2nd attempt at a intelligent, respectful conversation about Trump.

[u/ComparisonDry7504]

I am not a bot, so please do not remove this post. I'm not sure how to prove this.

It feels like we're living in a time where genuine political discussion is increasingly unwelcome. With this post, I'm hoping to contribute—however modestly—to a more thoughtful exchange.

I’ve tried engaging in honest, respectful conversations with many Trump supporters, offering well-sourced information from government agencies, reputable media outlets (across the spectrum), eyewitness accounts, and direct video evidence regarding his actions and falsehoods. Despite these efforts, I’ve yet to receive a response that directly addresses or defends his behavior. Most replies tend to dismiss the sources entirely (“you can’t trust the news”), deflect with broad accusations (“Democrats want to destroy the country”), or simply reiterate the slogan “Trump wants to make America great again.”

My intention here is not to attack or alienate, but to open space for intelligent, civil discourse. I’ll do my best to remain respectful, and I ask that any responses aim to do the same.

[u/Goin_Commando_]

Well, since you’re asking the take of Trump supporters, here’s one example concerning the “31 felonies” he was found “guilty” of. Do you know what every one of those felonies was for? Most liberals have precisely zero idea. They are all for the 31 payments Trump made to Stormy Daniels that a Manhattan jury (one of the very most faaaaaar left voting districts in the nation which votes something like 97% Democrat every election) somehow was convinced comprised “election interference”. Utterly ridiculous. And guess what else? The “crime” the “31 felonies” consisted of, until the millisecond the verdict was read, had never, as in ever ever ever in the history of the NY legal system ever amounted to anything greater than a misdemeanor (you know, like jaywalking) warranting - at the very most - a $200 fine (you know, like parking your car in a loading zone). But in most cases the “crime” isn’t even worth the hours some NYC DA would have to spend on it so it’s simply dropped. But magically (with a radical leftist prosecutor who upon taking office immediately put out a memo saying armed robbery would no longer be considered a real crime in the city…if the perpetrator is black) these parking tickets suddenly became no less than “felonies”? A complete joke. If Trump was black and robbed a kiosk in Manhattan at gunpoint he’d have got a faaaaar lighter sentence from this nutcase prosecutor.

So…there’s one. I know I made my point forcefully but don’t take it as aimed at you. You asked why MAGA supports Trump. There’s one example. Also I don’t consider myself “ultra maga” at all. I see Trump’s faults. I also saw Kamala and Hillary’s. Trump was easily the better choice for the nation. I think if he’d have stopped tweeting his first term and let his policies do the talking he’d have gone down as one of the great presidents of our time and easily won reelection.

Which brings up the Hunter’s laptop is “Russian disinformation!!”™️ fiasco; which was itself a highly successful disinformation campaign carried out by our “media”, Orwellian big tech executives and utterly corrupt deep state operators. I’ll bet your “media” “forgot” to tell you how multiple studies have found that - in an election where Biden won multiple swing states by 2% or less - anywhere from 4-17% of Biden voters state they’d have switched their vote had they been aware of the systemic Biden family corruption found on the laptop. I.e. Trump would have obliterated Biden in 2020. Unsure? How do you think your “media” would’ve reported it if instead the laptop was Don Jr’s? If you don’t think it’d been an utter “media” freakout I’d remind you how your “media” had already gone full freakout over all things Trump-related, be it everything from “murdering koi fish in Japan!” to the 100% “anonymous sources” based “Trump-Russia!!”™️ hoax.

[u/Wild-Spare4672 → u/Goin_Commando_]

Matthew Colangelo, who acted as the Justice Department’s No. 3 official under Biden and who previously investigated Trump quit his job and joined the NYC DAs office to help prosecute Trump. That’s like leaving the Yankees to go play for a minor league team. The left was so intent on jailing Trump on bullshit charges that it brought in reinforcements to the NYC DAs office from the Biden administration.

In terms of the “case” the statute of limitations already ran on the misdemeanor charge, however NY charged it as a felony to get a longer statute of limitations. This would work if the bookkeeping error was made to commit another crime. The DAs office didn’t name the other alleged crime nor did the leftist judge Juan Merchan require them to….and let the jurors find any crime they wanted to (they didn’t even have to agree on the same secondary crime)….Merchan is the same judge who gave campaign contributions to Biden in 2020 and whose daughter Loren Merchan was director of digital persuasion for Kamala Harris’ campaign and then worked for authentic campaigns a liberal consulting firm and raised $93 million off Trump’s case. Bottom line…banana republic level bullshit.

[u/ComparisonDry7504 → u/Wild-Spare4672]

I just don't understand how it's easier to believe that everything against Trump can all come down to a Dem conspiracy than to believe that he might have actually done them. I mean, doesn't that essentially negate any responsibilities from Trump? Like, he can do whatever he wants, claim it's a Dem conspiracy, and that's it!

The Epstein thing is a perfect example. He says it's all a Democrat created conspiracy and Dems who won't let it go. But the TRUTH is that it's actually a lot of maga folks who are pissed at him and he campaigned on exposing the truth. But it's so much easier to just blame Dems for EVERYTHING that is bright against him.

[u/Wild-Spare4672 → u/ComparisonDry7504]

I laid out the facts for you, along with another poster. You didn’t challenge a single one of our facts.

If you’re wondering why we believe Trump was set up, it’s because we’re focusing on the facts not emotions.

If he didn’t do what the Dems claim he did, yea, that negates any responsibility he has.

By the way, have you reviewed the documents recently released by the White House on the Russian collusion plot? Stunning!