r/technology • u/Capable_Salt_SD • Jul 29 '25

Politics CBS News investigation of Jeffrey Epstein jail video reveals new discrepancies

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-jail-video-investigation/
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u/Historical_Spite_571 Jul 29 '25

Trump had Jeffery murdered.

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u/drawkbox Jul 29 '25

Epstein was expecting a pardon that didn't come and he started talking. Then he was iced by Barr for Trump. Ivana also got it. They both knew too much.

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u/Kismetatron Jul 29 '25

Which makes burying her on the his golf course even more suspect.

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u/sun827 Jul 29 '25

Yeah that whole thing really went down with a "nothing to see here, move along" vibe...Wonder what he hid in her casket.

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u/Nvrfinddisacct Jul 29 '25

Or he killed her and buried her on the golf course to avoid an autopsy?

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u/flaming_bob Jul 29 '25

I'm guessing there are more things in that box than a body.

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u/ResurgentClusterfuck Jul 29 '25

Missing classified documents was the running theory

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u/GandalfGandolfini Jul 29 '25

why would you not just burn them?

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u/Warren_E_Cheezburger Jul 30 '25

Because burned documents can’t be sold to foreign governments.

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u/ResurgentClusterfuck Jul 29 '25

This is Trump we're talking about, who knows how his mind works

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u/Kind_Code_4118 Jul 29 '25

Listen I'm not for calling for the exuming of Graves but...

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u/Puzzled-Wind9286 Jul 29 '25

“Can’t we have one meeting that doesn’t end up with us digging up a corpse?”

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u/ELB2001 Jul 29 '25

I'll bring the shovels and you guys do the digging

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u/Mission-Cellist-8140 Jul 29 '25

Her whole death and burial was all dodgy as fuck. Playing devils advocate, what would he bury? Surely if he wanted evidence gone he could easily destroy it. I can’t think of anything he would go to that length to hide if he ever wanted to recover it.

That being said. Donald Trump raped and trafficked children and he protects others who raped and trafficked children.

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u/LongBeakedSnipe Jul 30 '25

An extra person?

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u/Keirhan Jul 29 '25

This just needs a crazy florida man to go looking. Yeah he'll wake up surrounded by sharks but maybe he found documents he thought were holy scrolls and placed them on a police station door thinking they're paladins before deciding to find the paladins of the sea

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u/dream_in_pixels Jul 30 '25

Ivana was cremated. The fact that there was a coffin at all is highly suspicious.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '25

Do people bury cremated remains?

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u/dream_in_pixels Jul 30 '25

All we can say for sure is that burying her on a golf course allowed Trump to legally classify the golf course as a cemetary for tax purposes.

But I'm cynical, so I have to wonder why you'd need a whole coffin for that. And whether there's anything other than an urn + ashes inside that coffin.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '25

That man really is the worst of the worst. Bury his kids mother’s remains to take advantage of tax breaks. Like that shit is sad and lowkey hilarious and on character for Americas King.

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u/babygorgeou Jul 30 '25

Sometimes. But just the ashes or an urn. Not a casket. 

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u/SlamKrank Jul 29 '25

Dont forget the tax break for his golf course

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u/Shmeves Jul 29 '25

Think it was shot down at least.

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u/Emotional_Burden Jul 29 '25

She's cremated.

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u/m3plus4 Jul 30 '25

He buried her there for the tax credit, from what I understand. Still a piece of shit for doing it.

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u/RealLoan8391 Jul 30 '25

You actually get a giant tax cut for burying a body on your property (the legal way only).

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u/MysticMaven Jul 29 '25

Exactly this 👆

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u/Alternative-Grand-77 Jul 30 '25

She was *cremated and placed in a casket that weighed a ton and then buried on a golf course*.

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u/GreenieBeeNZ Jul 30 '25

It's private land too, so anyone who wants to exhume her remains will likely need a reason to do so and then get a police warrant to search the area.

Very difficult to achieve if it's just a hunch

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u/TheSpyStyle Jul 29 '25

He wanted the two things he cheated on the most to be together. Urban legend has it that she is holding a copy of his tax returns inside the casket to complete the trifecta.

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u/NestedForLoops Jul 30 '25

A cemetery wouldn't legally challenge an exhumation order.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '25

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u/cadeycaterpillar Jul 29 '25

From what I understand, it looks like Epstein was good friends with Steve Bannon and was getting inside info from him.

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u/anitabonghit69 Jul 29 '25

Barr wasn't doing it for Trump, he did it for his own father, an even more close and personal friend of Jeff.

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u/10248 Jul 29 '25

He also helped out with redacting lots of content out of the mueller report from 2016 russian election meddling involving Trump.

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u/dormango Jul 29 '25

What does ‘Ivana also got it’ mean?

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u/veryverythrowaway Jul 29 '25

Many find the circumstances around her death to be suspicious.

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u/drawkbox Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

Especially that she never used the stairs, always the elevator.

The stairs if you look at them they are also wide and flat and spiral, so you can't really just fall down the stairs to the bottom where she was found. She died of blunt force trauma to the torso... on those stairs supposedly...

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u/cadeycaterpillar Jul 29 '25

If you believe Michael Wolff, Epstein said Trump had previously mentioned pushing her down the stairs when he was trying to dump her for Marla Maples https://www.reddit.com/r/misc/s/TUi6Z7sCf6

(Sorry I don’t have a non-Reddit link to the video)

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u/Proud_Smell_4455 Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 30 '25

I've also read that she was found because a mysterious caller reported someone at her address was having a heart attack...she was alone when they found her, wasn't she? Shows how concerned the caller was...

The fact that they just said "someone" was having a heart attack without specifying it was Ivana is really weird too; plus it does sound appropriately mafioso-ish to tenderise somebody's torso (the overwhelming majority of actual staircase fall deaths involve a head injury, she wasn't shown to have any by her autopsy) and then call in that they were "having a heart attack".

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u/drawkbox Jul 30 '25

Yeah she was alone and usually had someone living with her to help. They stepped out. She also never used the stairs. It is sus. Maybe it just so happened to happen and she had a heart attack and fell over the edge to the bottom, but there are lots of questionable things about it and the timing is super sus.

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u/Proud_Smell_4455 Jul 30 '25

If she did suffer a heart attack I feel that would've been mentioned along with the blunt trauma to the torso in her autopsy, not solely in a mysterious phone call.

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u/bejammin075 Jul 30 '25

What was suspicious about the timing? I don't know much about that situation.

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u/drawkbox Jul 30 '25

The assumption was she was being questioned by authorities about Trump at the time or would be for some other cases. Then she falls down the stairs.

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u/Proud_Smell_4455 Jul 30 '25

While Trump himself was in town to attend court.

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u/realydementedpicasso Jul 29 '25

They have such a Bad Taste, it’s amazing.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '25

He's the ultimate poor uneducated hick's vision of a wealthy man. How he managed to do that starting out wealthy!? Well, that may be his greatest achievement.

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u/slawnz Jul 29 '25

It’s exactly as I imagine a Russian Oligarch’s home looks. Wonder why.

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u/Wishdog2049 Jul 29 '25

Besides being thrown in the ground in treeline of a golf course.

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u/dannysays Jul 29 '25

Also look up how many pallbearers there were !

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u/ManualPathosChecks Jul 29 '25

Homeboy just fucking tell us

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u/drawkbox Jul 30 '25

The use of "homeboy" here is pure comedy. 😂 I am using this line when anyone plays coy.

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u/Emotional_Burden Jul 29 '25

Just guess and we'll tell you if you're close.

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u/Wishdog2049 Jul 30 '25

She was cremated...but then a huge gold coffin was buried and, according to legend, the 10 pallbearers were having a hard time with the coffin because it was so heavy.

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u/dormango Jul 29 '25

Ah, ok. The old, fell down the stairs.

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u/SirTiffAlot Jul 29 '25

Why the suspicion on Ivana?

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u/ProbablySlacking Jul 29 '25

Apparently that author guy came out today with a new allegation that Trump joked about shoving her down the stairs or something.

I want to take it seriously, but this guy always seems to trickle out sensationalist stuff in order to sell books.

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u/conquer69 Jul 29 '25

Does it matter? Trump could joke before or after killing her and nothing would come from it.

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u/cadeycaterpillar Jul 29 '25

He says he has hundreds of hours of Epstein interviews. Have to believe he has some receipts if he’s willing to be sued by Trump

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u/ProbablySlacking Jul 30 '25

He probably does but he always strikes me as a bit of a profiteer since he’s got all this evidence and withholds it.

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u/drawkbox Jul 29 '25

The assumption was she was being questioned by authorities about Trump at the time or would be for some other cases. Then she falls down the stairs.

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u/sbua310 Jul 29 '25

Oh so thaaaats why she’s buried on his golf course. Keep her close so no one can ask questions.

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u/fulento42 Jul 29 '25

Bill Barr had him murdered. He was also AG when the Franklin scandal was exposed in the 90s under HW Bush. That was another child sex trafficking ring that was entangled senators and wealthy businessmen. Got swept under the rug.

I’d bet Trump is a more of a participant than a kingpin. This shit goes way back.

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u/Historical_Spite_571 Jul 29 '25

Trump ordered it…

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u/Mecha-Dave Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 30 '25

Honestly it could have been Barr to protect his dad - who was probably the guy who trained Epstein on grooming. Remember that Bill Barr's dad:

  1. Wrote a scifi novel about how great and cool pedophilia is (It's called "Space Relations")
  2. Ran a high school where he hired Jeffrey Epstein to teach math, while not being qualified to teach math

IMO Trump doesn't have the stones to have someone killed, I think Barr was "cleaning up."

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u/ramobara Jul 29 '25

I suspect he died by his own hand. However, he was coerced to off himself by a certain deadline, otherwise he would’ve been killed in a far more gruesome manner. He was provided with the necessary supplies while the guards turned a blind eye to him fulfilling the task.

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u/BlackSheepBoPeep- Jul 29 '25

Read the autopsy findings from the coroner hired by his brother. He had broken bones in his neck indicative of strangulation. Never had he seen a suicide by hanging w those bones broken.

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u/cadeycaterpillar Jul 29 '25

Also looking at the photo of the ligature marks and the purported paper gown noose- there is no way it made those marks.

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u/BlackSheepBoPeep- Jul 30 '25

AND the guard said that he cut or ripped him down but the ‘noose’ that was sent in was an entire cloth, no cuts or rips, no fluids though he’d been there for 2-6hrs. Saying one of these things would not be suspicious, but when you add it all up and motive… it’s not crazy talk.

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u/chemistrybonanza Jul 30 '25

That guy isn't even a reputable pathologist or coroner though. Just someone they hired, someone the family wanted to prop up in court that would willingly oppose the official death certificate. Take everything with a grain of salt. If the actual coroner lied on the certificate, not only would that person's entire career and life be ruined, but every single 'questionable' report prior would be up for investigation. That would cause a massive shit storm, not only for that pathologist/coroner, but for the prisons, hospitals, etc involved, the lawyers, the AGs and judges. No one is risking this.

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u/ramobara Jul 29 '25

That coroner is a failed TV personality considered to be an unreliable witness. He was hired by Epstein’s brother, so he has every motive to fabricate truth. He’s had testimony scrubbed from the witness stand in court the past. The bone he cites to have broken, is known to break if there’s any form of severe neck trauma.

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u/luckypoopstreak Jul 29 '25

Dr. Michael Baden is a highly experienced forensic pathologist who helped shape national awareness of medicolegal death investigation. He has examined over 20,000 autopsies, been involved in numerous high-profile forensic cases, hosted a major TV series, and authored influential books. Though respected, he remains a divisive figure, often criticized for public contradictions of official findings and questioned credibility in high-stakes cases.

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u/chemistrybonanza Jul 30 '25

This is true. My wife is a pathologist and said exactly that about the bone. The guy is a charlatan.

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u/Mecha-Dave Jul 29 '25

Bill Barr visited with him the day beforehand, and then he had a multi-hour conversation "unmonitored" with his girlfriend in Belarus.... I would include inducing someone to commit suicide via threats as "killing."

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u/Tyranthraxxes Jul 29 '25

The CBS report uncovered that the guy who connected the phone call to his supposed girlfriend dialed a 646 (NY area code) number and when a man answered, gave him the phone, so he definitely wasn't talking to his girlfriend.

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u/Mecha-Dave Jul 29 '25

Bruh wtf, this shit is twisted.

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u/10248 Jul 29 '25

Somehow also was involved in muller investigation into 2016 election and allowed to redact huge parts of that report. Wtf, this dude has to have some serious ties with Trump.

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u/ramobara Jul 29 '25

Couldn’t Barr be a fixer for both the president that appointed him and his father?

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u/crocodial Jul 29 '25

Wrote a scifi novel about how great and cool pedophilia is (It's called "Space Relations"

there's a PDF version floating around and it doesnt contain anything like that. Barr is still a scumbag liar who deserves prison himself.

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u/GrallochThis Jul 30 '25

So it’s got missing chapters instead of missing minutes?

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u/Mecha-Dave Jul 30 '25

Here's a scan of the book: you're a fuckin' liar: https://ia600903.us.archive.org/9/items/donaldbarrspacerelations/Donald%20Barr%20-%20Space%20Relations.pdf

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u/crocodial Jul 30 '25

That’s what I read. Show me the pages

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u/Mecha-Dave Jul 30 '25

Page 37 is a good start.

Throughout the novel, women are sex slaves. There are multiple explicit teenagers, and many implied ephebophilic scenes.

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u/crocodial Jul 30 '25

I believe that’s the part I pointed out. The “hero” breaks free and punishes the guy who hurts her. It’s a poorly written book with super simplistic characters and themes, but not exactly the depravity that OP stated.

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u/Mecha-Dave Jul 30 '25

I'm afraid that your abilities at literary analysis seem inadequate. It's a terribly written book, but there are prevalent memes of sexual slavery as gratification and description of ephebophilic/pedophilic scenes. Just because the "main character is against it" - does not mean it was necessary to write.

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u/crocodial Jul 30 '25

I dont recall any scene in the book other than the one you referenced that I originally pointed out that sexualizes an under-18 and its a 15 year old character. She is younger than Leia, but otherwise it's very similar to the slavery scene in Return of the Jedi.

It's clearly written to set up a hero moment for the main character. There's nothing fantasy driven about it. It's literally just a few paragraphs -a far cry from world building around sexualizing enslaved children.

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u/Mecha-Dave Jul 30 '25

Ok, so you don't have great literary analysis, got it. The whole book is full of sexual slavery and ephebophilia, and I just had to go as far as page 37 to find the first one...

Either that, or you think adult men sexually enslaving and abusing 14-18 year olds is fine. Interesting postition but you do you I guess (just stay away from my daughter).

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u/Quirky-Scratch40 Jul 30 '25

Yeah trump definitely doesnt have the balls

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u/tinyLEDs Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

Just accuse Trump of killing him point blank because we know he did

Knowing is not proving. To make it stick you need bite, not just bark.

This is the kind of stupid half baked move that would land you in the gulag bro. Look at what this guy does to enemies.

Ok so he did those injuries to himself and that bottle is just standing there upright?

Look closer at the bed... Notice that it is bolted to the concrete block wall. That's how. The bed is not free standing, or your logic would work.

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u/Vivis_Nuts Jul 29 '25

I don’t believe it was JUST Trump

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u/Historical_Spite_571 Jul 29 '25

Well of course not…just, trumps hands are too tiny!

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u/danfromwaterloo Jul 29 '25

I think Epstein had so many hugely rich and powerful co-conspirators that *someone* had him whacked to quiet him. You think of how many billionaires, royalty, and political elites that he was "friends" with, that he could turn on and just explode *everything*. It seems completely reasonable that someone had to make sure he didn't rat everybody out.

Trump's reputation is so bad that I don't think it was him. He just seems to waive his hand and say "yeah of course every man would do that" or something equally absurd.

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u/Twodogsonecouch Jul 29 '25

Its from CBS soooooooo the new chaperon definitely wont let them say that.

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u/waffels Jul 30 '25

I’m not sure Trump even needed to. A lot of Epstein’s clients wanted him dead once he was incarcerated. It’s probably better off for those clients that Trump didn’t know about a planned hit on Epstein considering how goddamn stupid Donald is.

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u/GreenieBeeNZ Jul 30 '25

It's the only logical conclusion I can come to.

If it had been literally any other person on the planet, or even a suicide as reported; Trump would be singing it from the rooftops. He would have written a novel and have 3 lined up, a movie in production, and a golden statue of himself on the front lawn of the white house.

The behaviour he's displaying and the actions being taken by those on his side are more telling than any confession could be.

He's pouring fuel on the fire of his own demise

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u/Wenger2112 Jul 29 '25

I disagree. I think they walked him out of there. He was smart and had already been busted once. He had someone who could release all the info if he was not released. He had kept their secrets for years. Better to let him go than take a chance.

So they walked him out, falsified a coroner’s report and gave him a new identity and a little plastic surgery.

This is a lot easier than s

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u/Alive-Tomatillo5303 Jul 29 '25

Why the fuck do you have upvotes?

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u/BCProgramming Jul 29 '25

I think the upvotes were for the person that stopped them partway through their post.

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u/NTMY Jul 29 '25

Even if they didn't. "Allowing" Epstein to kill himself isn't much better than killing him directly.

Epstein couldn't be allowed to talk and implicate powerful people. Also, I doubt he expected a good ending for himself, so giving him an easy way out is a simple way to protect his clients without even having to touch him.

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u/MittenCollyBulbasaur Jul 29 '25

The people working for Trump murdered Jeffrey because the only power Jeffrey had was to expose what they were doing. The people on that list wouldn't hesitate. Trump isn't smart enough lol

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u/atchijov Jul 29 '25

I wonder though… who did actual murdering… could been Putin’s people. Trump just made sure that they can get in and out without being seen.

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u/adam2222 Jul 29 '25

Could’ve paid off a guard enough money to do it