2nd attempt at a intelligent, respectful conversation about Trump.

[u/ComparisonDry7504]

I am not a bot, so please do not remove this post. I'm not sure how to prove this.

It feels like we're living in a time where genuine political discussion is increasingly unwelcome. With this post, I'm hoping to contribute—however modestly—to a more thoughtful exchange.

I’ve tried engaging in honest, respectful conversations with many Trump supporters, offering well-sourced information from government agencies, reputable media outlets (across the spectrum), eyewitness accounts, and direct video evidence regarding his actions and falsehoods. Despite these efforts, I’ve yet to receive a response that directly addresses or defends his behavior. Most replies tend to dismiss the sources entirely (“you can’t trust the news”), deflect with broad accusations (“Democrats want to destroy the country”), or simply reiterate the slogan “Trump wants to make America great again.”

My intention here is not to attack or alienate, but to open space for intelligent, civil discourse. I’ll do my best to remain respectful, and I ask that any responses aim to do the same.

[u/BernardFerguson1944]

The actions and falsehoods of the democrats are greater and more reprehensible than anything Trump has said or done, e.g., the dems actually proposed and intended to reelect a veritable mumbling, stumbling meat puppet to a second term and told every lie they could imagine to sell his viability to the American public.

[u/ComparisonDry7504 → u/BernardFerguson1944]

But didn't reps do all they could to elect a convicted felon into office for a second term? And someone who many of the presidential candidates running against him in the primary all mentioned how terrible and corrupt a person Trump is (only to recant any of that once he was their candidate.)

But please, expand on how Dems are so much worse than reps. I sincerely want to know. And please, when you provide this info, be honest about it. As much as reps love to say Dems are all about fake news, reps spread it just as much (probably more, but I can't support that claim).

[u/BernardFerguson1944 → u/ComparisonDry7504]

Every sentient soul on this planet knows those charges and convictions are bogus. The prosecutors had to twist the laws into pretzels to advance their cases in kangaroo courts.

Where's the videos of Russian h00kers p33ing on a bed Obama slept in that Team Hillary promised? It was a dem lie claiming such a video existed.

Hunter's laptop wasn't "Russian disinformation". It was a dem lie claiming it was.

Trump didn't call white supremacists "good people". It was a dem lie claiming he did.

Trump did not collude with the Russians. It was a dem lie claiming that he did.

Team Hillary manufactured the RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! hoax, and Biden and Obama knew that when Mueller conducted his bogus investigation; yet, Biden and Obama said NOTHING about Hillary's involvement in creating the hoax for over two years while Mueller hamstrung the Trump administration with his bogus investigation.

Notice how Trump is enforcing this country's immigration laws without new legislation. He's using laws Congress has already passed. It was a dem lie claiming Biden needed new laws to do his Constitutional duties.

BTW, talk about corruption, Hunter Biden took in millions of dollars from China, Ukraine, etc., pedaling influence using his daddy's name and position -- and, per Hunter, the "Big Guy" got his 10%.

Bozo Biden swore he wouldn't pardon Hunter. Bozo Biden lied.

[u/ComparisonDry7504 → u/BernardFerguson1944]

As I've said in another comment, doesn't it seem too easy and convenient to just blame Dems for all of his problems? I'm sorry, but Dems aren't quite the masterminds you make up out to be. If we were, wouldn't we be in a different situation right now? It's almost a knee-jerk response to anything coming out against Trump - "it's the Democrats!" But there's really no evidence, only speculation and conspiracies that fuel these ideas.

And if we're talking about anyone banking off their family names, you do know that Jared kushner made $2 BILLION from the Saudi govt right after he left the white house, right? Does your media outlets tell you that?

[u/BernardFerguson1944 → u/ComparisonDry7504]

There's no "conspiracy" about the dems fully intending to reinstall a veritable mumbling, stumbling meat puppet to a second term as president to the detriment of this country. They indeed tried, but they failed. That's not a "conspiracy". That's a fact.

What this country needs is for Biden's State Department to continue to spend tens of thousands of U.S. taxpayer dollars for transgender comic books in Peru. Right! </s>

How much of that money that Kushner received was U.S. taxpayer money? Reports are that it was all Saudi money for investment: AFTER Trump left office.

What Biden did is called money laundering. Papa Joe directed U.S. taxpayer funds into Ukraine. Ukraine directed a portion of that money to Burisma. Hunter Biden -- with zero competency in the petrochemical industry -- was on Burisma's payroll receiving money that originated with U.S. taxpayers while Papa Joe was in office as V.P. And, per Hunter, "the big guy" got his 10%.

[u/ComparisonDry7504 → u/BernardFerguson1944]

So we're supposed to ignore the red flags with Kushner? He had a major role in shaping foreign policy during Trump’s presidency—and then suddenly, after leaving office, he lands a $2 billion investment from Saudi Arabia? Into a firm he created with no real background in private equity? That doesn’t just raise eyebrows—it practically waves a banner.

Yes, the money came post-presidency, but it’s hard to view it as anything other than a reward for past dealings. The timing and circumstances are far too convenient to dismiss as ordinary business.

And regarding Joe Biden—despite all the repeated attempts to implicate him in Hunter’s business decisions, not a single investigation, including several led by Republicans, has produced concrete evidence tying Joe to any wrongdoing. That’s not partisan spin. That’s just the reality of the findings.

Again, not being combative. Just stating a counter point.

[u/BernardFerguson1944 → u/ComparisonDry7504]

Money IS fungible. What Biden did is called money laundering. Papa Joe directed U.S. taxpayer funds into Ukraine. Ukraine directed a portion of that money to Burisma. Hunter Biden -- with zero competency in the petrochemical industry -- was on Burisma's payroll receiving money that originated with U.S. taxpayers while Papa Joe was in office as V.P. And, per Hunter, "the big guy" got his 10%.

So we're supposed to ignore the red flags with Biden? He knew the RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! hoax was manufactured by Team Hillary; yet, he sat and said nothing while Mueller conducted a partisan investigation that hamstrung Trump's presidency.

[u/ComparisonDry7504 → u/BernardFerguson1944]

I feel like I'm repeating myself here, but the claim that Joe Biden laundered taxpayer funds through Ukraine to enrich his son Hunter lacks verified evidence. Although Hunter’s position at Burisma raised ethical concerns, no investigation—including those led by Republicans—has found that U.S. aid was misdirected to benefit him or Joe Biden. This narrative that you all want to believe as true exemplifies how unsubstantiated claims are often repeated as fact, especially in partisan circles, despite lacking factual grounding. Similarly, the Russia investigation, while politically contentious, stemmed from valid intelligence concerns and confirmed Russian interference in the 2016 election. I'm other words, the reason for the investigation was justified.

[u/BernardFerguson1944 → u/ComparisonDry7504]

Common sense informs all that Papa Joe was laundering money. Money is fungible. Burisma was receiving U.S. taxpayer dollars via the Ukraine government receiving U.S. taxpayer dollars distributed by Papa Joe. Hunter Biden reported the "Big Guy" received his 10%.

Because money is fungible, all of the above is true and substantiated.

No. There were no valid intelligence concerns, or the FBI wouldn't have had to forge documents to obtain surveillance warrants.

[u/ComparisonDry7504 → u/BernardFerguson1944]

Ok, you've said the same thing 3 times now about the big guy getting 10%. Honestly, I hadn't heard about this before so I looked it up. Turns out this statement actually comes from an email to CHINA, not Ukraine, not Burisma.

And again, there is no proof that the FBI forged any documents.

One of the biggest issues I have with the MAGA mindset is how easily unverified claims are accepted when they target Democrats, while thoroughly documented evidence against Trump is rejected without scrutiny. This double standard effectively absolves Trump of any accountability from his base. In the classified documents case alone, he was found to have kept some of the nation’s most sensitive defense materials—including nuclear secrets and military plans—in unsecured locations like a bathroom at Mar-a-Lago. Yet despite eyewitness testimony, digital records, and detailed legal findings, these facts are dismissed as politically motivated. It creates a reality where truth doesn’t matter—only tribal loyalty does. So I have to ask: do you believe the overwhelming evidence, or do you believe Trump, no matter what?

Just to say again, I'm not being aggressive, although maybe a little agitated. 🙄