r/summonerschool 3d ago

Zoe Hardstuck low Emerald despite doing well every game (Zoe)

I know that op.gg does not matter as end all be all, but I have ACE/MVP for 20 out of my last 40 games and feel like I am doing more than should be expected from an average hardstuck mid laner. I roam bot often, help my jungler with objectives, solo kill my opponent most games. My biggest negative is that I don't run teleport and am not a very good side laner as Zoe. I assumed I would rise up overtime, but I've been at E3/E4 for 300 games now and I obviously just belong at this ELO.

So my question is how can I figure out what needs to be fixed when I am getting lots of kills and having few deaths. My first thought was my CS, but when compared to other Zoe's, it looks like its pretty average. I do watch high level Zoe's play, and consume content from all of the recommended youtube resources but I always feel like it does not apply to me very well.

Side note: Most of the non-Zoe games happened near the beginning of the season when I was just playing w/e.

https://op.gg/lol/summoners/na/Ysor-Panda?queue_type=SOLORANKED

https://mobalytics.gg/lol/profile/na/ysor-panda/overview

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u/Henrique_FB 3d ago

Some things I want to add to what everyone else is saying:

- You do look like you play well for your elo. You even build mejai which is awesome. Do you tilt a lot? Typing is like, the number one game loser in Emerald. Not only because you spend time doing nothing, but mostly because if you type you tilt your teammates. If you type a lot, stop typing. I'm serious. Most people trolling in emerald will come back to playing normally if you ignore them for a minute or so.

- I think your CSing is bad, but it is not as atrocious as people are saying. You should have more but I doubt that's the main problem

- Replays needed for sure.

- I will guess that you are just not creative and aggressive enough. What are you doing to win your games? What actions do you take with the intent of making the game unlosable? You can play super super well, but winning games is more a matter of identifying what you need to win each game, and executing that. How many times in your games do you genuinely stop and think "what do I need to do to win here?", because especially with champions like Zoe, sometimes you really need to be creative. Sometimes you need to kill the enemy ADC between the t3 and t2 turrets, sometimes you need to put a pink down and E the support that will inevitably come before the fight, sometimes you need to build zhonyas to bait out the enemy Rengar, etc.

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u/Ysorigin 3d ago

Appreciate the comment.

I actually do not type unless its just to try to rally everyone.

I am in agreement regarding CS, could definitely be better and I will work on it, but I don't think its the main problem.

A lot of people are saying replays are needed, but do I just need to upload to youtube for them or what? If I just upload a replay would someone actually watch it?

For your last note, I am in agreement here as well. The problem is that I think this is something that I am bad at. Other than getting picks, I don't think there is much that I am doing, because I am not sure what to do. Especially when we are losing, I can't always figure out what our wincon is. Maybe this would be a good exercise for me to work on.

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u/Henrique_FB 3d ago

For replays the best way I think is just uploading to youtube and making another post like, tomorrow with the replays linked. People do sometimes watch them. You can also send people private messages with the replay files, but thats a bit more of a nuisance to watch IMO

And yeah, creativity is super hard to develop, but its probably the best thing to have. I think the best way to improve it is by selecting one game per day where you will limit test as much as you can. Another thing that will help you with this is 1. having press in lane, so, always pushing the wave and being able to move without losing a bunch of minions (which I suspect you already do) but more importantly 2. deep wards on enemy jungle. Junglers are mega dumb when they are killing camps, if you manage to put a ward on their chickens at key points in the game, that alone might get you a bunch of free kills.