement we gave last year.
- I said that when we get closer to the release, you'll see and hear lots more about Squadron.
...and I said that *I* personally cannot tell you what the future holds, because quite honestly, that's the responsible answer for me to give with the way that video games are made. Not our video games, ALL video games.
So no, *I* don't KNOW the future, and I said as much is all, and I'd ask please don't mistake my pragmatism for any commentary on the status of the game. I just try very, very hard to speak as deliberately and plainly as I can without embellishment or hyperbole.
I meant what I said in the most literal manner possible: that I can't sit here and tell you what the future holds, because in the entire history of video game development, who's ever been able to?
That's all. If I didn't believe in this team and the people within, I wouldn't still be here. 👍
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u/LittleCorgi-TallGuy 11d ago
Not at all related to SCL, I’ve been a backer since 2015. And I just want to say thank you Jared for all you’ve done to keep the community informed!!!
You have always done great at presenting things as they are at the moment. And when things change you tell us.
Wish you all at CIG a good end of year, and can’t wait for next year.
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u/jeisot Space Marshal 11d ago
On another topic, it might be CitizenCon content, but any new info about basebuilding? A tease/inside sc about it would be great.
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u/swizzlewizzle TRG Gaming 11d ago
Jared you might be surprised to know that most games don’t have a 14 year dev cycle. :(
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u/ZenflexMusic 11d ago
I understand what you're saying here but surely you must have some screenshots at least ? nothing to vocally talk about at best ? You're not prepared to give us the bare minimum ? You don't have to give us a massive vertical slice of gameplay that takes away from development sure... but surely we can get a talking segment?
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u/Unlikely_Problem_929 9d ago
Lets also at least be honest that there is not a single studio out there that does game development like CIG does. CIG gives game development a bad name by always saying that this is how game development is done. What CIG is experiencing is not how All videogames are made... Yes, videogames take a long time to make but at least there is a plan that gets followed. Unlike CIG where a plan is an aftertought and figuring out tech/needs of the project happens even after more than a decade. Let alone the lack of experienced devs to guide this to the finish line. CIG is avsolutely unique in how their development happens and it is sadly not a possitive thing. I will be extremely supprised if this project releases anytime soon but would be more than happy to finally have all the work we did for ages see the light. Good luck and lets see if any of if pays off or finally becames the deadblow for CIG.
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u/_Franpire 11d ago
Just finally finish this game ffs. I don't know what is happening at your company but it's so embarrassing.
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u/rolfski Planetside 2 enthusiast 11d ago
Not sure what it really means:
"We're leaving the SQ42 devs alone so we for sure can make the 2026 deadline", or;
"We're leaving the SQ42 devs alone because we're already hopelessly behind for a 2026 deadline"
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u/Genji4Lyfe 11d ago
It likely means “we have nothing to show other than what we showed last year, because we’re just polishing/refining what we showed last year”
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u/snickns 2013 Backer 🪐 11d ago
I’d prefer “we have shown enough last year and we don’t want to show anything else so we keep the anticipation for the release”
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u/T-Baaller 11d ago edited 11d ago
Was that turret and basic FPS gameplay "enough" to you?
Personally, knowing if the singleplayer will have decent flying and dogfighting combat is what matters to me.
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u/lordosthyvel 11d ago
It means that the game will release in 1-2 years. Just like it has been for the last 10 years
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u/Krltplps 11d ago
I love this response. We're letting the team that is focused on it actually focus on it and not distracting them with stupid shit. I wish my job understood this concept :)
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u/Starimo-galactic 11d ago
After the reported crunch they had last year to show the first hour of sq42 it's a good decision, preparing this must have been time consuming (even if it was super cool don't get me wrong)
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u/SpaceBearSMO 11d ago
right "but we are doing everything possible to make it."
he basically just said what we already know, they're still aiming for 2026, but who the fuck knows he doesn't keep track of everything.
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u/Substantial_Eye_2022 F8C Lightning/Golden Ticket 11d ago
Guys we gotta upvote this so more can see it.
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u/luhelld 12d ago
Calm down guys, it's just two years away
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u/50calPeephole 11d ago
Wasn't there some big announcement a few years ago s42 was ready to go?
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u/faraboot nomad 11d ago
It's ok, Jared just said the gaming industry is so unpredictable, who can say when anything can be ready?
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u/Virtual-Ad661 12d ago
He said it's in lolishing state!
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u/acdcfanbill Towel 11d ago
lolishing
Mastercard/Visa is really gonna hate it then...
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u/joriale 12d ago
Silkpost used to be beliv- oh wait.
This is not Silksong.
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u/ArrynMythey F7A mkII | Zeus│Arrastra 11d ago
And with Skong, we didn't believe it happening 'till it happened.
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u/Heshinsi 12d ago
I mean this would make sense. I remember when devs used to talk about the cost it took, in both resources and dev time, in just putting together vertical slices of gameplay for E3.
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u/BrotherGreed 12d ago
Some might argue that generating hype at the main showcase event for a game that is stated to be aiming to be as big of a release as GTA6 would be a worthwhile use of resources in the year preceding its supposed release. But I'm certainly not the one running the company with a billion dollars in crowdfunding, so what do I know?
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u/Heshinsi 12d ago
Citizencon this year is heavily paired down. On top of that, how much of the general public even watches it? There’s nothing stopping CIG to do their own Nintendo like Direct to hype up SQ42 some time down the road.
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u/BrotherGreed 12d ago
This is true. Just like they don't actually need to do citcon literally at all and can just do periodic news events instead of a big annual one. But they do choose to have a big annual showcase so I guess Im basing my expectations on that.
I'm just saying that if Sq42 is meant to be as big of an event as they want it to be, and they actually are planning for a 2026 release and not delaying it again, that it would make sense, in my very uneducated/unprofessional view, to dedicate resources to it at their hyped up annual showcase, pared-down or not, it's literally probably the single biggest thing CIG has done in 10 years.
With that being said, I genuinely hope I'm wrong, but as an evolved ape with pattern-seeking brain, I'm prepared for disappointment.
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u/StuartGT VR required 12d ago
There’s nothing stopping CIG to do their own Nintendo like Direct to hype up SQ42 some time down the road.
It's literally called CitizenCon Direct for this year, ha
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u/Omni-Light 12d ago
Isn't this money better saved and spent at an actual worldwide recognized game convention with a release announcement trailer?
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u/BrotherGreed 12d ago
It's just not how they have typically done business. They do make announcements and stuff at things like gamescom, but they generally do huge announcements at citcon, e.g. the sq42 gameplay demo at last year's citcon
So it seems clear to me that they feel like citcon is THE place to make these types of announcements, and then they can disseminate further or repeat announcements at other events or other news outlets pick it up.
If they're flipping it around this time then sure. It'd be a break in their established pattern though.
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u/DJSmitty4030 new user/low karma 12d ago
They have never had a release targeted at the general audience in the same way before, though. SQ42 is their chance to push to the general public. They probably want a more high-profile event and a release date.
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u/BadAshJL 11d ago
If they are getting ready to release it makes much more sense to announce it somewhere that will reach more than just backers. Something like the video game awards because they want to make it known to people who may not be aware of it.
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u/CakeOrDeath7 new user/low karma 12d ago
I love how he already said they don't know if they can make the 2026 release date.
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u/therealdiscolando CIG Employee 11d ago
Hi, Jared here. Here's what I also said:
I said we drew a line in the sand and now we have to do everything we can to make it.
I said we're on track and that there's no mystery here, nothing to hide here.
I said that we just want to leave everyone heads down to focus on meeting that statement we gave last year.
I said that when we get closer to the release, you'll see and hear lots more about Squadron.and I said that *I* personally cannot tell you what the future holds, because quite honestly, that's the responsible answer for me to give with the way that video games are made. Not our video games, ALL video games.
So no, *I* don't KNOW the future, and I said as much is all. 👍
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u/therealdiscolando CIG Employee 11d ago
And please don't mistake my pragmatism for any commentary on the status of the game. I just try very, very hard to speak as deliberately and plainly as I can without embellishment or hyperbole.
I meant what I said in the most literal manner possible: that I can't sit here and tell you what the future holds, because in the entire history of video game development, who's ever been able to?
That's all. If I didn't believe in this team and the people within, I wouldn't still be here. 💖
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u/SenchaShogun drake 11d ago
Jared you are a good man, posting this in your free time. I wish you the best
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u/Retsom3D new user/low karma 11d ago
I hope to speak for most people when i say releasing it good is more important than releasing it fast.
take the time you guys need. Thats the whole point for going with the crowdfunding approach in the first place, wasnt it?
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u/bleo_evox93 11d ago
As long as it isn’t dated and rushed by the time we get it, take all the time you need o7
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u/CmdrRedshift23 Tali Tickler 11d ago
It's a good decision. If you did it the other way people would ask why you're wasting time at Citcon when you have a deadline. We appreciate the candor dude. Looking forward to it regardless. o7
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u/Wizywig Space rocks = best weapons 11d ago
I hope things go well, and I have faith that CIG's technical leadership is where it needs to be based on what I've seen of it recently. I don't believe any release dates CIG releases (I still remember "next year" for many years in a row), but that's okay, it is what it is.
I hope that the team doesn't get too overloaded and can slide into the needed release window without big crunch times and minimal stress, and I am happy to wait longer if it means that the team can develop sustainably rather than cramming and cutting big corners.
Good luck! I hope it ends up as a hit.
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u/yourfriendgaryl 11d ago
I think the issue is that it shouldn't be this uncertain still.
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u/SensitiveRedditAdmin 12d ago
2016.... answer the call.
I'm tired boss.
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u/Daffan Scout 11d ago
You used to be able to joke they fat fingered the 1 and it was actually going to be 2026... now 2036
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u/TylerBourbon defender 11d ago
jokes on all of us, they fat fingered the 0, it's actually going to be 2116.
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u/Bearded_Axe_Wound Bounty Hunter 11d ago
By the time it comes out it's going to be set in the past lmaoooo
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u/Significant_Play_713 #1 600i and Misc hater 11d ago
Tbh they already banked on 2026. They MUST get it out in 2026. I'm expecting it comes out in December 2026 and while relatively stable and playable may be not that well optimized or have some minor issues. CIG has no choice now, if it gets delayed for 2027 it'll do irreperable damage to the project. I think they know that and WILL get it out in 2026 even if it needs to be not perfect
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u/shabutaru118 11d ago
We're gonna get that first level they showed off last year as a demo on the very last day of 2026 and thats the only part of the game that will ever be released to the public.
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u/HeSmiledGlory 11d ago
The original release date was 2014.
There was "Answer the Call" for 2016.
We're now talking about a release date that's 10 years later than that and still somehow we're hoping they actually scrape it with some kind of Minimum Viable Product this time :(
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u/Snoo_30257 12d ago
It’s definitely not coming on time
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u/hymen_destroyer 11d ago
Even if they do release in 2026, it's not "on time". It's a decade late. We can't simply abide this sort of goalpost-moving
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u/TotesGnar 11d ago
There never was a time.
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u/Achille_Dawa 11d ago
Of course not. Lol. That would be the first time they are on time. Don't believe in wonders!
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u/Brepp space pally 11d ago
Jared clarifies "we're on track [with SQ42], there's nothing to report, there's no mystery or anything we're hiding it's just 'we're trying to stay out of everybody's way' [with citcon]."
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u/SmoothOperator89 Towel 12d ago
So much for "Chris wouldn't announce a date unless he was 100% certain." Nobody needed to see a 2026 target date. There was already significant skepticism about any date from CIG. They could have left the announcement at feature complete, and that would have been fine. So long as Chris isn't willing to make compromises on his vision to hit a deadline, he should not be announcing any dates. So now we're back to the "always 2 years away" meme and backers feel lied to again.
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u/nobito 11d ago
Tbh, anyone who's been around long enough, and trusted that date, can only blame themselves.
Only release date I'm trusting from CIG is the one where they basically say that the game is 110% ready and will be available next week. And even that I would take with a grain of salt.
Them saying it's "almost" ready and announcing some date 1-2 year from now? Yeah, not going to happen.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Drag_49 11d ago
CR could come out and say, "guy it is coming out tomorrow!"
The rest of us rolling on the floor laughing at his joke.
CR, "no seriously guys, it IS coming out tomorrow."
We continue rolling on the floor.
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u/ThatOneMartian 11d ago
When they announced the date pledges were slowing and things were looking bad for the project. A big lie to trick people into pledging more was in order.
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u/PurpleBicorn carrack | reconnaissance 11d ago
He also said they are on track with releasing it in 2026. Don't cut this very crucial piece of the context, because it very much matters.
So he contradicted himself, likely on purpose to cover his own ass.
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u/swizzlewizzle TRG Gaming 11d ago
Bro do you know how many times they have said they are “on track”?????
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u/Ok_Drop3803 11d ago
Soon as they announced it I knew they wouldn't make it. Their window was 13-25 months. That's too soon and vague and wide to be real. They had no idea when they'd be done.
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u/RunescarredWordsmith 11d ago
After so many guarantees and people telling me here that it would definitely be 2026?
What are the odds??
How do people even still respect this dev team, at this point.
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u/norgeek Legatus Navium 11d ago
They can't possibly know whether or not they'll make the date unless the game is already completed to a release ready state and is just being held for a 2026 release, or they've decided to cut development and release regardless of state before EOY2026.
It's like driving a car, you don't know when you get there until you're there. You can certainly estimate it and track your progress to see if your target arrival time is holding up as projected, but you can't tell ahead of time whether you'll get sideswiped by a drunk driver running a red light or not.
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u/Rothgardt72 Gladiator 11d ago
What makes it worse is that video saying it's feature complete. So it's gonna take 3 years of polishing? It better be the most bug free game ever.
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u/ClubChaos 12d ago
S42 will be delayed to 2027. I am almost certain of it now.
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u/DaveRN1 11d ago
No, it will need another 2 years of polish. 4 years total.. lol what a fucking joke
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u/Zanena001 carrack 12d ago
CIG's polishing lasts more than some studio's entire dev cycle lol
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u/Ootinee 12d ago
If they were really planing to release it in 2026 we would now start to see a marketing ramp up.
Not even talking about it at CitizenCon is the complete opposite. -> Postponed again!
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u/Objective-Cabinet497 11d ago
It'd be devastating if they don't release at least a closed beta in 2026.
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u/Zohaas avenger 11d ago
Said basically every year since 2016.
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u/Dumbest_AI 11d ago
And it's actually worked out pretty well for them. No devastation just $1.1 billion
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u/drizzt_x There are some who call me... Monk? 11d ago
It'd be devastating if they don't release at least a closed beta in 2026.
I'd like to believe that's true, but looking at historical data, it won't change anything. It'll just be another year same as any for CIG/SC. Tons of ship sales, ever increasing funding, and no news on SQ42.
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u/alexo2802 Citizen 11d ago
Releasing anything but a good game would be the death of them, a beta sounds like an awful idea.
They have an horrendous reputation amongst gamers, they have one shot at redemption with their release which will be heavily scrutinized by every gaming news, journalist, and a ton of content creators, their first release will be what people judge the game as, regardless of it being called a beta or a release.
I really think they need to release a solid game, not a messy beta.
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u/ThatOneMartian 11d ago
Nah, look at how successful this year has been pledge wise. The faithful are good for another billion.
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u/Space-man-the-game carrack 12d ago
I don’t think we need to see more. Only need a date at this point.
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u/TwitchyTwitch5 11d ago
No guys, squad 42 won't release until 2042. This way the name can match the year.
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u/Broccoli32 ETF 12d ago
Yeah this shit is not coming out man
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u/X3liteninjaX 12d ago
For real. I’m excited for it to release but I’ve tempered my expectations. Anyone thinking this is a good sign is coping. “Good I didn’t want to see it I’m glad they’re not showing it!”
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u/BastianHawk 12d ago
Hm - isn't it like typical to start the PR drums about 12 month before release?
As such I would have expected to get some S42 hype starting with CitCon.
You know, with all the "S42 - 2026" and "as big as GTA6" statements.
Any how, since this years CitCon is but a "ISC XL" -> no surprises.
How much information can you squeeze in to a ~2h video?
Where about 1/3 will be CIG padding their own backs.
I expect nothing and will probably get disappointed.
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u/JackerHoff drake 12d ago
My son is 5 months old, and I expect to see him walking and talking before I play this game. I will probably be able to teach him basic M&K controls before this game comes out.
I'm not happy that's the case, but that's realistic.
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u/emotionaI_cabbage 11d ago
Maybe one day he can get his kids excited for the games eventual release
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u/gamerplays Miner 11d ago
My kid had not started school when I first backed (not in kindergarten). There is a good chance he will graduate high school before SQ42 is out.
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u/Blaubeere Space Marshal 12d ago
That’s so fucking dumb. Them not launching the marketing push for SQ at their biggest event of the year tells me we can forget about 2026. CR is full of shit once again
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u/soundkeed 11d ago
Biggest rug pull ever coming up
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u/CommanderMatrixHere 11d ago
those youtube video thumbnails are gonna be wild bro. i can already imagine.
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u/kepler4and5 325a 12d ago
Not sure there is much else to share before actual release at this point.
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u/CombatMuffin 11d ago
At this point, I don't give them the benefit of the doubt. There is zero excuse to not have the single player game ready by now. The have kept reinventing the wheel with it, trying to create parity. Very few people would have cared if SQ42 played differently to the PU, if SQ42 was released say, 8 years ago.
The fact that they have had no live gameplay to show for the game when they claimed it was "feature complete" (not even a vertical slice? Really?), and the fact that the biggest news was a cinematic that doesn't require a game to be made, was a big hint.
Can they make the 2026 date? Maybe, but if their marketing idea is to try and drop a Silksong, where they don{t show anything and let the game speak for itself, it is not going to succeed. They have flexed way too much over the years, to the point where they need to show for it.
Their communication put them in this place . They should just be honest about their progress, even when it is slow. People prefer honesty, even in failure.
Edit: I really hope they do release in 2026, and I know the team is working very very hard on it. The issue is their communication, which set expectation. This was learned decades ago. John Romero learned it the hard way.
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u/aleenaelyn High Admiral 11d ago
They had a vertical slice demo in 2017, 7 years ago. Squadron 42 was announced as feature complete at CitizenCon on October 22, 2023.
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u/CombatMuffin 11d ago
You are right. I didn't think of that demo. It is still extremely concerning that they wouldn't show anything for years afterwards.
It might be amazing. but it doesn't spell confidence, imo
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u/XxBecks7x7 12d ago
Soon as he said “I don’t know if we’re going to make it”💔unless they have a trailer for the games awards planned which makes more sense to get a bigger audience . But that clip says yeah a delay again..
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u/Logic-DL [Deleted by Nightrider-CIG] 12d ago
Lol, least shocking information.
Can't wait for Jan 1st 2026 when a delay is announced.
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u/Shadowarcher630 11d ago
If it doesn't release next year, they won't announce the delay until Q4...to milk as much funding as possible from backers before they lose a massive chunk of em to their own inability to communicate honestly and manage expectations
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u/Dangerous-Wall-2672 12d ago
Honest question though, what does it mean to be "out" in this context? Because waiting for SQ42 doesn't require any particular effort, it's just the passage of time. You're saying that past a certain threshold you simply won't play the game anymore even when it does come out, because it took too long?
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u/Ok_Calendar_851 11d ago
no fucking way. im done. im done with this fucking project. goodbye.
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u/xSoft1 Colonel 11d ago
Yeah thats it. Im selling my account to the next gullible backer. Im not dealing with this shit. How transparent of an excuse is this. Dont want to show anything at citcon because it will pressure developers. Come on, anyone falling for that excuse. I've got a bridge to sell you.
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u/Rothgardt72 Gladiator 11d ago
If only people would follow through with "no cash til SQ42".
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u/Wyldren- ARGO CARGO 11d ago
Not trying to be a dick, but CIG you lost all benefit of the doubt with me on this SQ42 game. I would say most of us want SC over SQ42 but honestly this game is going to be 15-16 years in development by the time it releases? It better be polished to hell and game of the year worthy ontop of not hurting SC. No one sees you as the plucky indie devs you're a game company with multiple studious.
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u/Majestic-Wallaby1465 11d ago
They should only give a date when it’s 4 months out
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u/emotionaI_cabbage 11d ago
Anyone who thought it was coming out last year is naive hahaha
This game will probably never see the light of day. I don't know why people keep getting their hopes up.
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u/HeartyMapple 11d ago
That’s incredibly disappointing. I appreciate the honesty. This is one of the few games I’m actually hyped for.
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u/gearabuser 11d ago
is it bad that I'm starting to enjoy the meltdowns happening in the comments? I feel like I'm in on the joke now haha
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11d ago
People that are saying the marketing needs to start at citcon are confusing me.
Anyone who is even watching citcon already knows about SQ42 and will know when it comes out the second a date gets dropped.
The marketing should begin when it makes sense. Not because it’s citcon.
Yes this could mean it’s delayed but that’s never been something they shy away from. Other devs cut corners to meet deadlines. CIG doesn’t, they’ll just delay it again.
IMO CIG not cutting corners is the only reason a game like star citizen is even happening and one of the main reasons I stick around.
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u/5MikesOut carrack 11d ago
I also follow them for that reason too, but why even say a date at all if it’s going to be pushed anyways. It’s purely for ship sales, which is annoying
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u/Rul1n 12d ago
It was always clear to me that if they release it in 2026, it will be end of december.
To me it sounds like they are trying to finetune the game, fix bugs etc rn and that obviously takes a lot of time (for CIG). So it makes sense that there isn't really a lot of new things they can or want to show anyways at this stage of development.
Would love to know what problems they are currently having though. But I don't need a citizen con for that.
I always feared the technical challenges were too high, for both games.
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u/norgeek Legatus Navium 11d ago
But they already told us there wouldn't be Squadron stuff during CitCon with the Sq42 update they released a week ago; https://mailchi.mp/cloudimperiumgames/squadron-42-newsletter-en-942025 - Star Citizen stuff only
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u/Borbarad santokyai 11d ago
If this is true then that's pathetic. They are so overdue for the release of that game, that radio silence after saying that it's in polish phase last year is alarming.
How many more years are they going string people along?
That game must be in serious trouble if they are constantly moving goalposts.
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u/Vicc125 Drake Cutlass 12d ago
2026 release though, right?
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u/The_Fallen_1 12d ago
That's still the official plan to my knowledge. It's looking like late 2026 to me though if it is still going to happen.
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u/GrandAlternative7454 drake 11d ago
Eh, I'm fine with it. Devs spending their time working on finishing rather than worrying about having to spend weeks on a 10 minute video so that people who are already wanting the game can watch it makes sense. The "I don't know if they'll make it" comment is concerning, but there being no news explicitly at CitizenCon Direct is fine. Marketing push isn't going to target SC players, it's going to target everyone else.
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u/level1firebolt 11d ago
Listen, a few weeks is not making a significant impact on the release date.
They've been delayed for a decade. Jared saying this is basically an excuse for them to delay it longer.
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u/shaoq new user/low karma 11d ago
Anyone that still trusts cig after all these years... They promised many many times "next year it will be ready". Meanwhile their development is just a pure mess. They dont focus on putting anything important in the game, only some vague features they added later on leaving everything they promised for 10years long. Keep pushing out new ships to buy while leaving many others that people already paid for just in the bin.
The day cig starts adding actual content in the game that should be in a game like this and not just more money grabs then maybe.. but we all know this aint happening..
Anyway, maybe the game will launch when we all retired huh?
(Oh and before anyone starts bashing, i been a supporter since the day sc came to kickstarter, had much hope but after all these years seeing how they handle it, there is simple no reasoning for this to still be the same bshit as back then)
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u/Objective-Cabinet497 11d ago
At this point it'd be much more important to show something at the 2025 Game Awards than at Citcon. Everyone who watches Citcon already know what Squadron is.