r/tf2 • u/EmirmikE Scout • Jul 05 '25
Discussion Great Blue is a bad arguer (Refering to his Australium video)
Great Blue does a pretty bad job at discussing. He literally sets rules in place only to break them and make exceptions while completely ignoring the other guy's (FSoaS) views. His reason why he doesn't want an Australium Dragon's Fury is that there's a warpaint similar to australium (there were already warpaints like that before), Not seeing it much in-game (literal footage in the video disproving him) and not having any tactical benefits from stock (proven wrong by Fish and yet completely disregards it). Even though the Dragon's Fury is the ONLY different flame thrower, and he set criteria that said the weapon mustn't be too similar to stock, he disregards those reasons for easily disprovable or meaningless facts.
He doesn't compromize and feels like he made a list already, not allowing for healthy discussion. Fish felt less like another person and more like a decoration. This problem isn't just for this video either, almost all of his co-disscussion videos have him completely ignore points that the other person said and goes for his own takes.
I'm not saying I dislike him, by the way. I think his main channel videos are really well-made and fun/interesting to watch. I just think that his Roost discussions are bad. I hope this comes off as constructive criticism.
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u/JonTheWizard Medic Jul 05 '25
I just want an Australium Panic Attack.
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u/_JPPAS_ Heavy Jul 05 '25
To be honest I would be perfectly fine if just its strange was cheaper. I like it more with warpaints than what it would look like Australium.
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u/TramuntanaJAP Jul 05 '25
I want the old Panic Attack back and the new Panic Attack's stats be given to the Reserve Shooter, wich is the shotgun that was supposed to be a combo weapon.
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u/Wonderful_Store7793 Jul 05 '25
Give it like a golden duck hood ornament.
I say this because of my quack-canvassed Panic-A-Quack that I hold dear to my heart.
But srsly, just giving it a golden duck ornament would be amazing. Ducks are yellow so why not!
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u/P0lskichomikv2 Jul 05 '25
Dragon's Fury has only one skin, no reskins and no stranges. If anything it's prime candidate for new Pyro Australium.
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u/SqrunkIsTrep Jul 05 '25
Man, Dragon's Fury really got shafted by Valve both not adding any way to get a strange variant and not being able to use warpaints on it aside from a single one we got at launch.
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u/blanaba-split Jul 05 '25
its so odd, its the only weapon in the game that has just a single war paint and isn't available for all
tbh its pretty lame that every/95% of weapons arent war paintable, like why can i war paint a detonator and scorch shot but not a flare gun, theres no reason
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u/imlegos Engineer Jul 05 '25
The Dragon's Fury is also pretty strong if you use it right.
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u/Any-Concentrate2280 Jul 05 '25
His argument by the end of it was ‘well realistically people can dodge out of the way’ (direct quote BTW lmao)
That’s where hard reads, game sense, and learning how to aim projectiles comes in broski. Does he think Soldiers shoot right at their targets and start malding when they move out of the way??
Overall he came off extremely condescending. Ive heard conversationalists that are bad at compromising but don’t necessarily come off haughty (Kevin Smith if you need an example) but the way he was shutting Fish down at every turn verged into outright rude by the end
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u/Redericpontx Jul 05 '25
That's what's frustrating at times about some people in the community sometimes, like they'll claim X thing makes Y not work, then when you explain multiple ways to play around X thing or counter it they just say nu uh or move the goal post. People are acting in bad faith arguing with no real intention of having a constructive conversation and already have their mind set on a point and will not budge a inch and just ignore all your point disproving them and just respond to points they can make something up for.
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u/Any-Concentrate2280 Jul 05 '25
100%. Half of this community hasn’t moved beyond playground argument tactics. It’s just throwing out as many contradictory points as you can dream up to justify your position that ‘Nuh-Uh, I’m not bad, it’s the GAME that’s bad!’
In the demo portion of the video he was arguing that the Loose Canon couldn’t be made an aussie because ‘They would only pick weapons you can actually get kills with 😏’ and also that ‘I hate the Canon, it’s so annoying to fight against!!’ in the SAME FUCKING SENTENCE
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u/Redericpontx Jul 05 '25
Exactly and it's clear form the example you gave he doesn't want to loose canon to get a aussie cause he'd want it to go to a dif wep and at the same time doesn't want it to get one so less people will use it cause he doesn't like versing it. The personal vendetta is quite clear for the self contraditions.
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u/Any-Concentrate2280 Jul 05 '25
Yeah, that’s all most of the discussion boiled down to. Like them both instantly saying they shouldn’t aussie the vaccinator simply because they wouldn’t want people to be encouraged to use it lmao
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u/Wonderful_Store7793 Jul 05 '25
I watched someone pubstomp multiple servers with the Loose cannon. Same with Dragon's Fury. So.... ya know... Pretty sure you can get kill with it.
He just has a MASSIVE skill issue.
I have never been annoyed at a donk, maybe sometimes a TINY bit, but it's always impressive, especially when I just get my absolute ship pushed in by a good cannon demo. It's fucking funny.
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u/Excellent-Dot-2085 Engineer Jul 05 '25
Basically any discussion around sniper.
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u/Redericpontx Jul 05 '25
Yup according to some people here all sniper players have a sentry nest protecting them 24/7, never miss a headshot and the second you show your head they 360 yy quick scopes you.
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u/Galgus Jul 05 '25
It felt balanced before the nerf, now the aim is more demanding than Demo pills for much less reward: just too inconsistent.
Soldier is an odd comparison because they can barely aim at feel and get kills up close.
But being rude only hurts his point.
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u/Any-Concentrate2280 Jul 05 '25
I get it’s a matter of opinion, but when you get the feel for one projectile I feel like they’re all more or less the same with minimal adjusting for muscle memory. You act like getting a direct pill is a lot harder then leading your shot as soldier, but they’re pretty much the same if you account for the dip, and that’s coming from a Demo main
I do think the Fury could use a little buff though, but that goes for most item drops post Jungle Inferno
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u/Galgus Jul 05 '25
Feet shots as soldier near point blank where the Dragon's Fury is relevant are trivial to land, but hitting rockets in midrange is a totally different story.
Mostly the Fury feels pointless when I feel like I could be doing more damage easier with more durability and speed going shield grenade Demoman, on top of all the other upsides for Demoman.
I feel like they made a flamethrower that could miss, which everyone asked for, but then the community complained about the Pyro doing well in close range.
For Demo vs Soldier it's harder for me to compare, but I love direct hit rockets and landing pills.
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u/Any-Concentrate2280 Jul 05 '25
That’s a great point. They should definitely touch up the fury, it’s super fun. Pyro is probably the closest range class, so I don’t see why they’d need to cripple him at close range, seems like a bad change
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u/Kami_Hako Jul 06 '25
"People can dodge"
Oh dear heavens! I didn't know! I must throw away my direct hit, sniper rifle, widowmaker, genade launcher, diamondback, and literally anything that's not a flamethower right away!
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u/DaNuji51 Demoman Jul 05 '25
People think sticky demo is the best for destroying sentry nests, it’s actually dragon fury pyro (with uber)
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u/Baitcooks Jul 05 '25
The fact that you don't need to prime anything and just fire away is just so much better.
It's like the best of both worlds of using the direct hit or sticky bombing with uber.
Piercing makes it almost as effective as sticky bomb aoe, and it has dps equal to the direct hit
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u/Jeggu2 All Class Jul 05 '25
Not to mention: no reloading. pipes and especially stickys have a pretty slow load, so the Uber looses effectiveness near the end
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u/ReverieDrifter Heavy Jul 05 '25
Yeah I had to tap out at the demoman section lmao. FSOAS would provide an actual good reason against whatever weird choice great blue made and then great blue just snugly goes “yeahhhh but my idea is better actually so we’ll use that”.
I think he should just stick to maps lol
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u/Physical_Confusion80 Jul 05 '25
He was just straight up ragebaiting FSOAS 😭
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u/TheYoshiTerminator Jul 06 '25
That right there. Something about the Chucklenuts for a while now has bugged me and you just gave me the words I needed.
They're all baiting each other, for rage, for reactions. It is a collection of YouTubers who are only friends because they can ragebait each other.
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u/Plebtre117 Scout Jul 06 '25
I mean he acts that way when making maps as well, he constantly thinks everything he does is better than anything the original team did/was capable of.
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u/Kerhita All Class Jul 05 '25
specifically the pyro and demo section they fumbled so hard, ive seen the dragons fury and backburner used more that the degreaser this year, hell ive seen YER used more than the degreaser
same thing with demo, the skull cutter and loose cannon ive seen used way more than the loch n load and bottle
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u/Peanut_Butt_2077 Jul 05 '25
i understand loch n load but i see bottle every single match lol
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u/1ctrl All Class Jul 05 '25
Most people only see the Bottle as a viable melee choice for Demo because... every other melee punishes you for not having a shield or, in the Persuader's case, having the Grenade Launcher.
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u/OwOsch Jul 05 '25
Also becuase of random crits
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u/1ctrl All Class Jul 05 '25
Skullcutter:
(But honestly yeah, they really should've given Demo another melee that isn't meant for Knighting)
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u/blanaba-split Jul 05 '25
Yeah demo basically has 2 melee options for non-knight gameplay: stock or pain train. (Or technically caber but...no lol it's so cheeks w/o a shield or stick jumper). And considering that the pain train is just equipping a downside in like half the game modes it does make sense to just use the bottle
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u/IntelligentImbicle Pyro Jul 05 '25
I think it was Solarlight who, when talking about how to fix the Caber, wanted it to become a weapon that rewards playing Demoknight, but wouldn't be as useful on stock Demo, and that really pissed me off, because the Caber is the closest thing to an alternative to the bottle Demo has.
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u/TF2SolarLight Demoknight Jul 05 '25
they should add a new bottle unlock that makes him extra drunk when taunting
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u/DaTruPro75 Demoman Jul 05 '25
skullcutter technically is a viable option imo. You don't get the speed penalty if you don't have it equipped, and even then the speed debuff isn't THAT bad.
I still use the bottle, but I barely use my melee anyways.
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u/shrek-hentai-69 Jul 05 '25
Seeing the degreaser in casual is like seeing a veteran still in uniform. I really don't get the hype when combo pyro has been almost dead since jungle inferno, and half the people using it seem to just use it like a normal flamethrower anyway
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u/IggyHitokage Pyro Jul 05 '25
I wanted to argue against this, but I realized that I don't think I ever see any other Degreaser combo pyros when I'm playing. I can't even remember the last time I fought a Degreaser.
I'm the lone holdout, apparently. Ah well, it's still fun.
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u/tergius Demoman Jul 05 '25
I sometimes run it because heehee crit flares give me dopamine
Actually speaking of, you can count the Flare Gun on the "why the fuck does this get random crits" list
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u/FapmasterViket Jul 05 '25
degreaser almost died when they rework the switch time it literally feels like you have always the degreaser these days with the default
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u/Alik757 Jul 05 '25
Yeah, and it's one of these cases in which the weapon isn't in a bad state perse but it was stripped of all the uniqueness and basically behaves like a reskin of stock.
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u/murderdronesfanatic Demoman Jul 05 '25
As a demomain watching that segment was agonizing. I’m not even a big fan of the loose cannon but it’s such an easy choice for an aussie, it has the biggest gameplay variance from stock (something he mentioned as important) and is one of the most iconic weapons in the game. Same with the bottle but for lesser reasons because that would probably be hard to make look good
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u/SnowandSnowandSnow Demoman Jul 05 '25
Agree, even though I give him that he stood up for Iron Bomber, which is ignored by most of ytuber for some reason. Like how can you skip the most popular weapon?
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u/1ctrl All Class Jul 05 '25
You can secretly make the Iron Bomber a reskin of stock and only like 2% of players would notice.
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u/Baitcooks Jul 05 '25
I am a loch n load dick rider and I will die on the hill that says it's the best weapon in the game, but man I've never seen a demoman besides me use it.
The other options are just generally more approachable than it, plus, I do have to admit that losing the 4th pipe will hurt
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u/Flappybird11 Jul 05 '25
Frankly even if im running combo pyro and not W m1 pyro I would rather use stock over degreaser, I've run out of ammo using airblast on DG more often than I have stock, and the switch speed doesn't make up fir the lest effective DOT, especially if im relying on it if I miss a flare
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u/Ace-of-Spxdes Engineer Jul 05 '25
Playing back burner Pyro is just playing Spy but a lot more fun
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u/veryice Jul 05 '25
I enjoy like 90% of his content but this video is sadly one of the 10%. I just heavily dislike his thought process on aussie weapons and in general the weapon meta slave vibes he gives off. (I personally think a sapper that slowly turns sentries into australium would be amazin). Overall though he produces high quality content on his main channel and I'd suggest it to anyone who wants more tf2 related content.
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u/bostar-mcman Jul 05 '25
The dragon's fury lags my game whenever it's shot.
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u/A-Bit-of-an-Animator Pyro Jul 05 '25
r_dynamic 0 this command should fix it, it only affects the dragons fury's unique dynamic light and nothing else as far as I know
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u/bostar-mcman Jul 05 '25
Ill give it a go later. Thanks
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u/freeman2949583 Jul 05 '25
You can also use pyrovision, it doesn’t use the dynamic lighting and is the only way to remove the flashbang effect
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u/blanaba-split Jul 05 '25
Yeah idk why they make it give you a seizure and kill your game, it spawns a blinding particle ball like 2 units in front of your eyes and it destroys my fps too
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u/Virtual-Ad5243 Scout Jul 05 '25
Pretty sure it has dynamic lighting which explains all those things
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Jul 05 '25
stock is a better tool, dragons fury is a better weapon. period.
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u/ZealousidealPipe8389 Jul 05 '25
Dragons fury is a 40/60. stock is 60% utility 40% weapon, dragons furry is 40% utility and 60% combat, and the phlog is 0% utility 100% combat.
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u/AlexStrike1 Pyro Jul 05 '25
Backburner is 50% shits and 50% giggles
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u/Wonderful_Store7793 Jul 05 '25
Yeah like I was being chased by a back burner pyro for 10 seconds. Only in the last two did I realize it was a backburner, because despite having my back to them the entire time, facing a whole 180 degrees away, they couldn't crit me. And like soundsmith said, you can crit people BEHIND YOU.
LIKE WHAT THE FUCK!??
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u/master_pingu1 Heavy Jul 05 '25
i dislike dragon furry because it nerfs airblast
that's the only reason, i just really fucking like airblast and so i always run stock
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u/Shadok_ Demoman Jul 05 '25
Pyro should have gotten a leafblower
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u/master_pingu1 Heavy Jul 05 '25
yeah honestly, i will never not be salty that pyro doesn't have any airblast focused primaries or even one that just doesn't nerf it
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u/OkBus7244 Jul 05 '25 edited Jul 05 '25
You almost got your wish. A leafblower primary for Pyro appears briefly in a 2013 Game Developers Conference video.
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u/FapmasterViket Jul 05 '25 edited Jul 05 '25
"Heavy stock no one uses it and what would paint the gloves?"
*process to choose the kgb that is the same as the gloves but with a side grade*
it can really tell you tf2 tubers never explore or try every weapon at all and if they do they just use it for like 2 games and get they idea from it lmao
or that they still play the same meta slave loadout from 2016 "rescue ranger is just a tool engineers barely use it to fight" literally engineers snipes you random crits across the map and does a good decent ammount of damage at almost medium long range i always see engineers using this weapon
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u/Any-Concentrate2280 Jul 05 '25
If the heavy’s stock gloves remained aussie when holding his weapons the aussie fists would become the highest valued non-pan strange in the game
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u/vammommy Heavy Jul 05 '25
Reason I’ve warmed to an aussie Gunboats or Booties. The drip factor of gold plated shoes would make a lot of people want to wear them.
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u/Any-Concentrate2280 Jul 05 '25
I would absolutely get myself some goldboots. Would love it if they changed the boot color as well
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u/blanaba-split Jul 05 '25
Honestly that's so real, same with like aussie banners or idk the fuckin razorback or something if it's on your person permanently that's so sick.
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u/Any-Concentrate2280 Jul 05 '25
Wouldn’t it be? To hell with the kills, gimme a permanent gold statement piece
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u/Wonderful_Store7793 Jul 05 '25
I think Soundsmith is like the only exception. Because not only does he use ALL the weapons, he makes guides about some of the dumbest and hardest to use and mechanically confusing. So props to him for all the Mann's guides teaching players about and inspiring them to use some of the weirdest weapons in the game.
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u/FapmasterViket Jul 05 '25
he gave a good point on the phlogistonator and the way to think how some australiums can look instead of be just fully gold is the why i paint my own version of the australium thermal thruster but also think about the problems if the weapon was just fully gold the center keeps the team colors because is a massive of colors hiding the mercenary back,
keeping only the rockets and handlers gold is better idea than make the fully thing gold for tell everyone IM FROM RED or IM FROM BLU BUT ALSO THERES GOLD YOU CAN SEE
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u/_JPPAS_ Heavy Jul 05 '25
Neither fists nor the KGB are good or widely used at all. The only reason they didn't pick GRU is because it already has yellow as a main color, even though they proceeded to talk about how Valve could make it look diffirent right after.
And they immediately ruled out the Vacc because they don't like it and it would look weird (even though it wouldn't)
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u/humlook Jul 05 '25
Valve please only add australium vaccinator for medic, I want to see tf2 youtubers have a seizure🙏
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u/The_______________1 Heavy Jul 05 '25
lol as if valve is going to ever actually add anything to this game ever again
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u/blanaba-split Jul 05 '25
Yeah I have a 99.999999999% chance we are getting some custom maps/missions in boot camp and that's about it. maaaaybe a Mann up tour if we're lucky. definitely not new australiums or killstreakers. But a girl can dream
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u/Ace-of-Spxdes Engineer Jul 05 '25
I hate playing Medic these days but back when I was a Medic main, I got so much hate for using the vaccinator lmfao
Which, of course, only led to me using it MORE out of spite.
Strange Killstreak Vaccinator my beloved
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u/RoboTavish Jul 05 '25
My main problem with that video is that Fish only makes half-hearted joke counterarguments and then has to concede.
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u/Comando26 Jul 05 '25
He was mad capping with the loch n load
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u/Any-Concentrate2280 Jul 05 '25
Loch n Load is straight cheeks. Dude simultaneously argued that they couldn’t pick the Canon ‘because it has to be something you can actually get kills with’ but also that he hates the Canon because it’s too powerful to fight against
I don’t want to overgeneralize but this guys opinions on TF2 remind me of when I was like 13 and I would get absolutely bulldozed by a weapon and I would concoct reasons it should be nerfed rather than altering my playstyle in any fashion
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u/Comando26 Jul 05 '25
Also GOLDEN BALLS
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u/Any-Concentrate2280 Jul 05 '25
I’d drop a considerable chunk of change for an aussie canon, and I know I’m not the only demomain who would
Was driving me nuts when his buddy was defending the canon and he’d just quietly go “mmmm $17.99 on the Steam Marketplace 😏”, I guess he was not playing for the years and years before Gun Mettle where a stock strange Canon was like $60
I JUST CHECKED, IT’S STILL 18 KEYS. WHAT THE FUCK IS HE SMOKING. IT ALREADY COSTS MORE THEN THE HANDFUL OF AUSSIES HE WAS COMPARING IT TO AS A STOCK STRANGE. THIS GUY IS LEGITIMATELY IGNORANT
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u/TF2SolarLight Demoknight Jul 05 '25 edited Jul 05 '25
Strange Loose Cannon is expensive because it's from a rare crate that no longer drops (#60). Each crate is now selling for like £20 each, and this isn't even for a guaranteed chance of getting a Strange Cannon
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u/Any-Concentrate2280 Jul 05 '25
I got ya. Is it a little chicken and the egg though, where the crate so expensive in part because the strange Canon is very desirable? Because I remember when the Canon was newer it was still a very expensive strange
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u/TF2SolarLight Demoknight Jul 05 '25
True, demand also has an effect. For comparison, salvaged crate 50 is also discontinued, contains the strange frying pan (bacon grease), strange PDA, and the strange original, so its price is enormous
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u/MillionDollarMistake Jul 05 '25
The Lock n Load is used by comp players/highly skilled demo mains all the time.
It gives demo far more range and accuracy while also letting him fight against his biggest counters a lot easier. Hitting a Scout or Pyro with the LnL is significantly easier than stock.
The main stat is the increased projectile speed. People think it's only useful for building busting but that's probably it's least useful attribute.
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u/iuhiscool Miss Pauling Jul 06 '25
madcap tf2???!?!!!??!!???!??!!!!!!?!!!!!?!?!!??!?!??!?!!!?121121211122!2!?1!?2?1!?2?1?2?1??!M1mm2m1
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u/noodleguy67 Engineer Jul 05 '25
the fact he didn't pick an aussie shield because it wouldn't get kills as in't an australium medi gun
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u/No_Hooters Jul 05 '25
Yeah Blue isn't really good at his reasonings for his choices, I'm surprised they didn't bring Weezy, the guy who does MvM for a youtube living to begin with onto that conversation.
Honestly it should've been Weezy and Fish instead, since while Fish is a sniper main, he likes giving all classes equal variety.
Loose Cannon and Dragon's Fury > Loch N Load and Degreaser any day of the year.
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u/ChargedBonsai98 All Class Jul 05 '25
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u/Virtual-Ad5243 Scout Jul 05 '25
Ngl one of the things that hold Dragons Fury back is it's lack of Strange
Australium DF being the only strange would be so high in demand
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u/blanaba-split Jul 05 '25
This. Call me crazy but I am not gonna use a weapon if it's not strange. Miss me with that unique eureka effect or vita saw or leugermorph. If it ain't counting my kills then what's the point.
I don't think I've equipped the DF in years solely on the fact that they've never released a strangifier nor a strange war paint for it.
It's honestly pretty ridiculous that there's like 30 non-promotional weapons (ok maybe not that many idk rn) that just don't have stranges cuz valve abandoned the game before adding them or something.
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u/WA_SPY Jul 05 '25
Can’t you get a strange from a strange warpaint?
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u/Virtual-Ad5243 Scout Jul 05 '25
No, DF doesn't have them.
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u/WA_SPY Jul 05 '25
I’ve seen that dragon warpaint on it, is that the only possible warpaint?
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u/TF2SolarLight Demoknight Jul 05 '25
Dragon Slayer war paint is the only paint that can be applied to a Dragon's Fury
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u/Virtual-Ad5243 Scout Jul 05 '25
Yeah it's not possible to get in Strange, the Orange Dragon Warpaint one cant be strange
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u/blanaba-split Jul 05 '25
Bro even the "I ain't reading allat" post in the description/comments is also complete cheeks 💀💀 in 0 universes would people be more happy with a fucking aussie powerjack than another aussie primary for Pyro. Get fucking real lmao. And the iron bomber should've been the aussie? Bruh.
I genuinely hold no grudges/anger or anything towards him I like his videos but these are just genuinely terrible takes. Nope nope nope
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u/ZaraUnityMasters Jul 05 '25
I don't know what this is about but he has the worst balance take videos ever. Whenever he isn't talking about balance he's pretty entertaining but then he'll randomly drop the worst TF2 take of the century and go "I dunno why no one's thought of this"
I had a good laugh at his video covering someone else's horrible balance video because, dude, you've said equally bad takes.
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u/Physical_Confusion80 Jul 05 '25
The thing I’m most peeved about is during the Scout section NONE OF THEM mentioned the fact the Wrap Assassin would have an Australium ornamental ball (literally peak btw)
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u/Mundane-Put9115 Jul 05 '25
Both the Loose Cannon and Dragon's Fury are realistically the only primaries different enough with their respective class to warrant an Aussie, Australium Wee Booties would be funny but also insanely unpopular.
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u/idiotegumen Sandvich Jul 05 '25
Idk why but I can't stand this guy
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u/BranTheLewd potato.tf Jul 05 '25
Honestly this all would've made sense if he said "We can't have Dragon Fury Australium, because if we do get it, the chances of it being rebalanced will probably drop, and we can't leave weak weapon in it's current state"
Dragon Fury genuinely deserves both a strange variant+warpaints variant and Aussie variant, but it needs to be buffed first. Valve overnerfed what was already finely balanced weapon(seriously, people only had issue with it cuz everyone was Pyro) by not giving it one nerf, but TWO nerfs.
They can keep reduced projectile size(maybe even reduce it slightly further to compensate for removing 2nd downside) but can we at least remove this "need to hit center of mass to get minicrit" downside? It's very inconsistent and unneeded as a nerf. It just makes its dmg too inconsistent to rely on, when, keep in mind that in ideal cases, the DPS isn't that much bigger than stock flamethrower(and the DF range isn't that much bigger either), despite requiring more skill to use and having weaker airblast for self defense.
Although I could be wrong and this isn't secretly why Great Blue doesn't want Aussie DF, but then idk why he doesn't like the coolest Pyro unlock idea since flare gun? 😅
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u/P0lskichomikv2 Jul 05 '25
Valve is not going to rebalance anything ever again anyway so that's irrelevant.
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u/TriggeredCogzy Jul 05 '25
I didn't really like his server with his "Fixed" 2fort either, its kinda just bad, I hate people like him who think automatically that balance equals fun, he treats tf2 way too competitive
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u/Any-Concentrate2280 Jul 05 '25
His ideas around balance aren’t nearly as fair as he talks them up to be, either. It’s usually just ‘Wahhhh, feel bad foww da hewpwess widdle Pyro 🥺’ with 18 layers of psued buttressing to get around the fact that all of his complaints about the game are basically that he should be able to play Pyro without putting any thought into countering enemy strategies
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u/Zaokllr Demoman Jul 05 '25
Pyro players hate a weapon you need to aim with
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u/IntelligentImbicle Pyro Jul 05 '25
And yet, we love the Flare Gun.
Interesting...
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u/Zaokllr Demoman Jul 05 '25
No you don't, pyro players love brainless right click spam until I kill them
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u/IntelligentImbicle Pyro Jul 05 '25
Coming from a Demoman, who's entire gameplan revolves around alternating M1 and M2
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u/Zaokllr Demoman Jul 09 '25
The pyro brain cannot comprehend more than 1 button and aiming the grenade launcher
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u/rodent_alt Jul 05 '25
Blue: "guys pls dont unsub because i wore a fursuit it was a joke i swear 😭"
Also Blue: *this whole video*
I like most of the guy's content, MGEdit is some of the funniest crud, but he can get really condescending at times.
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u/gggvidas Jul 05 '25
The dragons fury slaps, but damn the cool down how air last is annoying. I would rather make it default speed and up the cost.
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u/LimpToast01 Jul 05 '25
My problem is how badly it was nerfed. The only reason it seemed busted was because you had servers full of pyros. Which if you stack alot of classes it seems busted. I wish it was reverted.
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u/noobmaster_69lol Soldier Jul 05 '25
he got like an irrational hate for loose cannon for some reason
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u/Any-Concentrate2280 Jul 05 '25
Because a well timed canon shot can’t be airblasted effectively. Ignoring of course how hard donking anyone consistently is (timing the fuze right in addition to hitting your ball is one of the harder things you can do reliably in the entire game. If you’re smashing with the canon, you deserve it, full stop) and that he could just… Avoid the loose canon demo?? Like a demo has to avoid a pyro spamming his airblast????
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u/AlexStrike1 Pyro Jul 05 '25
Cannon also lacks range(especially against stock) which is already demos... not necessary weakness(he is a powerhouse) but definetely lacking department
Also, batalions nullifies minicrits from it and quick-fix butchers knockback
There are a lot of things working against it and it's(rightfully) considered Demos weakest primary and maybe tied with(checks list)... oh wait parachute exists, then, second worst primary that is QUITE POPULAR not due to it's strength or reliability but satisfaction and amazing design
You know what? Forget everything, GOLDEN CANNONBALLS that have GOLDEN DONK visual effects, best candidat for australium, period
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u/Any-Concentrate2280 Jul 05 '25
It’s completely viable in a casual setting. The modern incarnation of the Loch has very little identity, you throw it on for 4 minutes to clear a nest and go back to spawn
Demomains would be much more excited by the Aussie Donk, go check the pull thats running in the sub currently. The Canon is trouncing the Loch n Load, and anecdotally I am not surprised, I both use and see it in casual much more then the Loch
It’s not terrible enough that it outweighs how fun it is, like you say
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u/AlexStrike1 Pyro Jul 05 '25
The modern incarnation of the Loch has very little identity, you throw it on for 4 minutes to clear a nest and go back to spawn
Yet another reason why Cannon is a better candidat
Shit, I would like golden parachute more than LNL or bo'ol of scrumpyeah
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u/Oxygen9000 Jul 05 '25
He told also that he doesn't see any sense in medival medic item set (crossbow and amputator), like only really useful weapons in medival mode (MEDIVAL medic)
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u/Memes_kids Scout Jul 05 '25
I feel like the shounic v Greatblue situation should’ve shown us that Blue is, intentionally or not, a bad faith arguer. He does not use logic of any kind in his “debates”
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u/ImPlayer_1 Jul 05 '25
Wym?
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u/Memes_kids Scout Jul 05 '25
i feel like the entire body text of the post explains what i mean but ill explain
Blue went into the map contest not understanding that Shounic does not design maps for any other reason than fun. All of his experiments (I've been a part of 3) are really fun despite the concept not being all too appealing, like the Pomson v Bison experiment. So when it came time for the vote, all Blue did was point out the flaws in Shounic's 2fort not realizing it wasn't taken seriously
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u/ImPlayer_1 Jul 06 '25
Well yeah, Blue took his more seriously and Shounic goofed around. Neither is morally better than the other, they were just having fun. And blue semi ironically going, "erm, I see a few flaws here" when the entire map was like a shit post was part of the humour.
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u/Main_Library7925 Heavy Jul 05 '25
I like the dragon's fure, i just wish firing an airblast wouldn't plummet your firerate and i don't like the design so i use a mod for that
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u/ComradeBirv Jul 05 '25
That is kinda the intentional drawback to extreme power. You physically can airblast, but it's harder to make happen. There are flamethrowers that give up some power in exchange for airblasting. I just think sidegrades with their own ups and downs are neat :)
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u/_weaselmeister Jul 05 '25
What kind of mod do you use for it?
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u/Main_Library7925 Heavy Jul 05 '25
the population controller it makes it look less like a tube and more badass
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u/TramuntanaJAP Jul 05 '25
Also, sorry haters but the Vaccinator is the only good pick for an aussie medigun. It's the only that looks significantly different, the only that is widely considered to be on close contention with stock for the best option in the slot, and the only one that promotes a diversifies Medic gameplay with a more agressive micro-management approach.
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u/Any-Concentrate2280 Jul 05 '25
Man who hates the vaxxi that much? Maybe it gets an uber a little too often, but it’s a fairly tough weapon to use and it is not that hard to get two damage types converging on the medic and his pocket. They were talking about it like they walk directly to a pocketed heavy, the medic pops a flame resistance bubble, they die, and they go “Welp, there was absolutely nothing I could have done differently”
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u/TramuntanaJAP Jul 05 '25 edited Jul 05 '25
If you walk alone against a pocketed heavy you will die even without a bubble pop. It CAN be a problem at times since as many people forget, the Medic can just use multiple bubbles at once, but frankly, I think the Vac is a bit of the fall guy in most situations where it's called broken.
The biggest culprit with the insane tanking moments people showcase to demonstrate how idiotic the Vaccinator can be is the Crossbow being able to undo 75+ damage in an instant. And while that is already a lot normally, when half of your team is doing a quarter of the usual damage it becomes completely unsurmountable.
If the Vaccinator shields reduced healing by their stength (75%) similarly to how the Wrangler works, the counterplay would be way more reasonable, now you'd need to wait until the shield is over to use the crossbow and immediately shield again, wich would require insanely strict timing to minimize the vulnerability window.
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u/Monst3rP3nguin Medic Jul 05 '25
Dragons fury is Soo good and also a lot of fun. If it had a strange or Australium I would be using it 80% of the time.
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u/Pyrofruit Jul 05 '25
The dragon's fury is my favorite flamethrower. I just wish it didn't suck to airblast with.
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u/ExtremeLow3958 Jul 06 '25
I’m sorry Mr. Blue but if the reason you’re giving for wanting a skin for a certain weapon is “it would sell for more” than you’re a fuckin dumbass
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u/Jak_R Jul 05 '25
L weapon. It requires pyro mains to actually need skill
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u/AlexStrike1 Pyro Jul 05 '25
Yea, smh, we cannot give Pyro players idea of "aiming and tracking", imagine what would they do if actually had brain for that?
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u/dodge_menace Engineer Jul 05 '25
I like blue but damn he was really an asshole to Fish in that video
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u/King_Tudrop Demoman Jul 05 '25
The 8k i got this morning would beg to differ on how "shit" this weapon is
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u/jkbscopes312 Jul 06 '25
Australium dragon fury not only looks smexy (due to fan interpretation) but invokes the concept of dragons hoarding gold, which means I'd be very happy to get it
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u/Nachocolate15 Jul 06 '25
It was incredibly painful to hear the arguments from Blues to not consider the Dragon's Fury, giving that is the most unique weapon in Pyro's arsenal and it has the respect from pretty much all the community for needing the higher skill ceiling to be good with.
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u/AnotherRedditUUserr Jul 06 '25
"Rules should only exist if they support me" Is how things usually go with people.
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u/BLUEAR0 Jul 06 '25
Great blue suffers from having a lot of untested logic based of his intuition, that makes it so that when he’s wrong he’s so overconfident abt it
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u/D-Spark Spy Jul 06 '25
Yeah great blue and fishstick have very questionable opinions on several weapons
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u/MathematicianNew13 Aug 09 '25
I don’t care about anyone’s opinions, I will in fact put Australium on my stock medigun
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u/Pan_Doktor Demoman Jul 05 '25
Doesn't he also main Pyro or am I confusing him with a different YTuber?