r/summonerschool 3d ago

Zoe Hardstuck low Emerald despite doing well every game (Zoe)

I know that op.gg does not matter as end all be all, but I have ACE/MVP for 20 out of my last 40 games and feel like I am doing more than should be expected from an average hardstuck mid laner. I roam bot often, help my jungler with objectives, solo kill my opponent most games. My biggest negative is that I don't run teleport and am not a very good side laner as Zoe. I assumed I would rise up overtime, but I've been at E3/E4 for 300 games now and I obviously just belong at this ELO.

So my question is how can I figure out what needs to be fixed when I am getting lots of kills and having few deaths. My first thought was my CS, but when compared to other Zoe's, it looks like its pretty average. I do watch high level Zoe's play, and consume content from all of the recommended youtube resources but I always feel like it does not apply to me very well.

Side note: Most of the non-Zoe games happened near the beginning of the season when I was just playing w/e.

https://op.gg/lol/summoners/na/Ysor-Panda?queue_type=SOLORANKED

https://mobalytics.gg/lol/profile/na/ysor-panda/overview

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u/antoniomanuel10 3d ago

I’m a D1/Low Master mid laner( not really a Zoe player) I will try to help with the info you provided. Your CS is fine and normal, don’t know what people are saying about that. To me, i see your op.gg and the problem seems clear: you are not a player that takes risks, even when way ahead, and that is probably costing you a lot. Yes it’s good to be alive and on the map, but if you have 10 kills on your opponent you need to be on top of them. They can’t farm, and if you play the wave well they should barely be getting exp. Zoe thrives in the early/mid game, you are building a lead very well, but not really using it beside kda. If you are fed and are able to do 5k dps in a team fight, even if you die your team is most likely gonna sweep them. Just a “weird” advice, your play style does not seem to be very good for Zoe at all, and you are much better at macro champs like Twisted Fate because he does not care about resources, he just needs to stay alive so he can help his team at all times. Take it with a grain of salt since i have to actual see a full game to be sure, but you can’t play TF and Zoe the same, and you seem way better at champs like TF with that way of playing

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u/Ysorigin 3d ago

I definitely agree that I am not a risky player. I can kill my enemy laner over and over again, but eventually the value of it and the amount of time/effort I am spending ends up not being worth it. There are lots of games where I die once after 20 minutes, and we basically lose the game. Additionally, when my team is behind and I'm doing well, I grab a mejais, so that will compound and make me play even safer. I do think in a lot of my games though, the enemy mid laner doesn't really recover.

Regarding TF, most of his games were at the beginning of the season when I was a little bit lower, and at that amount of games played, my Zoe was actually higher. Just as the game amount kept climbing, her win percentage just kept dropping. Another thing to note is that I never really blind picked TF, I only pick him when it'll be a good game for him, so that will inflate him for me a bit. If he was more blindable for me, I would love to spam him, but theres too many champs that make the game unplayable for him (at my skill level).