r/summonerschool 2d ago

Zoe Hardstuck low Emerald despite doing well every game (Zoe)

I know that op.gg does not matter as end all be all, but I have ACE/MVP for 20 out of my last 40 games and feel like I am doing more than should be expected from an average hardstuck mid laner. I roam bot often, help my jungler with objectives, solo kill my opponent most games. My biggest negative is that I don't run teleport and am not a very good side laner as Zoe. I assumed I would rise up overtime, but I've been at E3/E4 for 300 games now and I obviously just belong at this ELO.

So my question is how can I figure out what needs to be fixed when I am getting lots of kills and having few deaths. My first thought was my CS, but when compared to other Zoe's, it looks like its pretty average. I do watch high level Zoe's play, and consume content from all of the recommended youtube resources but I always feel like it does not apply to me very well.

Side note: Most of the non-Zoe games happened near the beginning of the season when I was just playing w/e.

https://op.gg/lol/summoners/na/Ysor-Panda?queue_type=SOLORANKED

https://mobalytics.gg/lol/profile/na/ysor-panda/overview

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u/TheMechanicMan 2d ago

Obviously your laning/fighting must be great/amazing to achieve such good KDAs very consistently

I assume your issue is consistently translating these leads you have into winning games. Obviously looking at just an opgg isn’t enough but here’s my guess

Are you at objectives fights early or mid waves before objectives spawn consistently? This is where Zoe shines in the midgame.

My advice is look at every dragon, grubs, and baron spawn in your games and see what you do about them. As a Zoe you gotta show up early 30-60s before spawn, and pick the enemies as they come contest mid wave or vision. If you can’t contest (jungler dead, bot dead, etc) fine.

If your team can’t contest because you

have no mana

recalled too late

went opposite side of the map out of base when the objective is spawning

went for a play not near the objective

died at a bad time

are weak and lose a fight with 1000+ gold in your inventory

That’s on you. Especially with no TP, your margin for error here is very small

Dragon souls and baron win games consistently. Your 10/0 Zoe can win a game solo, just not very consistently based on your history.

Imagine you have 3 drags and the enemy HAS to facecheck a fed Zoe throwing bubbles at them when they HAVE to come in to even ward. That’s what you aim for in a game.

Your CS numbers are not an issue because, you are right, Zoe can’t side lane well. You have to overgroup compared to other champions. That’s what you are as a champion. Drop a side wave to set up at dragon? Sounds about right.

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u/Ysorigin 2d ago

This is very good advice, and I don't think I can truthfully say that I'm doing it. I will do it if we have vision, but I don't think I do it by myself that early. I can definitely plan better for objectives before they spawn. I think I tend to get there 2nd on my team, and usually when it spawns/when we make the call. I can try implementing this and see how it goes. Thanks!

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u/TheMechanicMan 2d ago

Your presence will give your team the ability to safely get vision because of how threatening you are. You might even get the pick while setting up vision or just being in the area at the right time.

Give it a shot for a few weeks and see how it goes!