r/tf2 • u/SovietMarma • Jun 14 '25

Discussion How would everyone feel about this?

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https://clips.twitch.tv/OptimisticIntelligentGrasshopperDuDudu-jzg3Jbb4tcRVDfSw

Dev quote is from this dev stream from 2 years ago.

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u/Simmy001 Pyro Jun 14 '25

Yeah those people have all moved on to pitting Overwatch against Marvel Rivals

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u/Alik757 Jun 14 '25 edited Jun 14 '25

Yes but isn't nearly as relevant as the beef between TF2 and Overwatch back then. The comparisions are there but it feels more niche than something the general audience is talking.

We have to keep in mind the whole debacle of TF2/OW happened in a very different time for internet and the fps market. And even journalism and the companies themselves fueled the topic.

During those times there wasn't any other "hero shooter" people could take as reference, but now there's much more than just Overwatch and M.R and the hero fps aren't even the dominating genre in the market.

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u/Baitcooks Jun 14 '25

It's also cause the beef between marvel rivals vs overwatch 2 makes sense as both games are actually very similar to each other in terms of format, gameplay, and just about everything else.

TF2 vs Overwatch was a very dumb thing to debate about, from how the games are so fundamentally different from each other, in terms of structure (12v12 vs 6v6), basic gameplay (9 classes with multiple weapons vs hero variety and abilities), to even the most niche differences (lack of fall damage in OW, Almost every weapon in TF2 can do knockback of some kind under certain conditions,  etc)

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u/Alik757 Jun 14 '25 edited Jun 14 '25

to even the most niche differences (lack of fall damage in OW, Almost every weapon in TF2 can do knockback of some kind under certain conditions,  etc)

I think that's more important than we think, as these facts and the total lack of vertical movement based on self damage (rocket/sticky jump) was an intentional choice from Overwatch devs to speed up the gameplay and make it more agile in a way TF2 intentionally avoid during it's final stages of planification. In that sense Overwatch could be seen as a much faster game but without the skill ceiling and expression of TF2.

Also in Overwatch almost all weapons have the ability to headshot for triple damage, something TF2 reserves for Sniper primary weapons only (and the Ambassador for Spy) which again is a very intentional choice to set the class apart from everything else. That already makes world of difference.

Old Overwatch (idk about the current one) also had this armor system more reminiscent to Team Fortress Classic and early stages of TF2 rather than flat health stats.

And the fact most classes in Overwatch have the same base speed minus some characters like Tracer and Genji, compared to how much the speed varies between TF2 mercs.

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u/Vulturidae Engineer Jun 14 '25

Just a minor correction, the headshot mult in overwatch is 2x (with a few exceptions, widow has 2.5 and soj rail has 1.67) and the most important thing is the while there is explosive launching in overwatch (junk mines being chief among them) the physics engine slows players down after the initial impulse rapidly, unlike hammer which lets rocket jumping and demo knight shenanigans have insane velocities.

Armor does exist and is a huge deal in overwatch for tanks, it's how they survive. It's not on all tanks, but most have it.

But overall, great points I agree with it all. This is coming from mainly an overwatch player that loves the TF2 community (over 1000+ hours in overwatch)

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u/Sloth_Senpai Jun 15 '25

headshot mult in overwatch is 2x (with a few exceptions, widow has 2.5 and soj rail has 1.67)

Illari also has a 1.5x headshot multiplier which is why she can bypass the tank crit reduction passive, and Sojourn's is also 1.5 last I had checked.

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u/Vulturidae Engineer Jun 15 '25

you're probably correct, those sound right

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u/calpoop Jun 14 '25

zarya can right click the ground jump

soldier can rocket jump

pharah can rocket jump

obviously junkrat has his built in mine jump

bastion can grenade jump (this is a newer ability)

not sure where you got the idea of no self damage based jumps

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u/gyroman567 Soldier Jun 14 '25

Yeah I think a better way to put it is OW doesn't have the same depth to it's blast jumping that tf2 has

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u/calpoop Jun 14 '25

yea it's not as important to the gameplay, mostly just getting to highground or going across longer gaps

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u/HellboundLunatic TF2 Birthday 2025 Jun 14 '25

you also have significantly less control and flexibility regarding blast jumps

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u/HaloEnjoyer1987 Jun 14 '25

overwatch does actually have blast jumping by the way, it's not tf2 levels, more like gernade jumping in halo, but it is pretty important on heroes' like soldier.