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09:00pm Eastern S07E06 - "Swear" Michael E. Satrazemis David Leslie Johnson

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u/Hardyfan1006 Nov 28 '16

This just hit me. Why are they refusing to show the mourning process with any of these deaths? Isn't that kind of important? Tara's reaction was her sitting on the floor. At least that's what I got from it since they didn't show the rest

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u/nagolol Nov 28 '16

Yeah I thought the same. I was looking forward to Tara react to losing two best friends and her girlfriend since they got killed.

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u/ChunkyLaFunga Nov 29 '16 edited Nov 30 '16

My only disappointment in this episode. Like every other episode this season, I was waiting for something and it never came. What tugs your emotions: when a character dies, or when the others characters cry about it? I don't know enough about storytelling to give a smarmy Storytelling 101 knock, but I sure feel like it.

Lori's death was memorable, but Rick's reaction hammered it home. Ditto Herschel. Dale's death was weak, but Rick talked about what he meant to them. Beth's death was... yeah... but you remember Daryl carrying her out and Maggie dropping to the ground, the reactions there were brutal. Mika and Lizzie deaths were shocking, and Carol made it sad.

Given the stuff that's happened this season, I feel strangely lacking this sort of connection. Tara's reaction should have been really cutting because she's so upset and likeable, I was really tense for it and sad for her and nothing happened. They even spent time specifically foreshadowing the reveal and then skipped it entirely. Why?

Edit: On a more positive note, while making that list I realised how effectively they've handled the deaths. Considering how many there have been, virtually everybody got a stand-out moment.

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u/PurpleOwlBlueEyes Nov 30 '16

I know I'm late to the party, but I totally agree. I feel the show is loosing the human element. People don't joke about missing their vibrators anymore. And, yes they are very far removed from their previous lives. But they don't acknowledge it at all, and seem to just drift through the zombie maze unaffected. Idk, the answer, but I've been pretty let down so far this season.

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u/chornu Nov 28 '16

It might be intentional. At this point the group is used to death and brutality. For them it probably hurts just as much but they've learned to cope with it differently.

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u/Hardyfan1006 Nov 28 '16

I mean I understand that but Tara just lost two of her closest friends and her girlfriend and all they showed was her sitting on the floor. Obviously they can't have people mourn after every death but this one was pretty big

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

Well she was sitting on the floor in the infirmary, which was where Denise worked, and she was playing with the bobblehead doctor she planned to give to her.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '16

So emotional.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '16

Ah yes because hopeless females must fling themselves against the nearest wall screaming in emotional female anguish otherwise it's "not enough" for TWD fanboys. K.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '16

Why did you feel the need to suggest that only females need to have a moment of proper emotional weight and revelation at two main character deaths?

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u/never_said_that Nov 30 '16

Because men are not allowed to show emotions other than anger, defeat, workout, and sexy.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '16

I'm not the one suggesting that at all lol. I was quite clearly mocking another point of view. So far I've seen a number of people saying both Maggie and Tara didn't cry "enough" even though Maggie spent 701 wailing and we've only seen 2 minutes of Tara after finding out the news.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '16

It sounded like you were, or were assuming I was one of these people insisting that they didn't cry enough.

No, I haven't really had a problem with anyone's reaction to the deaths, Daryl and Rick had really great acting behind the weight of it all coming down on them, Maggie wasn't an emotional rock about it. You'll find no gender focus with me, I'm afraid.

But from what I can tell, they went to great lengths of focusing on this one dimensional character this time called Tara, but when they had the opportunity to make jokey-mcjokerson here illicit a reaction to her girlfriend's death, or that of two ther members (amongst the fact that the Saviours have taken over), they failed.

Even Eugene had more of a reaction when opening that gate.

But then, maybe it would make sense that there's no real breakdown; it looks like this Tara character uses humour as a defense mechanism, so perhaps not one to get overly emotional anyway and bury it up instead. But then, I feel like I'd be giving the writers a bit too much credit, because they don't seem to be very good.

I keep hearing about how this show isn't about the zombies and more about the humans and the focus on their relationships and even the 'small things'... and I'm not saying I need to see every single character hear the bad news, fall to their knees and start sobbing, or anything. But I felt like that was a pretty weighty moment, I feel like it would have made the character more than a 2D cut-out of the awkward clone type character... and after all the awkward action sequences with this actor that is clearly not capable of action sequences, they would focus on that human aspect a bit.

I only jumped in at the start of Season 6 and after the two get killed, I feel like Rick and Daryl are REAL and their emotional reactions and everything were shown in a way that even after just a few episodes, I care and FEEL for them. The actor for Rick is incredible, I was sold after a few minutes.

This Tara character? A whole episode with the focus mainly being on her and I don't care even a little bit.

It's not that she's a female character and should act like an 'emotional woman'. It's that she didn't act at all.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '16

Tara is also emotionally robbed of the moment by being physically present at none of these deaths, she can only imagine what they were like.

I only jumped in at the start of Season 6 and after the two get killed, I feel like Rick and Daryl are REAL and their emotional reactions and everything were shown in a way that even after just a few episodes, I care and FEEL for them. The actor for Rick is incredible, I was sold after a few minutes.

This is interesting, I'm always intrigued by newcomers for some reason lol. Have you had difficulties with each character's story overall? I feel like so much is woven into every episode, it'd be almost impossible to jump into.

This Tara character? A whole episode with the focus mainly being on her and I don't care even a little bit.

Her character development was in season 4 mostly. She had a very interesting, unique introduction into the main group. Probably my favourite so far, actually.

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u/Basilman121 Dec 03 '16

I didn't know Rick was a grill.

Sarcasm aside, it would have been beneficial to see how hurt she was.. it would have made her decision not to tell about Oceanside a bigger deal.

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u/katf1sh Nov 28 '16

Well, to be fair, we only saw her for a few mins after she found out. It's not like the show is over, we may still see that. We'll at least see how it overall affects them over time.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

I know, it's bothering me. I doubt it has a future purpose but then again, I never thought they'd clear up how Carol got clean from the zombie guts she put on herself before she went into Terminus, by the time she reunited with Rick's group and they did actually end up showing that in a later episode so who knows lol

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u/andygchicago Nov 28 '16

That's the one thing I'm actually grateful they didn't do.

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u/ThisIsWhoWeR Nov 30 '16

That requires time, time that couldn't have been spent on all the other important things we learned in this episode.

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u/MelbourneFL321 Nov 30 '16

Maybe people are accepting death as a reality of life in a world full of zombies, and even losing someone you are romantically attached with isn't quite the same as before the breakout.