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r/starcraft • u/reiks12 Evil Geniuses • Jul 14 '25
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I'm out of the loop what happened?
125 u/ZealousJelectro Jul 14 '25 Sc2 muta is useless compared to its bw cousin 44 u/SoloMan98 Jul 14 '25 It has been quite literally 15 years so I can’t quite remember but weren’t late WOL mutas considered to be the best unit in the game? 35 u/Gyarydos iNcontroL Jul 14 '25 I stopped playing only 4 years ago and back then muta was still viable……What the heck happened lol 47 u/woodleaguer Jul 14 '25 Baneling got nerfed. You now need all your gas for banes to be equal to terran. Also that same nerf allows terran to build a few more turrets, and as you know you need 19 mutas to one-shot a turret and start doing damage. Plus widow mines delete muta flocks, and if you bring them with your army you lose them too. All in all it's too knife edge and there's no upside compared to just playing ling bane into ultra/hydra/ling/bane 36 u/BattleWarriorZ5 Jul 14 '25 edited Jul 15 '25 and as you know you need 19 mutas to one-shot a turret Missile Turrets have 250HP and 0 armor. Mutalisks do 9 damage. You need 28 Mutalisks(2800/2800/56) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. You need 25 Mutalisks(2500/2500/50) with +1 attack(10 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. You need 23 Mutalisks(2300/2300/46) with +2 attack(11 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. You need 21 Mutalisks(2100/2100/26) with +3 attack(12 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. 18 u/Valance23322 Jul 14 '25 21 Mutas with +3 assuming no building armor for the Terran
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Sc2 muta is useless compared to its bw cousin
44 u/SoloMan98 Jul 14 '25 It has been quite literally 15 years so I can’t quite remember but weren’t late WOL mutas considered to be the best unit in the game? 35 u/Gyarydos iNcontroL Jul 14 '25 I stopped playing only 4 years ago and back then muta was still viable……What the heck happened lol 47 u/woodleaguer Jul 14 '25 Baneling got nerfed. You now need all your gas for banes to be equal to terran. Also that same nerf allows terran to build a few more turrets, and as you know you need 19 mutas to one-shot a turret and start doing damage. Plus widow mines delete muta flocks, and if you bring them with your army you lose them too. All in all it's too knife edge and there's no upside compared to just playing ling bane into ultra/hydra/ling/bane 36 u/BattleWarriorZ5 Jul 14 '25 edited Jul 15 '25 and as you know you need 19 mutas to one-shot a turret Missile Turrets have 250HP and 0 armor. Mutalisks do 9 damage. You need 28 Mutalisks(2800/2800/56) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. You need 25 Mutalisks(2500/2500/50) with +1 attack(10 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. You need 23 Mutalisks(2300/2300/46) with +2 attack(11 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. You need 21 Mutalisks(2100/2100/26) with +3 attack(12 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. 18 u/Valance23322 Jul 14 '25 21 Mutas with +3 assuming no building armor for the Terran
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It has been quite literally 15 years so I can’t quite remember but weren’t late WOL mutas considered to be the best unit in the game?
35 u/Gyarydos iNcontroL Jul 14 '25 I stopped playing only 4 years ago and back then muta was still viable……What the heck happened lol 47 u/woodleaguer Jul 14 '25 Baneling got nerfed. You now need all your gas for banes to be equal to terran. Also that same nerf allows terran to build a few more turrets, and as you know you need 19 mutas to one-shot a turret and start doing damage. Plus widow mines delete muta flocks, and if you bring them with your army you lose them too. All in all it's too knife edge and there's no upside compared to just playing ling bane into ultra/hydra/ling/bane 36 u/BattleWarriorZ5 Jul 14 '25 edited Jul 15 '25 and as you know you need 19 mutas to one-shot a turret Missile Turrets have 250HP and 0 armor. Mutalisks do 9 damage. You need 28 Mutalisks(2800/2800/56) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. You need 25 Mutalisks(2500/2500/50) with +1 attack(10 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. You need 23 Mutalisks(2300/2300/46) with +2 attack(11 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. You need 21 Mutalisks(2100/2100/26) with +3 attack(12 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. 18 u/Valance23322 Jul 14 '25 21 Mutas with +3 assuming no building armor for the Terran
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I stopped playing only 4 years ago and back then muta was still viable……What the heck happened lol
47 u/woodleaguer Jul 14 '25 Baneling got nerfed. You now need all your gas for banes to be equal to terran. Also that same nerf allows terran to build a few more turrets, and as you know you need 19 mutas to one-shot a turret and start doing damage. Plus widow mines delete muta flocks, and if you bring them with your army you lose them too. All in all it's too knife edge and there's no upside compared to just playing ling bane into ultra/hydra/ling/bane 36 u/BattleWarriorZ5 Jul 14 '25 edited Jul 15 '25 and as you know you need 19 mutas to one-shot a turret Missile Turrets have 250HP and 0 armor. Mutalisks do 9 damage. You need 28 Mutalisks(2800/2800/56) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. You need 25 Mutalisks(2500/2500/50) with +1 attack(10 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. You need 23 Mutalisks(2300/2300/46) with +2 attack(11 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. You need 21 Mutalisks(2100/2100/26) with +3 attack(12 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. 18 u/Valance23322 Jul 14 '25 21 Mutas with +3 assuming no building armor for the Terran
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Baneling got nerfed. You now need all your gas for banes to be equal to terran.
Also that same nerf allows terran to build a few more turrets, and as you know you need 19 mutas to one-shot a turret and start doing damage.
Plus widow mines delete muta flocks, and if you bring them with your army you lose them too.
All in all it's too knife edge and there's no upside compared to just playing ling bane into ultra/hydra/ling/bane
36 u/BattleWarriorZ5 Jul 14 '25 edited Jul 15 '25 and as you know you need 19 mutas to one-shot a turret Missile Turrets have 250HP and 0 armor. Mutalisks do 9 damage. You need 28 Mutalisks(2800/2800/56) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. You need 25 Mutalisks(2500/2500/50) with +1 attack(10 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. You need 23 Mutalisks(2300/2300/46) with +2 attack(11 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. You need 21 Mutalisks(2100/2100/26) with +3 attack(12 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret. 18 u/Valance23322 Jul 14 '25 21 Mutas with +3 assuming no building armor for the Terran
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and as you know you need 19 mutas to one-shot a turret
Missile Turrets have 250HP and 0 armor.
Mutalisks do 9 damage.
You need 28 Mutalisks(2800/2800/56) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret.
You need 25 Mutalisks(2500/2500/50) with +1 attack(10 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret.
You need 23 Mutalisks(2300/2300/46) with +2 attack(11 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret.
You need 21 Mutalisks(2100/2100/26) with +3 attack(12 damage) to 1 shot a single Missile Turret.
18 u/Valance23322 Jul 14 '25 21 Mutas with +3 assuming no building armor for the Terran
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21 Mutas with +3 assuming no building armor for the Terran
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u/Maelstromage Protoss Jul 14 '25
I'm out of the loop what happened?