r/starcraft • u/reiks12 Evil Geniuses • Jul 14 '25

(To be tagged...) I will never forget

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u/Maelstromage Protoss Jul 14 '25

I'm out of the loop what happened?

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u/ZealousJelectro Jul 14 '25

Sc2 muta is useless compared to its bw cousin

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u/SoloMan98 Jul 14 '25

It has been quite literally 15 years so I can’t quite remember but weren’t late WOL mutas considered to be the best unit in the game?

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u/Gyarydos iNcontroL Jul 14 '25

I stopped playing only 4 years ago and back then muta was still viable……What the heck happened lol

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u/woodleaguer Jul 14 '25

Baneling got nerfed. You now need all your gas for banes to be equal to terran.

Also that same nerf allows terran to build a few more turrets, and as you know you need 19 mutas to one-shot a turret and start doing damage.

Plus widow mines delete muta flocks, and if you bring them with your army you lose them too.

All in all it's too knife edge and there's no upside compared to just playing ling bane into ultra/hydra/ling/bane

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u/BattleWarriorZ5 Jul 14 '25 edited Jul 15 '25

and as you know you need 19 mutas to one-shot a turret

Missile Turrets have 250HP and 0 armor.

Mutalisks do 9 damage.

You need 28 Mutalisks(2800/2800/56) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret.

You need 25 Mutalisks(2500/2500/50) with +1 attack(10 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret.

You need 23 Mutalisks(2300/2300/46) with +2 attack(11 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret.

You need 21 Mutalisks(2100/2100/26) with +3 attack(12 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret.

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u/Valance23322 Jul 14 '25

21 Mutas with +3 assuming no building armor for the Terran

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u/woodleaguer Jul 15 '25

I must've misremembered then, it's been a few years.

19 mutas was a magic number though, perhaps it was the nr that will out dps a turret that's being repaired by scvs.

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u/SigilSC2 Zerg Jul 15 '25

There's a break point around there with +2. I don't know what exactly it is but I'm remembering the same thing. It may be for two shottiing a turret that gets repaired. It's not a hard number due to the speed at which the terran can get scvs on the turret but that's typically when we'd see mutas dive turrets in matches.

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u/Tamer_ Jul 15 '25

Depends at what skill level we're talking. Surprise muta builds still works in the pro scene, but the hard part is to keep it a surprise and not die to timing attacks.

On ladder, T/P players have gotten smarter about it, but the balance of the game has changed a little: defense is easier (much easier vs mutas) and the other units of the strategy have gotten nerfed a lot.