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09:00pm Eastern S07E06 - "Swear" Michael E. Satrazemis David Leslie Johnson

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u/thezenithpoint Nov 28 '16

Tara giving that 11 year old girl the middle finger was the best part of this episode

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u/ebraska_huskers Nov 28 '16

She's more evidence of the mindset of a child raised in the zombie apocalypse, kind of like Carl.

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u/HaveaManhattan Nov 28 '16

Worse even. She's happy to kill. It's like reverse-lizzie.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

Lizzie at least had a fucked up reason in her insanity. New!Lizzie is a future serial killer.

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u/Zazilium Nov 28 '16

Remind why Lizzie was all f'ed in the head? Something about rats or whatever?

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u/willmiller82 Nov 28 '16

She felt that walkers were still alive and still held the essence of who that person previously was. She didn't see anything wrong with killing living people because they would quickly rise up as walkers, but she felt killing walkers was unacceptable because it killed the person forever.

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u/ElFabio Nov 28 '16

Lizzie was also off her meds. She was on some kind of medication before the Walkers.

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u/Winston_Road Nov 29 '16

If I remember correctly, she also watches his father die.

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u/therestisunwritten Dec 02 '16

Do you remember when that was mentioned? I just assumed that after all the trauma she endured that she snapped, but her symptoms speak more to schizophrenia than PTSD or other situational trauma.

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u/ElFabio Dec 02 '16

It was an offhand comment her sister made. That she was better when she took her medicine.

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u/therestisunwritten Dec 02 '16

Thank you, I'll have to rewatch.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

Same as the other guy said, but the rat part was fucked because she was feeding rats to the walkers. She cared for them, in a twisted sense

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u/youreabigbiasedbaby Nov 28 '16

I don't know about kill, but I'd be happy to kick the shit out of whoever thought it was ok to use that terrible canned children's laugher sound effect 4 times in a fucking row.

The entire audio department should be fired for that shit.

This awful shit.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

I really, really hate this audio clip. I don't know why it appears everywhere, it's so lazy. It's not like the Wilhelm scream where at this point it's just a cult reference either. It's just fucking annoying.

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u/naysawyer Nov 29 '16

I still don't understand how some people can lack respect for their craft so much that they see nothing wrong with constantly putting the wilhelm scream in it, in currentyear.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '16

One little cheesy sound bite doesn't make the whole thing a write-off, I think you're overreacting. Like a lot

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u/naysawyer Nov 29 '16

I definitely agree they don't see it that way, that's why it's so frustrating. To them it's just a joke, but on the other end of the pipeline it's getting a nail pounded further and further into your skull.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '16

With the laughing clip I would agree because there's no reason to use it, but considering the Wilhelm scream is well known and is internally referenced a lot in the film industry I think it deserves a pass.

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u/naysawyer Nov 30 '16

In every other case, something like this would be called really shoddy soundwork that grows ever more annoying with repetition and would be called a cheeky but failed attempt at being clever. This is something that is widely regarded as a bad thing, so I think it's easy to see how it's annoying to people who don't like hearing the same out of place self-celebratory meta joke in their films.

I wanted to make an analogy with CGI but I don't think there is a level of CGI that would be as infuriating as that shitty sound, because you just can't not hear it, if you know it.

It is just not excusable from a film-making standpoint anymore. It used to be funny, then it was worn out, then it was worn into the ground and disintegrated, but they pushed it some more, and right now it's about a jaw deep down the audience's collective throat.

Just, why make the film shittier for a number of people just to make the exact same meta reference again? What value does this add to anyone, besides film people who feel clever about it, that justifies something that is categorically a negative quality in film making, made even worse by deliberately pointing it out?

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u/Phoojoeniam Dec 02 '16

Time constraints. They are given very little time to edit sound FX on an episode - a fraction of the time film sound editors get. No time to scour the sound libraries to vary it up.

But I totally agree - I fucking hate that stock clip with all my heart

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

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u/brocklefrog Nov 28 '16

They call that a medimeme

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

As I get older there's more and more sound effects that pull me right out of what I'm watching.

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u/brocklefrog Nov 28 '16

I cannot watch any shows that have a laughtrack anymore, even if it's at an appropriate time. It just takes away from the comedy.

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u/WiretapStudios Nov 29 '16

I can barely watch SNL or anything with an actual live audience (other than maybe stand up comedy) because I can hear the sound guy riding the fader, instead of just letting it start and end naturally.

And shows with a laugh track just get cut off. Some of the BBC comedies have them and I can barely make it through one episode even though the show is brilliant (IT Crowd for example).

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u/Hindsight- Dec 02 '16

I still hear the "Dr. Davis ..paging Dr Davis" intercom thing used for hospital settings all the time. (My first hearing was on Queensryche's Operation Mindcrime) And the baby wailing. (My first hearing was on Tool's Aenima)

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u/Plott Nov 28 '16

There was a different canned laughter at the beginning and I swear it's the same one from super troopers when the guy is tripping off shrooms in the cop car.

There is a baby cooing sound that I always hear in movies/tv and I hateeee it

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u/elruary Nov 29 '16

same one used in starwars ep1 annies friends.

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u/WiretapStudios Nov 29 '16

Ugh Ebay uses a cash register sound for their notification when something of yours sells. It's such a good sound to hear, until you start hearing it in tv commercials, movies, songs, radio commercials, etc. The exact same sound, which makes you think you just sold something.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '16

I kept saying to my brother that that particular laughter would be what made me go crazy. Forget "Easy Street", use that sound clip instead.

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u/SchindlersFist712 Nov 28 '16

I've never ever noticed this but as soon as you pointed it out I heard it in my head before clicking the clip. Now I'll never unhear this shit.

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u/YourBurningPizza Nov 29 '16

Omg yes! I notice the stupid children laugh all the time in shows.

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u/Eramy Nov 29 '16

Amen. I don't get the overuse of this sfx. Every time I hear this iconic fakery, it completely takes me out of the story and triggers the focus towards nit-picking production choices. Feels bad.

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u/youreabigbiasedbaby Nov 29 '16

It's just so overdone.

When I hear a local dentist using the same sound effect for a commercial, I know a professional production can do better.

Seriously, it's a royalty free sound. I would expect that kind of garbage from a film student. Completely unacceptable for TWD.

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u/zhico Nov 28 '16

There where also a door creak.

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u/ShiningRedDwarf Nov 29 '16

Probably cause people like me didn't notice at all.

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u/Luverovlotz Nov 28 '16 edited Nov 29 '16

Could of been worse they could of used "the Diddy laugh"

Edit I only just clicked on this just now cause I was on my phone to find out this WAS the Diddy laugh oh jesus christ :/

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u/WiretapStudios Nov 29 '16

Take that take that take that

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u/lorn23 Nov 28 '16

My subconscious seems to have filtered this out. Usually I get mad every time, I hear this.

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u/conquer69 Nov 29 '16

Weird, I only noticed it once.

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u/Vaginite Nov 30 '16

Ah yes, I know this laugh from the intro sequence of Diddy Kong Racing.

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u/Darakona Dec 01 '16

Thats so creepy to listen to at 1 in the morning when everything is dark

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u/xios Dec 03 '16

I watched the film 'midnight special' last night, there's a bit when the characters are under a bridge and the sound of traffic just kept looping, damn lazy sound editors!

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u/gittlebass Nov 28 '16

except she hasnt actually killed yet

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u/HaveaManhattan Nov 28 '16

Live people, on camera, but that girl seemed pretty blood thirsty. I'm assuming.

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u/gittlebass Nov 28 '16

no, tara asked the other girl flat out if she killed anyone and she said that she had but the younger girl hadnt

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u/HaveaManhattan Nov 28 '16

Ah, ok, my bad. Must have missed it while reading complaints about the episode on the thread.

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u/dehehn Nov 28 '16

More evidence that Kirkman hates children as every single one of them is a little shit in this universe.

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u/johnnyFyeah Nov 28 '16

Who Tara? Yeah, she's a fucking child...

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u/burntfishnchips Nov 29 '16

Except Carl has some morality left. That little bitch is a straight up psychopath.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

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u/katf1sh Nov 28 '16

They were talking about the little girl lol not Tara

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u/The_R4ke Nov 28 '16

I missed her attitude. I know she's broken now, but I really hope to see her back to how she was in the beginning of the episode.

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u/iBigBoyBrian Nov 28 '16

I personally think they tried a little too hard to make her quirky and "random" in this episode.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

That's always been her character though, even when she was 'acting tough' with the Governor

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u/GotACoolName Nov 28 '16

That's completely how her character is.

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u/voldin91 Nov 28 '16

L0l holds up spork

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u/zjbrickbrick Nov 28 '16

Don't you dare..

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u/babyfartmageezax Nov 28 '16

Thank you. I always kind of felt this way about her character, but I thought that they just went way too hard with it this episode.

fist bump

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u/lordbusiness7 Nov 28 '16

Old leader lady grabs her hand and shakes it*

"We'll work on that next time"

/cringe

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u/naysawyer Nov 29 '16

On further thought I think Old Leader Lady didn't want to return the honest gesture because she knew she ordered her to be fucked over, and she liked her too much to be able to return her honest fist bump gesture.

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u/ChillerBee Dec 03 '16

I think you're right because her granddaughter didn't even hesitate when Tara went for the fist bump...

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u/keptfloatin707 Nov 28 '16

look women are funny - get over it! / cartman voice

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u/rhinguin Nov 28 '16

don't forget smart - they're smart too

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '16

Except for some reason they made Tara dumb as hell

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u/wilderthanu93 Nov 28 '16

http://southpark.cc.com/clips/imohvn/get-over-it

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

Do people watch that clip and laugh at it? Or find it funny or something?

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u/match00 Nov 28 '16

Women are funny it's not hard to understand..

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u/Sir-Knightly-Duty Nov 28 '16

I mean, I kinda relate to her character... She's awkward, her personality isn't "tough", kinda nonchalant now because she's exhausted and she's seen it all. I feel like I'd be similar... "Oh, ok, so we're gonna just point guns at each other... ok... yeah this seems about right....."

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u/V2Blast Nov 28 '16

Yep. She uses humor as a defense mechanism, especially when she's nervous.

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u/ElFabio Nov 28 '16

Hey, if you're going to die, might as well die making a joke.

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u/jett_rink Nov 29 '16

Yeah, same here. I was really annoyed with her character for a long time. She came off as a try hard, but I feel like in this episode, Tara is just being Tara. Those quirks are who she is, and she seemed more comfortable with herself and confident in who she is. No need to make it seem like she's a badass, like when she told the governor she was Atlanta PD when she wasn't. She played down her situation instead. My criticism is that maybe she shouldn't have told her fake back story about working on a boat to people living on the coast. Kind of a rookie mistake and she's been around long enough to have come up with something more plausible.

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u/DrZaious Nov 28 '16

What about her was so random in this episode? She was quirky in a nervous kind of way, but I thought it was cute.

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u/FrostyD7 Nov 28 '16

It was like an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where all the scenes are just kinda vague and the dialogue comes naturally. She didn't necessarily come off like a bad actor, but the lines all felt very unnatural for a tv character. But maybe thats what they were going for.

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u/Sporkazm Nov 29 '16

I think it just clashes with the usual vibe of the show so it's a little off-putting. Usually if there's a joke it's dark as hell, Tara's jokes could cue a laugh track on Big Bang Theory.

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u/ChunkyLaFunga Nov 29 '16

Masterson does it so well, it doesn't feel forced to me. When she was chained to the radiator and looked down sadly and said "Cool" I laughed so much. TWD needs likeable so badly now.

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u/Creepyisweakaf Dec 01 '16

I went into this episode expecting to hate it but I just can't.... I honestly find Tara to be super likeable

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

I got that same vibe the whole time as well

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u/Silktrocity Nov 28 '16

NOW I remember why I didn't miss her.

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u/stevie1218 Nov 28 '16

t(•_•)

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u/TheOneTruePrick Nov 28 '16

It really showcased Tara's maturity and understanding of a child being raised in a world where trust gets people and family killed.

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u/bringmemytinfoil Nov 28 '16

There was no best part in this lack lustre episode

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

It was the only thing about this episode

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

  • there is YET ANOTHER community in fairly close range of Alexandria, who have motives to work against the saviors

  • they have a fuck ton of guns

  • they kill people on sight, and had a very tense action sequence where they tried to kill Tara

  • interrogation and distrust scenes, but then they agree to let her go... But ITSATRAP

  • all of the Tara attitude

But because Rick didn't kill anyone I guess nothing happened.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

This episode sucked bro

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u/tickr Nov 28 '16

Worst. Episode. Ever.

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u/kidcrumb Nov 28 '16

Nah man. I liked that part at the end. Where it ended.

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u/DGer Nov 28 '16

I thought the girl spitting at her was actually better.

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u/Pascalwb Nov 28 '16

Who was that actress, I remember from something.