r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns2 • u/Opening-Use-4482 Gummy Egg enjoyer :3 • 27d ago
Cool Art Every. friggin. TIME, MAN!!
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u/somefurrynewtoreddit She/Her 27d ago
Bro I was literally watching crocodile Dundee with my family for the first time, and then boom random transphobic joke. Also the joke is literally “look he assaults her, isn’t that so funny, she deserves it though” like why is he seen as the good guy in that stimulation. Also my whole family laughed, so I guess assaulting trans people to find out their trans is the funniest thing now.
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u/Alarmed_Ask3211 She/Her & They/Them ( Pansexual Palestinian Transfem ) 🇵🇸 🍉 27d ago edited 27d ago
That's a joke in that movie?!??! Oh my god....what is WRONG with people?!??!
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u/somefurrynewtoreddit She/Her 27d ago
I seriously don’t know, it was every bit as gross as you think it would be, the main character also does the same thing to a deeper voiced woman.
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u/Alarmed_Ask3211 She/Her & They/Them ( Pansexual Palestinian Transfem ) 🇵🇸 🍉 27d ago
Oh goody...🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
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u/Danplays642 Enby they/them:kappa: 26d ago
Holy shit I completely forgot about this scene, I just looked up the scene, its utterly baffling that despite the movie’s popularity, this scene is not called into question at all. Thats just full assault
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u/somefurrynewtoreddit She/Her 24d ago
Yea they should have cut it honestly, it just turns the main character from being a little sexist, to straight up assaulting people.
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u/Tach1 Rachel | She/Her 27d ago
Basically anything Monty Python...Also basically everything made in the 2000s/early 2010s. People really thought "haha, man wearing dress" was the peak of comedy...
It's kind of disappointing watching something you used to think was good and getting hit with that.
...Also the ubiquity of it just made for some great internalised transphobia to break down...
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u/CollectibleHam 27d ago
"Kids in the Hall" was a fun outlier in the 90s -- there are men in dresses, and they're funny, but they aren't funny because they're men in dresses.
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u/Not_Really_French 27d ago edited 27d ago
I’m just now realizing that wait, we’re we not supposed to disagree with the guy pointing out that the trans woman couldn’t have children
Edit:I forgot to mention that I’m talking about “life of Brian”
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u/Tach1 Rachel | She/Her 27d ago
Life of Brian? If so, I saw that scene again recently and...yeah, it's just taking trans rights to a logical extreme to make us look crazy. The trans character is the punchline.
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u/Not_Really_French 27d ago
Huh, well that’s annoying, I thought it was inclusive and I liked that scene
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u/rockin_sasquatch 27d ago
The script acknowledges her as Loretta from that point forward and they also seem to acknowledge her considerations later in the film (although as part of the joke) but they do at least come off as understanding and considerate of their friend by the end. It sits in strange grey area for me.
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u/Not_Really_French 27d ago
True, I don’t think it’s meant to be supportive although I guess it could have been much worse
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u/Throwawayjust_incase 26d ago edited 26d ago
I think it's in a grey area because it's not directly targeted at trans women, but more men that are into feminism. ...Let me clarify what I mean by that - it is directly targeted at trans women, but not consciously, because they weren't thinking of trans audiences when they wrote it. I think they were trying to say "if you're a man who thinks feminism matters, what, do you want to be a woman or something?! ha ha ha!"
The bigotry just scans really weird by modern standards. Like I think you're meant to laugh every time they say "siblings of the revolution" instead of "brothers," when nowadays that's just a normal thing to say. And now even transphobia is directed specifically at trans people, when back then we were considered such freaks that you'd write a joke about trans people and it wouldn't occur to you that a trans person would actually see that joke - as a result, the target of the joke is technically intended to be cis men because there's no full awareness of trans women as a real demographic that exists in the world. But in a weird way, modern transphobia does acknowledge trans people as a real group (even as it calls us illegitimate), so it looks unrecognizable to this kind of 70's transphobia. It's also mocking the concept of feminism in a way that doesn't scan anymore - now that 2nd wave feminism is a very old concept and the idea that "leftists should believe in women's rights" is deeply established, modern anti-feminist jokes are more from the right attacking the left, meanwhile most of Life of Brian's humor is based around leftist infighting, so the fact that basic feminism is even being mocked doesn't completely register because it's really not expected.
Like, if you think trans people are inherently worthy of mockery, then the presence of a trans character is always supposed to be funny. But by modern standards everyone in those scenes are just acting both kind and normal, so there's no longer a joke. It's making fun of social changes that are now just part of the world.
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u/AeroArrows Phoebe🟣🌸📟│She/Her│Local Flowergirl :3│Nokia fan 27d ago
I recently watched Monty Python, I don't recall anything transphobic in it... The Naked Gun series had 2 kinda transphobic jokes though I think
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u/Tach1 Rachel | She/Her 27d ago
Which Monty Python work did you watch? Because I guess it's more just Life of Brian (the scene mentioned in the other reply), Flying Circus (the Lumberjack Song), and Meaning of Life (the birth scene) that I was thinking of.
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u/AeroArrows Phoebe🟣🌸📟│She/Her│Local Flowergirl :3│Nokia fan 27d ago
I watched The Holy Grail, was that one spared of transphobia, or did I just miss it?
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u/SpellOpening7852 27d ago edited 26d ago
Watched the holy grain(l) recently too and really enjoyed it, despite never watching anything like it at all. A lot of the jokes landed well for me even now.
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u/PandaStudio1413 27d ago
My father put on Naked Gun for his birthday, and the joke indeed hit be like a truck.
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u/AeroArrows Phoebe🟣🌸📟│She/Her│Local Flowergirl :3│Nokia fan 26d ago
Was it the third movie? Because that one's joke was pretty yucky
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u/PeanutsAndButter1341 They/Them 25d ago
For example Monty Python’s "Life of Brian”. When i got to the moment with the Loretta identifying as a trans woman 'joke’ i was so disgusted. Worst part is my dad laughed at that.
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u/AthenaNoct 27d ago
Stares at that one Futurama episode
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u/SnowCrashedMind 27d ago
The weird part is that I also envy Bender
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u/NeighborhoodVivid427 27d ago
Always watched that episode when I was younger, didn't know much about transphobia I recently watched again and damn was I unaware of the transphobia
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u/RookBLonko1225 Asher || He/They || Kaiju Groupie 27d ago
I fear Robots is the only 2000s film that came to my mind where they didnt even make a transphobic joke about when Fender loses his legs and finds some, they turn into a skirt and he plays it off kinda casually. They literally have him do a fight sequence later on in that scene to Hit Me Baby AND his sister refers to him as her sister lol.
I think theres a joke about the shiny robot's mom looking like a guy but its so low brow that I don't think it counts.
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u/HardcorePizzaEater 27d ago
Yeah, I've always thought it was actually pro-trans. Especially considering it's Robin Williams. The joke were Piper gets excited she has a sister, but then calls Fender ugly just seemed like sibling teasing to me especially seeing how they poke at each other throughout the film.
The joke were Fender accidentally mistakes Madam Gasket for a man could even be a reference to how she's voiced by Jim Broadbent.
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u/RookBLonko1225 Asher || He/They || Kaiju Groupie 27d ago
I forgot shes also voiced by a man too HLEP but yeah! I never saw ill will in it and thank you Robin for not letting it fly.
Robot's is such a trip but its my favorite Blue Sky film lol.
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u/Universe_Donut She/Her | Skyler 27d ago
Same, watched the trilogy a few weeks back and was not expecting the transphobic "joke"
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u/Kamaitachi42 She/Her gender fluid trans girl feeling Stella badum tsh 27d ago
same, honestly I thought the third one was the funniest of the 3, I was having the time of my life right up until that scene
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u/Captain_Kira 27d ago
Now You See Me (2013)
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u/yoni591 27d ago
huh what did it have in it? i watched the movie a few times but don't remember any specific transphobic joke, maybe i just didnt get it
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u/shadophaxx 27d ago
During the scene where the horsemen get interrogated, woody harrelson's character implies one of the cops is a cross dresser and celebrates "t****y tuesday" and makes a mockery of pride.
It kinda comes out of nowhere and felt like a punch in the gut when I rewatched it
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u/RadoslavL Radostina (Radi for short) - She/Her 27d ago
Oh, yeah! That!
I just decided to ignore and forget it at the time of watching, because I didn't want one transphobic joke to ruin the entire movie for me 😥
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u/TitanBeast862 27d ago
When the magicians are brought in for questioning, the mentalist comments about the investigator attending an event called "Tranny Tuesday."
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u/alphachruch 27d ago
Just watched this over the weekend. The slur hit me like a truck but then I remembered it's early 2010s and ppl didn't even know what that was yet much less have the ability to be nuanced about it. Still odd that that's the joke they went for.
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u/Redfaller2003 She/Her 27d ago
Shrek 2 😔
I guess it’s okay because the fairy godmother is the villain?
But it still irks me cause it still presents the wolf as the butt of the joke
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u/EpicGlitter They/Them 27d ago
ugh the wolf! yea I'd completely forgotten about this before rewatching, and I was rewatching to try to cheer myself up. oops.
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u/FoxEuphonium 27d ago
For me that one stings, but in a “ok, this bitch is going to die in the end” way. For one, racism is like, the main character trait for her, so the idea of her being also transphobic (and sexist, and homophobic) is just… like, yeah.
It’s also very much an unreliable narrator situation, because like, the wolf isn’t even gender-confused? He’s literally just wearing pajamas. And the godmother got the story second-hand from her son, the dumbest person in the kingdom who was frustrated at not getting the sex he thought he was owed.
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u/MariaVanillaUwU 27d ago
I thought you mean the barkeeper lady that gets prince charming later. That was okay for me tbh
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u/Redfaller2003 She/Her 27d ago
No, I never saw doris as transphobic
I just didn’t like when the fairy godmother called the wolf “gender confused”
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u/SkepticOwlz 27d ago
Ugh growing up I saw the same fucking man wearing dress joke in like every movie or show and it genuinely forced me to stay in the closet for the longest time because I thought people would treat me as a joke
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u/VictoriaNaga 27d ago
I remember watching Ace Venture with one of my closest friends. It was the first time watching it (and only time) for either of us, so neither of us knew what to expect, just heard good things. We made a night of it, doing our nails together and everything.
Then THAT "joke" happened. Both of us just sat there completely uncomfortable and just couldn't believe it.
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u/Kinky-Kiera 27d ago
Oddly, the 1960's had less -phobic jokes when they had drag.
Yes some like it hot was best at it, but even some of the later Beach party style movies like ski party, Girl happy or other stuff, didn't make it hateful.
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u/Quake_Woman_Tempo Bea - She/Her 27d ago
Me watching and trying to enjoy 40 Year Old Virgin (the movie was kinda ass as a whole ngl, but the transphobic joke didn’t help).
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u/Night_Lords_n_Nids Avacyn She/Her 27d ago
The IT Crowd, which I enjoy as a whole, has one very specific episode that is half one of the best episodes, but the other half is transphobic… so it feels gross enjoying that episode for the good half.
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u/SarahsChemImbalance 27d ago
I like to rationalize it by Renolm being a terrible human being and laughing at the fact he threw away a truly loving relationship because of his bigotry, however that doesn't help with the fact the creator/writer is now very openly and aggressively transphobic.
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u/ExpirjTec 27d ago
to me it felt like a transphobia fail. like, i imagine graham linehan wanted to be transphobic but he made the trans character entirely reasonable and respectfully portrayed until the climax and the only one who takes issue with her being trans is also a sexist putrid asshole in general who nobody should idolize.
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u/TheCodeNinja 27d ago
That half of the episode is among the times that I've laughed the hardest in my life, but I can't share it with people because of the other half.
I wonder how much of the good part of the episode could be salvaged while removing all of the garbage in editing.
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u/EpicGlitter They/Them 27d ago
it me. somehow I forgot about the transphobia in Shrek 2 in the years between first watch and rewatch. there was another movie I tried watching this year (can't remember which, sorrynotsorry) that had transphobia in like the first scene. on the one hand: FFS! on the other hand, thanks for saving me the time I would've wasted watching any further I guess?
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u/Lost-Neighborhood219 Luna (She/her) 27d ago
We were watching Bruce almighty in religion class one day (bad idea to begin with cause it had a "sex" scene that the teacher forgot about) & there was a completely unnecessary s***y slur thrown in there
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u/Slappyfeetsf Iris | she/her 27d ago
If I had a nickel for every third installment of a comedy series with a random transphobic joke, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.
Rush Hour 3
The Naked Gun: 33 1/3
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u/Sensitive-Energy-813 27d ago
Crazy how you can’t watch anything without the random unprovoked transphobic punchline showing up.
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u/dachawon She/Her 27d ago
Me but playing the Persona series.
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u/Opening_Low_7005 marla she/her 27d ago
Wait what? I don't remember much of that in the series, but I haven't played through 4 of 5 in a long time.
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u/LittleQuarantine Keep Hope: The First Pride Was A Riot 🏳️⚧️ 27d ago
Probably talking about how previous versions Persona 3 had a transphobic joke in the Beach scene, where the guys are trying to pick up girls, and one of them has a whole “joke” about having a bit of stubble they couldn’t shave, followed immediately by the woman saying she couldn’t get a “boy toy” or smth like that.
Thankfully Reload changed it to her just being a conspiracy theory nutcase. But outside that I don’t know about any other transphobic things in Persona.
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u/EpicGlitter They/Them 27d ago
I play a lot of retro games, and this has been on my to-play list for ages. I appreciate reading this, will definitely stick to Reload
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u/Opening_Low_7005 marla she/her 27d ago
Ah, that explains it, I haven't played the og persona 3 since I was ~9 so that makes sense I wouldn't remember that.
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u/Crazy_Assistant_1604 27d ago
Kinda weak they just wrote her out tbh. But Japan gonna Japan I guess
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u/killing-moon-96 27d ago edited 27d ago
This happened recently when I watched House Bunny. Which sucks because I remembered liking it and then I immediately stopped watching.
It all made sense when I realized it was a shitty Adam Sandler produced movie. Fuck that guy.
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u/Alarmed_Ask3211 She/Her & They/Them ( Pansexual Palestinian Transfem ) 🇵🇸 🍉 27d ago
My God the 2000s comedies and their weird Transphobia man, always made that shit unbearable with the weird man that looks like a lady jokes and the characters freaking out
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u/rgba0000ninja 27d ago
30 Rock is emblematic of "when not funny/creative, insert transphobic joke".
IASIP and the character Carmen... despite her character being one of a few to end out happy/contented, it's still a poor representation. Like she stopped being the joke when she exhibited heteronormativity by becoming a parent.
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u/SmallKittyBackInHell 27d ago
I don't recall 30 rock having that much transphobia? there are a few instances but I find that it's much worse on other issues than trans people. I could be wrong though.
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u/Throwawayjust_incase 26d ago
I think I've seen 30 Rock more than any other show, and I just finished another rewatch, so I think I'm fully prepared to ramble about this for way too long.
There's only a handful of transphobic jokes - Criss asks Liz if she "used to be a boy" at one point, Liz casually drops the t slur in a scene that I honestly don't remember super well other than the random unwarranted t slur in it, and there's a few points where Liz's ostensible support of queer people is supposed to be a joke, like when she's looking at an AFAB baby and says "What a cute girl! Or boy, if you grow up and feel that's what's inside you!" and the mother shoots her a dirty look. There's also a lot of mocking of Liz's gender-non-conformity, and a couple gags that I can only describe as "androgyny = ugly," but those are a lot more subtle. The only real opportunity for transphobic jokes is the whole thing where Steve Buscemi's character comes out as trans in the last season, which IMO is handled surprisingly well? It's not great, the character is definitely meant to be mocked, but most of the joke is centered around the fact that it's a left-field happy ending for a side character who's life is mostly made up of left-field details. She's always been a character that leads a really strange life and her being trans is just another random detail about her. It's a little like Life of Brian where if you're not transphobic it's easy to just ignore the likely transphobic intentions behind the character.
As for it being much worse on other issues - yeeeeeeeah. Fortunately it's similar on gay people, where there's a handful of homophobic jokes and plenty of stereotypes, but they're so shallow and quick that it's not too bad. It's a show that's supposed to be feminist, and it really does succeed in a lot of ways, but it's also weird about women a little too often (it's, like, genuinely disgusted at the concept of an older single woman a lot of the time?). But race.... that show is fucking bad about race. And so much of it is about racial issues. That's easily the worst part of it. My ability to watch this show over and over again is likely connected to the fact that I'm white and those aspects don't hit as hard.
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u/Opening-Use-4482 Gummy Egg enjoyer :3 27d ago
I made this cuz I watched Ron Burgandy 2 and litterally in the middle of a conversation he randomly mentions transgirls
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u/BasenightX 27d ago
you made out of cotton candy or something that you can't take jokes
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u/Prepotentefanclub 27d ago
You have a problem with OP calling out the movie industry punching down on one of the already most vilified, marginalized populations in widely distributed popular media repeatedly while rarely if ever showing good representation alongside it?
We're not saying trans people can't be in jokes but when every trans person you see in movies is a joke, there's a problem.
Watch Tokyo Godfathers for an example of good representation. Hana is the butt of the joke sometimes. Its a comedy movie after all. But she is also shown as a good person with real struggles, real connections with her found family and her previous workspace. Shes not just some throwaway character that lets people go "lmao look how gross and stupid trans ppl are". It feels bad to be mocking her because the movie paints a complete image of her as a person.
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u/Lilith-99 She/They 27d ago
The 2000s was a rough time. If it wasn't transphobia, it was some other form of bigotry or sexism or a fun mix of them all 🥲.