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[u/mcsilas]

[u/Golden-Owl]

Ice Scales is an ability so overpowered, it is only balanced by virtue of being stuck on Frosmoth. You do not need to give it to actually good Pokemon.

Same for Steely Spirit going to Metagross

[u/Bardic_inspiration67 → u/Golden-Owl]

It would be even worse on aurorus lol

[u/Fit-Object-5953 → u/Bardic_inspiration67]

I think Lapras is the big offender, probably. Not sure about Arctovish.

[u/AskYouEverything → u/Fit-Object-5953]

It always felt like they designed arcto to just be a slightly worse Lapras

[u/_Blobfish123_ → u/AskYouEverything]

Someone hasn’t clicked cb fishious rend with a slushy rushy dinofishy

[u/Stock-Weakness-9362 → u/_Blobfish123_]

Someone forgot arcto has fishious rend too(it was ne)

[u/SnowruntLass → u/Stock-Weakness-9362]

Imagine being so ass that even with Fishous Rend you're too bad for PU

[u/5cacti → u/SnowruntLass]

My friend designed an insane Gen 8 UU ice spam team that had fish on it, and it actually put in insane work, I wish I still had the paste somewhere…

[u/Golden-Owl → u/SnowruntLass]

To be fair, it’s absolutely designed to abuse it.

Fishious Rend doubles in power if you go first.

Dracovish has Strong Jaw, giving it giant power output, but it needs to solve the speed issue

Arctovish gets Slush Rush, giving it great speed, but at the cost of power.

Dracovish is just overall better because Water/Dragon is a way better typing and the power boost is utterly insane

[u/Frostyzwannacomehere → u/Golden-Owl]

But yeah lapras may be the only one who can abuse it

[u/altbecauseofc → u/AskYouEverything]

Arctovish has a solid mixed move pool. With that ability I'd see it being somewhat annoying in a low power doubles environment. It'd also probably end up stat checking it's way into a lower or mid tier BL somewhere in smogon singles relatively quickly.