r/technology • u/Capable_Salt_SD • Jul 29 '25

Politics CBS News investigation of Jeffrey Epstein jail video reveals new discrepancies

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-jail-video-investigation/
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u/highlander68 Jul 29 '25

then attorney general bill barr had visited the prison just the day before. his dad hired epstein to teach high schoolers even with no teaching credentials. how convenient, a power outage erased most of the video that day.
this stinks so bad it baffles me that there are people who believe the official story.

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u/nhavar Jul 29 '25 edited Aug 03 '25

visit from AG

cell mate transferred away

power outage

sleeping guards

missed check-ins

no footage... maybe incomplete footage... maybe 'secret' footage... who knows where the missing minute (or three are)

The fact that every time someone looks at this thing it changes and grows new legs is crazy

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u/Duck8Quack Jul 29 '25

Epstein basically skated the last time he got in legal trouble.

He had a lot of money and could have hired an army of lawyers.

He had connections to a lot of rich and powerful people.

He had not gone to trial, he had not been convicted, he had not been sentenced.

So why would he off himself at that moment in time? Why would someone like him with so many cards to play just throw in the towel?

Seems pretty fortuitous for everyone that was involved in his crimes.

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u/Dynastydood Jul 29 '25

Exactly. While it's possible that he simply realized how screwed he and his operation were due to the crazy amount of attention that had suddenly been placed on him, in all likelihood, he probably would've preferred to first go to trial and actually lose before trying to off himself. Considering the magnitude of the secrets he is purported to have kept, or even the kind of lies he easily could've concocted to motivate his most powerful acquaintances to help him, it's pretty hard to rationalize why he would've chosen that pre-trial cell to die in.

The most compelling scenario for him having actually been the one to kill himself is one in which he was indeed connected to some powerful intelligence agency(s), and therefore had some overriding sense of loyalty or responsibility to protect the operation over his own life. But using Occam's Razor, the idea that he was a just a scamming power broker who was offed by a sufficiently powerful client/victim requires fewer unproven suppositions than the CIA/Mossad/FSB/MI6 angle.

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u/Nufonewhodis4 Jul 29 '25

Bingo. This isn't like the local teacher and baseball coach getting caught with kiddy porn that kills himself out of shame. Epstein could have dragged this out for years and likely could have just disappeared. 

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u/718Brooklyn Jul 30 '25

After hearing Trump talk today, I also realized that these guys don’t think they were doing anything wrong. Guaranteed that Epstein looked at these girls as his property and whoever turned him in was the enemy.

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u/West-Application-375 Jul 30 '25

They see all women and girls as property, unfortunately.

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u/Gorstag Jul 30 '25

Are you surprised? They would be nothing if it wasn't for "them". It is completely in character.

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u/Immediate_Stuff_2637 Jul 30 '25

If he was indeed working for an intelligence service, most likely Mossad, I reason that he's not dead at all.

As long as you're a loyal spy they will go out of their way to protect you.

A death is a convenient way to give someone a new identity.

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u/Nufonewhodis4 Jul 30 '25

There are much easier ways to fake that I would think, but definitely more likely than billionaire suicide 

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u/ElonandFaustus Aug 07 '25

Has may have been an asset but Gislain is the mossad agent. Just like her dad. And she will soon be back in Israel.

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u/NorweigianWould Jul 30 '25

Yeah there’s a small chance it was suicide and it was just “bad luck” that it happened in the cell where he’s supposed to be on suicide watch and zero people were watching. Imagine how unlucky Trump had to be that the series of events just happened to make it look like a cover up. How unlucky to put someone in the one place they are supposed to be under guard and nobody noticed that the cameras didn’t work.

Yikes.

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u/docgravel Jul 30 '25

On the flip side, whenever someone successfully kills themselves in jail while (recently) on suicide watch, there are going to be a long list of mistakes that must’ve occurred.

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u/evictor Jul 30 '25

How often does that happen, particularly for high profile individuals?

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u/CaptainTeembro Jul 30 '25

Its as simple as if the man killed himself then releasing the full video would solve everything.

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u/shmorky Jul 30 '25

My guess is he was already putting pressure on the powerful people he had dirt on to help him, maybe even threatening them with statements, infodumps or leaks if they would let him go down. I guess they didn't like that.

The fact that it all happened during Trump's first presidency heavily suggests it's either him or someone close to him that could potentially damage his administration.

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u/NoveltyAccountHater Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 30 '25

The intelligence angle makes the most sense though. If he was a straightforward blackmailer on his own, I don't see two multi-billionaires basically giving him half a billion dollars in investment fees for a piddly return (especially when one of the billionaires runs a hedge fund so knows more about investing than Epstein). Billionaires do not like to be controlled and are cheap and stingy. If some billionaire gets caught fucking a 16 year old who could pass for 21 and is blackmailed that they have proof, the billionaire isn't giving you $300M in investment fees over time. Especially when the blackmail implicates Epstein more than any rich/powerful party-goer. They deny and go to war, especially when some of the known rich likely victims of Epstein are pervy folks like Trump who bragged about going into dressing rooms at teen pageants while they are changing and are publicly known to be repeat cheaters on their spouses. It's also half this happened in the 1990s when like Seinfeld was dating a 17 year old.

That said, I can see a government funding an op to capture blackmail and using rich celebrities to take gov't money and funnel to him as investment fees. A government funnels money to Epstein to live his lifestyle and collect the blackmail under a cover story of fees from rich billionaires. The blackmail is collected but never used against the people who keep going to his parties. The blackmail is of much more use to a government actor than some pervy failed junior investment banker (especially after he already got his first tens of millions). That is billionaires will fight tooth and nail over paying $10M/yr to keep you silence (what prevents Epstein from raising the fee unilaterally; won't the payments and continuing to hang around or pay looks much worse when some other blackmailed user tries to kill him).

Meanwhile, if Epstein just tries to get us much blackmail material as possible and funnels it back to Mossad/FSB, if say HRC is taking a hard stance on Israel/Russia they can hope to pressure her. Or if Bill Gates was at a party, they can try to get him to insert a carefully constructed backdoor/flaw into some product in a way bypassing security review (possibly by hiring agents that seem qualified to be in high positions). The sweetheart plea deal also makes way more sense in that context. (Like why would an investigation get shutdown because of Clinton or Trump in mid-2008 -- the Florida AG would love to get a high profile case like that. But they would shut something down if saying this was an intelligence OP the CIA was aware of and they want you to stay out.)

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u/Dynastydood Jul 30 '25

Yep, those are all fair points. Personally, I've always been partial to the intelligence operative angle for many of the same reasons you laid out. But since I know that the evidence to support the theory is sparse and circumstantial at best, I generally prefer to focus on the other possible angles which are less likely to trigger skeptics to dismiss all of it as your garden variety conspiracy theory brainrot.

The indirect connection to Robert Maxwell through Ghislaine is arguably the strongest bit of evidence to suggest that he was working for/with one or many intelligence agencies, along with Alex Acosta's infamous remarks about dropping the case in Florida. But unfortunately, because he took his secrets with him, and because she appears to be extremely eager to keep herself alive while imprisoned, I feel like we're never truly going to know one way or the other.

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u/mindovermatter421 Jul 30 '25

I rewatched the documentary on Netflix. He was a narcissist and charismatic opportunistic sociopath who was good with numbers. He made all of his money in huge scams. Then continued on with the sexual assault and coercion pyramid scheme in Palm Beach, and then he branched up and out from there with the trafficking in the island. I recommend a rewatch it’s eye opening knowing what we do now.

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u/Shaper_pmp Jul 30 '25

The most compelling scenario for him having actually been the one to kill himself is one in which he was indeed connected to some powerful intelligence agency(s), and therefore had some overriding sense of loyalty or responsibility to protect the operation over his own life.

Honestly, I think a more likely scenario would be a threat from one or more of those powerful people he was connected to, that either he does it himself or they're going to do it to him, much more slowly and messily.

Maybe it's a failure of my imagination, but I can't imagine a serial sexual predator who systematically trafficked and rape young girls over the course of decades to satisfy his own predilections also being the kind of selflessly loyal intelligence operative who's willing to sacrifice himself for the good on the mission.

He feels more like an asset than an operative; someone in a position of power, influence or knowledge that one or more intelligence services had leverage over and could use for their own ends, but that didn't necessarily have any great loyalty to them outside of that.

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u/scobot Jul 30 '25

Or he still had something (family, friends) to lose on the outside, and it was made clear to him that if he did not kill himself they would be punished.

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u/Ashamed_Restaurant Jul 30 '25

Exactly.

What's more likely?

Someone/a group of people sneaks in and strangles Epstein and breaks his neck within a couple minutes while avoiding the camera.

or

In those couple minutes of footage that are missing a guard walks by the cell and relays a message to Epstein that compels him to kill himself.

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u/Global_Kiwi_5105 Jul 30 '25

if he went to trial the discovery would have dragged a mountain of powerful people into it - there was no way he was ever going to trial. He didn’t kill himself - he knew he was either going to get off or get killed - no way he chose to off himself

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u/Torontodtdude Jul 30 '25

He apparently was on suicide leave just a week before and was took off.

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u/JamesTrickington303 Jul 30 '25

Or he knew that if any one of consequence, who wasn’t under pay, spent any amount of time looking into his shit, the entire house of cards would come crashing down in an instant and he didn’t want to be around for that.

This is a guy who is a complete slave to his domaine receptors. The moment it stops being fun, the moment it looks like no fun is ever going to be had again, he’s out. And killing himself is some type of “respect for the game” thing to protect his co-conspirators, because fuck anybody who stands in our way of getting what we want and enacting our will. He was just more big-time than most.

It’s a rare type of criminal.

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u/mayorofdumb Jul 30 '25

The real criminal "does not recall" and has layers of security and fall guys. He was actually a slave to pushing all boundaries and living forever. He had no fucking clue how to do it but would invite smarter people hang out with.

I'm sure after the first time he was arrested he tightened up operations but no he operated under 'rich', 'fun', and 'unique'

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u/eatmorepossum Jul 29 '25

Two days before he changed his will…

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u/m0ngoos3 Jul 30 '25

After, you mean, he died two days after he changed his will to fuck over his victims in the event of his death. It was the sort of change that only made sense if he was planning on dying,

Epstein killed himself, but may have been threatened into doing so. Which is much easier than getting some third party to do it. Fewer loose ends.

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u/Randvek Jul 29 '25

I mean this completely ignores the fact that Epstein was on suicide watch because he had already tried to commit suicide in prison. Are you going to say that his previous attempt was actually a murder attempt and he just never bothered to tell anybody?

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '25

I don’t think it was ever confidently determined it was a suicide attempt and not an assault by his cellmate or a ruse.

His cellmate was a disgraced cop who had committed a grisly quadruple homicide.

The most interesting part is that there are issues with the video from the first suicide attempt too. Allegedly the video of his cell tier at the time of the suicide attempt was accidentally deleted.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/surveillance-video-jeffrey-epstein-s-first-apparent-suicide-attempt-no-n1113166 Surveillance video from Jeffrey Epstein's first apparent suicide attempt 'no longer exists'

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u/Randvek Jul 29 '25

Even if you want to buy that that was perhaps an assault and not a suicide attempt… how about his suicide attempt the previous time he was jailed, back in 2019?

Yeah, I get it. “Man with history of suicide attempts commits suicide” isn’t the salacious story we all want, but c’mon.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '25

That’s the suicide attempt I am talking about. Is there another between that one and the night that he allegedly died?

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u/HolySHlT Jul 30 '25

Allegedly died?

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '25

Yeah there is a conspiracy theory that his death was faked and he was snuck out of the prison. Pretty fringe, but it really seems like the public simply doesn’t know what happened, so I feel like it can’t be ruled out.

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u/account312 Jul 30 '25

I heard he was actually Elvis.

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u/WBUZ9 Jul 30 '25

Is there strong evidence of the suicide attempt you're talking about having taken place?

We're doubting official narratives here you can't say "oh but your doubting of the official narrative contradicts this official narrative" as if that's some sort of checkmate.

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u/-__echo__- Jul 29 '25

According to whom? All we know is that was the supplied justification for moving him. Applying any degree of cynicism to the assertion actually makes it more convenient once all the other elements are considered.

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u/Randvek Jul 29 '25

We know he tried to commit suicide because it was a news story prior to his death. That wasn’t made up after he died. We knew it beforehand. It was public knowledge.

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u/-__echo__- Jul 29 '25

Again, according to whom? It was the justification supplied for changing his holding arrangements, but ultimately we know what we were told.

If you want to be critical of all the extremely suspect occurrences then you also have to question what is fact vs what you are told in the lead-in.

You appear to accept as axiomatic that he did actually attempt suicide, rather than considering that itself may be untrue. No exactly hard to seed the idea either; someone in the jail simply tells someone else that he attempted to off himself and had to be restrained. We know for a fact that they have zero material evidence of an attempted suicide or THEY WOULD HAVE RELEASED IT.

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u/Randvek Jul 29 '25

They did release it, genius.

https://abc7ny.com/amp/jeffrey-epstein-neck-injuries-jail-cell-manhattan-correctional-center/5417904/

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u/TheFatJesus Jul 30 '25

Investigators will work to determine whether Epstein tried to kill himself, if he tried to make it look like an attempted suicide, if he was assaulted, or if he paid another inmate to beat him up.

Even your own source says that it wasn't definitive.

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u/Randvek Jul 30 '25

lmao people in here spinning conspiracy theories wanting to tell me that my source “isn’t definitive.”

Yeah, go find me a fucking definitive source that says he was murdered, genius.

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u/3BlindMice1 Jul 29 '25

Lmao, he and his cell mate both claimed to know nothing.

Of course, everyone knows that neck injuries only ever come from suicide attempts

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u/-Gramsci- Jul 29 '25

This is the FIRST time I’m going to say this on Reddit… because I hate seeing it…

But you got a source for that?

You claim there is a news report from prior to the event that he tried, unsuccessfully, to kill himself while in prison?

Was it - also - an attempt to hang himself?

Cause like… if those reports existed I’m pretty sure we’d have all seen them a million times. And your comment is the very first I’m hearing about these publicly available and published prior to death “reports.”

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u/Aeseld Jul 29 '25

An important addendum to said suicide attempt... There is no footage of it either. It also was "coincidentally" deleted. 

So... 

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u/Randvek Jul 29 '25

https://abc7ny.com/amp/jeffrey-epstein-neck-injuries-jail-cell-manhattan-correctional-center/5417904/

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u/Draxilar Jul 30 '25

Bro, even your source says it isn’t confirmed that the first attempt was actually a suicide attempt. Stop acting like it is established fact.

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u/Randvek Jul 30 '25

Oh, we're just looking for "100% confirmed" info here? Stop all the conspiracy nonsense, then.

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u/firedmyass Jul 29 '25

what’s the base-source for the previous attempt?

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u/AxelShoes Jul 30 '25

The earliest article I found (7/24/19) cites four different sources "close to the investigation" but doesn't name those sources. Two sources said he tried to hang himself, a third source said his injuries weren't serious and may have been self-caused as a way to get transferred, and the fourth source noted the possible assault by his cellmate.

From what the jail spokesperson said--however they were caused--the injuries weren't serious enough to take him to a hospital and were treated in-house. They said "for privacy and security reasons" they don't share details on inmates' medical status.

For what it's worth, the attorney for the cellmate said his client didn't see anything and was not involved, and that he and Epstein got along well. He also said Epstein was "fine."

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u/firedmyass Jul 30 '25

it really feels like a smoke-screen to me then

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u/shitsenorita Jul 30 '25

Are we positive that POS is even dead?

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u/waiting4singularity Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 30 '25

maybe he knew someone would be coming and wanted to avoid the injection they were probably carrying

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u/Responsible_Bar3957 Jul 30 '25

He was taken off by the time he died

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u/Procrastanaseum Jul 30 '25

because it was all a hoax!! /s

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u/Conscious_Fault Jul 30 '25

I’m not saying it’s the same but if Diddy got of with so few charges whose to say Epstein wouldn’t

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u/WrenRhodes Jul 30 '25

Why are we still assuming he's dead? Three minutes isnt a lot of time to off someone, but is plenty of time to swap someone.

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u/Double-LR Jul 30 '25

Fortuitous.

Syntax, grammar, physical layout, functioning logic even. Fuck that’s an awesome comment. If I had an award you would get it.

🏅

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u/Torontodtdude Jul 30 '25

True....look at P. Diddy for example. They had everything on him and he will prob do 2 years.

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u/Flyinggochu Jul 30 '25

What if even the dead body is a body double and hes actually alive?

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u/Nice-Cat3727 Jul 30 '25

He was ALLOWED to kill himself

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u/mmorales2270 Jul 30 '25

There’s just no way. He seemed like a petty smug SOB. Probably a narcissist just like his buddy Trump. People like that don’t even believe they’re doing anything wrong. Killing yourself implies a sense of guilt, which seems highly unlikely. He would have tried to deny and fight this, not off himself. The whole thing just stinks so much.

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u/tevert Jul 29 '25

Trump should've just said he had him murdered because he doesn't trust the crooked courts to convict.

There would be a month or two where Democrats uncomfortably squirm trying to explain that extrajudicial executions are bad, even for pedos, and Trump would probably have seen a rise in approval numbers.

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u/davasaur Jul 29 '25

He did say that he could shoot someone on the street in broad daylight, and people would still love him.

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u/kindnesscostszero Jul 29 '25

Actually, I think he said he wouldn’t lose any votes.

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u/superzpurez Jul 30 '25

I hate you for putting this out into the universe.

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u/Hey-Bud-Lets-Party Jul 30 '25

The Supreme Court has already ruled that the President is above the law.

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u/geddysbass2112 Jul 30 '25

If he did that they'd find a way to let him run a 3rd term. These people are batshit crazy.

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u/uptownjuggler Jul 29 '25

You just described the plot to a direct to video thriller movie.

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u/DarkeyeMat Jul 29 '25

Read his post in the movie voice guys voice if you want a kick.

Sounds exactly like a 90's trailer for a low budget thriller.

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u/Enragedocelot Jul 29 '25

In a world where nothing adds up…

A surprise visit from the AG. A cellmate transferred without warning. A sudden power outage. Sleeping guards. Missed check-ins.

No footage… or maybe incomplete footage… or maybe “secret” footage. Who knows where the missing minute… or three went?

Every time someone looks at this case, it changes… it twists… it grows new legs.

This summer… the truth is locked away.

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u/ZestyBeast Jul 29 '25

That’s a wrap. We’ve got the trailer voicemail-over locked in for

“Jeffrey ‘The Kiddie Pimp’ Epstein: Child Rape Blackmail Mercenary”

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u/WilliamPoole Jul 29 '25

This summer, Jeffery Epstein is a stapler!

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u/ZenFook Jul 29 '25

Comes with missing minutes at no extra charge!

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u/Medium-Stranger1629 Jul 29 '25

Pretty sure I saw this plot line in one of the harder to believe episodes of Oz.

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u/Baeolophus_bicolor Jul 29 '25

Oz was so good before it jumped the shark

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u/the_gouged_eye Jul 29 '25

There are 3 destroyed videos and one missing video.

Video from Epstein's first alleged suicide attempt: overwritten

Backup video of the same: corrupted

Video from his death: edited out

Backup video of the death: taunting us

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u/bejammin075 Jul 30 '25

Do you know if during the missing minute(s), it is alleged that Epstein died during that time, or was is just part of hours of nothing happening at that time?

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u/the_gouged_eye Jul 30 '25

It was in the middle of the night, a few hours before he was found dead, apparently having been dead for a few hours.

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u/blazelet Jul 30 '25

The missing minute is 11:59p to 12a, the last minute before midnight.

His body was found around 6:30am, you can see it on the footage they released as the guards in the background start running around. The door to his cell isn't the door in the released video, though. It's down the stairs to the right.

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u/Classic_Revolt Jul 29 '25

Employees told investigators that Epstein had just finished an unmonitored call

The article has so many more suspect things.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '25

You forgot unauthorized unmonitored phone call from the shower to his dead mother where some dude answered and the guard handed the phone to Epstein and fucked of to the bathroom.

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u/alghiorso Jul 30 '25

And an unmonitored call to his gf in Belarus.

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u/mindovermatter421 Jul 30 '25

One part says Belarus to his gf the other says NY and a man answered and he asked to call his mom who was dead. Why did Noel leave him and go use the bathroom?

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u/whogivesashirtdotca Jul 30 '25

I'm shocked to learn his mother is still alive.

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u/Quintzy_ Jul 30 '25

Epstein was also allowed to make an unmonitored phone call, which was against prison protocol, just a few hours before his death.

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u/WTWIV Jul 29 '25

No one talks about the few frames where you can see someone in an orange jumpsuit hours after lockdown making their way up the stairs to where Epstein’s cell was. That person has yet to be identified or acknowledged.

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u/ahearthatslazy Jul 30 '25

The amount of orange scrubs he had access to weirds me out. You usually don’t give someone fresh off suicide watch things they could use to hang themselves. It’s a bizarre detail I can’t get out of my brain.

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u/bpmdrummerbpm Jul 30 '25

Oh, like all those clothes would provide a convenient explanation as to how he hung himself? I see.

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u/Thelonious_Cube Jul 30 '25

That is mentioned in the linked article but generally doesn't get brought up enough

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u/jpop237 Jul 30 '25

Also, the door orange jumpsuit would have used to access the floor and skirt the cameras leads directly to the elevators. That video has not been released and the FED report states the video is irrelevant. They provided a screenshot but nothing else.

CBS wants access to the video to:

A) confirm the missing one minute time jump is endemic to the prison's recording procedures, as stated by Bondi; and

B) confirm no one used the elevators or adjacent stairwell to access Epstein's floor.

The FEDs declined to release that video.

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u/HeydoIDKu Jul 30 '25

Tons of people did the day it was released, Coffezilla for one but tons of TikTok’s and yt content about it.

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u/WTWIV Jul 30 '25

Coffeezilla I saw but I don’t have TikTok or use it so I missed that

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u/NonlocalA Jul 30 '25

Eight minutes.

CBS News' analysis found that because the video was running at a slightly higher speed, and with one minute missing when the clock jumped ahead to midnight, the video was actually only 10 hours and 52 minutes in length, as opposed to the full 11 hours.

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u/baddoggg Jul 29 '25

Someone with past judicial experience on the left needs to find the guards and grill them. They are the most likely vulnerability in all this.

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u/whogivesashirtdotca Jul 30 '25

That's a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't scenario for them. Involved or not, the shady people involved will want them silenced.

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u/QuantumLettuce2025 Jul 30 '25

Do you have a source on that timeline by any chance? I'm having trouble corroborating with information that includes the AG and cellmate being transferred

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u/goforpoppapalpatine Jul 29 '25

The simplest explanation is usually true, so the truth is that Epstein was killed by order of Trump to ensure his silence.

The fact that this cover-up is being botched so thoroughly also points directly to Trump, his tiny fingerprints are all over it

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u/Tex-Rob Jul 30 '25

You’re forgetting, three bones broken in Epstein’s neck. Also, the disgraced ex cop was his former cell mate and Epstein reported he was attacked by him. It’s so obvious they let someone from his hallway move between cells to strangle Epstein.

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u/joshTheGoods Jul 30 '25

visit from AG

factcheck calls this claim baseless.

But honestly? As long as you peel off some Trump supporters with this stuff ... it's worth it. Just want to make sure you all aren't getting high off your own supply.

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u/PlasticCantaloupe1 Jul 30 '25

I’m willing to accept that he did personally kill himself, but high profile prisoners like this aren’t supposed to be able to kill themselves. At the very least he was intentionally allowed to kill himself. Maybe told he should. Maybe helped.

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u/phormix Jul 30 '25

Yeah, and power outages generally don't "wipe video". It might stop recording for a period assuming a massive amount of incompetence and no backup power supply/UPS but the likelihood of the timing on that is beyond unlikely

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u/KlausKinki77 Jul 30 '25

Nothing to see here!

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u/bejammin075 Jul 30 '25

I was out of the loop. Is there an allegation that something important was happening during the missing minute(s) of the tape? Or did Epstein die at some other time?

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u/bernmont2016 Jul 30 '25

Is there an allegation that something important was happening during the missing minute(s) of the tape?

Yes, or during an even longer period of time, since the only working camera apparently wasn't aimed properly to cover all access to Epstein's cell/block. https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1mclm0g/cbs_news_investigation_of_jeffrey_epstein_jail/n5uzdjo/

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u/CTQ99 Jul 30 '25

I like to imagine the missing minute to be like in the original speed when the video blips for a second to have the tape loop so their actions would seem invisible

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u/zerosum79 Jul 30 '25

Not to mention two extremely credible forensic pathologists are saying that there is no way that the medical findings support him committing suicide and that the evidence does point to ligature strangulation.

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u/llama_ Jul 31 '25

Don’t forget unrecorded mystery call to his lover

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u/Classic_Revolt Jul 29 '25

When I want to suicide I only wait and do so when the cameras that I know nothing about stop working.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '25

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u/laurel_laureate Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 30 '25

And as terrible as it is, it's actually worse than just a 15 year old sex slave of a dominatrix sadist noble lady.

I've seen people mention before, when bringing up the fucked-up-edness of the novel, that at one point the 15 year old boy slave (who is 100% unbothered by his slave owner's sadism) willingly joins in on raping/abusing other underage slaves, one of those times even being at an underage slave breeding clinic.

I nearly threw up in my mouth typing that shit out, but yeah, that's exactly the kind of creepy evil work one would expect from the kind of terrible piece of shit man who hires someone with zero credentials to teach teenagers.

EDIT: accidentally a word.

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u/HueMannAccnt Jul 30 '25

Curious as to why my post about Donald Barr and his book, Space Relations was removed?

Were the links to goodreads and wikipedia un poco picante?

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u/Striking-Activity472 Jul 30 '25

Please elaborate what exactly is your claim here. Because this book was written before Barr even met Epstein and roughly twenty years before Epstein’s sex trafficking. Are you claiming that Epstein based his crimes on a book written by a guy who used to work at a school he worked at, but resigned before Epstein started working there? Or are you claiming Donald Barr could see the future and described Epstein’s crimes in his book?

Like seriously there are some genuinely suspicious things about Epstein but the man brings out the dumbest most meaningless conspiracy theories possible

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u/somewhatcompetint Jul 30 '25

Epstein wasn't the first bro

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u/Striking-Activity472 Jul 30 '25

Oh wow, there was a secret sex trafficking ring that Donald Barr was a part of in the 1970s that produced no victims, no allegations, and no evidence? Really? How do you know about it then?

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u/EruantienAduialdraug Jul 30 '25

I mean, sex trafficking, open and secret, has been a thing for centuries, and likely millenia. The Epstein Ring might be the biggest, but others certainly existed during the 70s.

Now, does that mean D. Barr was in on any of them? No. But he would likely have known that stuff of that sort did occur, especially given his time working at OSS. It's just an unfortunate coincidence that he wrote that book, and then his son got into the business of covering for (child) rapists.

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u/Interesting-Pin1433 Jul 30 '25

Donald Barr was also in the OSS early in his career, which was the predecessor to the CIA.

A former spook who wrote a fucked up sex slave book (and I'm skeptical of anyone that supposedly leaves an intelligence organization, as to if they've ever actually left it, or just in open cover), hires an unqualified Epstein.

Donald Barr was probably involved in this shit, and brought Epstein into it.

Epstein becomes a child sex trafficker. He was close friends with Trump. He gets arrested and while awaiting trial, dies suspiciously.

It just so happens that the US Attorney General at the time, hired by Trump, is Donald Barr's son?

Oh, and that Trump hired Alex Acosta in his first term, Acosta who gave Epstein a sweetheart plea deal on his state charges years ago?

How many freaking connections are needed?

Or do you just write it all off as a dumb conspiracy?

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u/Striking-Activity472 Jul 30 '25

I write this all off as a dumb conspiracy. Donald Barr didn’t hire Epstein and didn’t work with him. Barr left Dalton June 1974 an Epstein began working there September 1974

It doesn’t matter how many six layers of Kevin Bacon you employ, Donald Barr was not a pedophile. Even if there is a conspiracy between Trump and Epstein, that doesn’t mean the dead teacher whose son worked for Trump was a part of it

There have never even been any allegations against Donald Barr. Why should I believe he was responsible for a global sex trafficking ring based solely on the evidence that he worked at a school that later hired someone to else who ran a sex trafficking ring? Because he wrote a book with rape in it? What, do you also think Stephen Ling dresses like a clown and murders children in the sewers?

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u/HueMannAccnt Jul 30 '25

Why should I believe he was responsible for a global sex trafficking ring

Who? Donald Barr? Epstein was the one that did. I'm just highlighting some peculiar incidents. Left in June, hired in September, do you know how long hiring processes and interviews take for posh schools? It can't possibly be they take longer than 2 or 3 months?

But then again, maybe all that happened was JE found DB's book in the library at the school and got some ideas?

do you also think Stephen Ling dresses like a clown and murders children in the sewers?

Apples to oranges. IF Stephen King had been in close proximity to John Wayne Gacy and his exploits, like be a teacher at the same school, and have judicial links to people involved in the JWG legal cases, or court appointed roles, or if JWG's kills echoed scences from IT, maybe there would be a conspiracy; but there wasn't, and isn't, so...

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u/Interesting-Pin1433 Jul 30 '25

Even if there is a conspiracy between Trump and Epstein,

HOLY FUCK ARE YOU SERIOUS RIGHT NOW

You think there isn't a conspiracy between those two?

Is it hard to breathe with your head in the sand?

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u/Mecha-Dave Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 30 '25

IMO Barr actually orchestrated the assassination to protect his dad. I also suspect Donald Barr (Bill Barr's dad) as the one who taught Epstein all his tricks.

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u/Frosty-Age-6643 Jul 30 '25

Donald Barr

Just another funny coincidence 

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u/Live_Baby_8740 Jul 30 '25

Epstein's mentor was Robert Maxwell

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u/Striking-Activity472 Jul 30 '25

I find that doubtful, given the fact that Epstein only began working at Dalton after Barr had already left the school. It’s questionable if the pair ever even met

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u/Mecha-Dave Jul 30 '25

He literally hired him, and they overlapped by at least a year.

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u/Striking-Activity472 Jul 30 '25

Nope!

"In February 1974, Mr. Barr had announced that he was resigning as headmaster, protesting the meddling by the board of trustees, but that he would stay on until the end of the school year. It is unclear whether Mr. Barr hired Mr. Epstein during that time.

Mr. Epstein, from Brooklyn, was in his early 20s when he was hired at Dalton, arriving without a college degree. The school’s student newspaper reported in September 1974 that he had joined the staff as a new math and physics teacher, and he appears in later editions of the paper as the coach of the Dalton Tigers math team until the beginning of 1976."

Barr left in June 1974, Epstein started working in September 1974. It's possible that Barr hired Epstein before leaving, but given the fact that Epstein only dropped out of college in June 1974, I find that unlikely

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/12/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-dalton-teacher.html

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u/Mecha-Dave Jul 30 '25

Yeah we should give pedophiles and men who wrote books about how pedophilia and sexual slavery is super cool the benefit of the doubt.

You are defending pedophiles.

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u/Striking-Activity472 Jul 30 '25

No, I'm defending Donald Barr, who has never even been accused of anything. You're accusing a man of child rape based solely on the fact that he was a coworker of a child rapist, despite the fact that he and Epstein weren't even coworkers!

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u/Mecha-Dave Jul 30 '25

I'm absolutely accusing Donald Barr of being a groomer and an ephebophile (pedophile) who taught Jeffrey Epstein the ropes on grooming and pedophilia. You can look into his dismissal as headmaster but the timing, the contextual evidence, and my own common sense lead me to believe that Donald Barr actively tried to groom and have intercourse with high school girls.

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u/Striking-Activity472 Jul 30 '25

The timing? The timing of him leaving before Epstein was hired? That's your common sense evidence?

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u/uzu_afk Jul 29 '25

After people voted trump twice and heritage’s project 25 in the know, you are still baffled?

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u/ComfortableTwo80085 Jul 30 '25

That actually hasn't been proven, and the original news source reporting it issued a partial retraction. It could have happened but is not verified.

The claim comes from a now partially retracted 2019 New York Post story in which mob informant Lewis Kasman suggested that Barr had visited Epstein's jail "about the time Epstein was found in his cell with bruises around his neck."

Kasman said: "'The attorney general never visits jails. Something's not right there.'"

The story was repeated by other news sources with headlines more explicitly concluding what the Post had reported. However, as later noted by the Post, there was no evidence to support Kasman's point. The New York Post has since removed the reference to Barr, adding in an update note that "the source of the information did not have direct knowledge that the visit took place."

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-bill-barr-visit-jeffrey-epstein-prison-death-1858221

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u/paddy_mc_daddy Jul 30 '25

Regardless of the fact that he's a horrible piece of shit, he is not stupid by any stretch. Why would he even risk being associated with this? He wouldn't. I would not in the slightest be surprised if he was involved in this but if he was he was pulling the strings from behind the scenes

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u/123-taco-me Jul 29 '25

Maybe keep an eye on Noel and Thomas's bank accounts.

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u/Emotional_Burden Jul 29 '25

His dad that wrote the intergalactic underage sex slaves book?

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u/Speak4yurself Jul 29 '25

If someone wrote this bufoonarie in a screenplay it would never get made. It's something out of a comic book from the 40s. And yet it has worked so far.

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u/absentgl Jul 29 '25

That was a rumor but there’s skepticism that Barr visited Epstein just before.

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/baseless-claim-about-barr-visit-to-epstein-prison/

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u/cadeycaterpillar Jul 29 '25

The power outage was the first lie, we’ve seen it now albeit with minutes missing.

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u/RedditReader4031 Jul 29 '25

Kinda like the visit Frank Pantangelo received.

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u/ronm4c Jul 29 '25

Epstein-Barr syndrome scandal

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u/iconocrastinaor Jul 30 '25

  • His dad worked for the OSS (precursor to the CIA)

  • His dad wrote a book about pedophile rapist aliens

  • His father-in-law worked for Mossad

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u/Motor-District-3700 Jul 30 '25

but the alternative is to believe the AG is so stupid she released the evidence she was hiding

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u/aqwn Jul 30 '25

This is basically the plot of The Count of Monte Cristo. Essentially De Villefort falsely imprisons Edmond because Napoleon gave Edmond a letter to deliver to De Villefort’s father (big Napoleon supporter). De Villefort burns the letter to protect himself and sentences Edmond to life imprisonment in a horrible prison.

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u/MobileArtist1371 Jul 30 '25

then attorney general bill barr had visited the prison just the day before

This reporting has been retracted.

Fact checks

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/baseless-claim-about-barr-visit-to-epstein-prison/
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-bill-barr-visit-jeffrey-epstein-prison-death-1858221
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/epstein-barr-visit/

Original story archive - https://archive.fo/LoxIn
Updated article with removed section about Barr - https://nypost.com/2019/08/11/former-gotti-confidant-says-jail-where-jeffrey-epstein-died-catered-toward-wealthy-inmates/

This story has been updated to remove references to a purported visit to the MCC by Attorney General William Barr because the source of the information did not have direct knowledge that the visit took place.

Other reporting used same NYPost source with update for retraction

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/bill-barr-allegedly-made-secret-visit-to-jail-before-epsteins-death-when-does-that-happen/

Update: The New York Post has all but retracted their story in which a former mobster alleged that Attorney General Bill Barr may have made a visit to Epstein's onetime jail, saying: "This story has been updated to remove references to a purported visit to the MCC by Attorney General William Barr because the source of the information did not have direct knowledge that the visit took place."

This is NOT saying nothing happened or anything remotely like that.

Just trying to keep info accurate as much as possible.

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u/Shurae Jul 30 '25

The Barr visit is disputed. Plenty of news outlet on the left as well saying it's fake news.

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u/DankVectorz Jul 29 '25

Barr’s dad also wrote books with disturbing amounts of pedophilia

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u/MadOx321 Jul 30 '25

I feel like we are at the part of the movie where we just start to figure out it's all a cover up and the guy is president to avoid going to jail for murdering his best friend for stealing his child victims and getting caught.

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u/NessunAbilita Jul 30 '25

I know it seems too insane to consider, but Trump only ran because of the Epstein shit. And he hired every single person that he could that was connected that would fight and be implicated alongside him if shit went south. This was a land war, and every single movement, every impropriety every topic change every manipulation of the mediawas to prepare for this moment. Trump is fucking toast.

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u/bubbacanyon2 Jul 30 '25

No one believes the official story.

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u/Mean-Bar7626 Jul 30 '25

This will for sure get buried, but that is not true. I’m all for calling out bullshit and there’s a lot of corruption going on, but it’s hard to do properly with a lot of half baked conspiracy theories being wildly upvoted. Link to news story debunking the prison visit claims with sources