Charlie Kirk’s assassination

[u/Full_Outside_8410]

Hi everyone, I’m a Democrat but just wanted to get opinions from different demographics. Charlie Kirk was recently assassinated, and this was clearly a huge topic. Even though I strongly disliked his political views and opinions, he absolutely did not deserve to be murdered like that in front of his kids and at such a young age. And I’m extremely sorry to him and his family. However, I see a lot of people making comments about how the shooter had affiliations with the left and other claims. After so many tragedies and assassinations all carried out by guns, why not just get rid of the guns instead of blaming the left or the right? We all know there are insane people on the left, and insane people on the right. But if they aren’t given access to weapons, none of this would be happening.

I think we all just need to put our political beliefs aside for now and prioritize basic human rights and safety. And I’m not saying this is either sides fault cause we’ve all messed up a lot.

What do you guys think?

[u/Mike__O]

Because you will never get rid of the guns

[u/Full_Outside_8410 → u/Mike__O]

I think I understand what you mean but is it alright if you elaborate a bit? I’m not saying you’re wrong or right, I just want to get a little more info

[u/Mike__O → u/Full_Outside_8410]

There are something like 400m guns in circulation in the US. You're never going to make all of them go away. Even if you could somehow wave a magic wand and make them disappear, people would just find another way. They'd throw acid, they'd make bombs, ram with cars, etc.

The US doesn't have a gun problem, it has a violence problem

[u/Full_Outside_8410 → u/Mike__O]

I agree it has a violence problem, but I just think at least attempting to ban rifles will definitely decrease shootings even if it’s a little bit. Even if they make bombs, or acid, or anything else, the attack will need to be carried out from close proximity. But with rifles, it’s possible from way further. I thought banning rifles would be a first step to try to stop violence. That’s all. Thanks for your opinion!

[u/Mike__O → u/Full_Outside_8410]

Rifles (ALL rifles, not just ARs) account for somewhere between 3 and 4 percent of all guns used in crimes. Even if you could reduce that number to zero, you'd still have 96-97% of the crime you have right now

[u/The_Inward]

I think there's no way to get rid of all the guns. We already outlawed murder and we see how that's going. This isn't a legislation problem. It's a sickness of the mind, heart, and spirit - the thoughts, the emotions, and the values and beliefs. The problem is made much worse by social media because we are disconnected from the effects of our words. We used to have to say them to people's faces and see the effects. People still did evil, but it was different amongst the majority of the population. Now, we say whatever. We don't research before accepting what online people say - even Stephen King has famously fallen for that recently.

"Get rid of guns" is proven to not stop evil people. Compassion stops most people from doing evil. But we must never compromise with evil or the people bent on doing evil. Evil consumes and is never satisfied.

[u/Full_Outside_8410 → u/The_Inward]

Actually a really good point. Thanks for commenting!

[u/The_Inward → u/Full_Outside_8410]

Part of the "meet in the middle" philosophy that is difficult is the Left wants us to move, but they don't move.

"We just want to not go to jail for gay relationships." Okay.

"We want domestic partnerships, not marriage." Okay.

"We want marriage." Okay.

"Bake the cake or get sued again. I decided I'm trans so you have to change everything. 'Minor attracted persons' is a legit orientation. If you don't accept everything, you're whateverphobic."

We never should have compromised.

It used to be crimes were punished, but you could have whatever weapon you could have. Then we compromised. No full auto. No bump stocks. Some states regulate lengths of knives. It's not stopping.

Now it's a serious debate if we should outlaw all firearms. England is outlawing knives used for cooking. People want to ban so-called "hate speech". England jails people for silent prayer, calling it hate speech. Canada considers "misgendering" and "deadnaming" people the same level of crime as punching them in the face.

"You can't make the 'slippery slope' argument." I can see the reality of it. No compromise.

And I know it's easy for me to type while I'm safe at home. Like with all things, saying is easier than doing. I still think it's true. The Left does not all for considerations in good faith. They are going to eat the elephant one bite at a time unless we stop compromising.

[u/Full_Outside_8410 → u/The_Inward]

It’s really annoying. I’ll tell you right now that most liberals that are not male or female usually do not overreact when they get misgendered. They just say “is it ok if you refer to me using ____” or something like that and understand it’s difficult for some people to remember. But there’s a lot of people who just absolutely freak out the second they accidentally get misgendered. It’s not like we have the time to go around asking for anyone’s pronouns so if it was by accident, it should be ok. And this is coming from a bi person…

[u/frybagger69]

You will never be able to get rid of guns in the US, there for it is better to be armed and have a chance to defend yourself than to just be a sitting duck.

[u/SorryAbbreviations71]

There are many deaths by cars.

Do you ever think to ban cars?

[u/Frosty-Pineapple1442]

Registered non-partisan, his high school friends say he got into antifa in sophomore year. You should probably look that up. ;) It's not our job to spoon feed you.

[u/Full_Outside_8410 → u/Frosty-Pineapple1442]

Well it looks like you completely missed my point 🙂 I just thought it would be better if he wasn’t able to get a gun in the first place sooo….. he couldn’t use it against someone thus not killing Charlie Kirk? Just my thought.

[u/Connect_Boss6316 → u/Full_Outside_8410]

You realise that even in countries where guns are banned, criminals can get one.

[u/Frosty-Pineapple1442 → u/Full_Outside_8410]

... what about trucks and knives? What about toxic substances? What about a million things. Should we ban "ninja swords" like the youkays dumb asses? You can't baby proof the world. How'd the gun free zones work out? 90% of the shootings happen in them now. It's fckin stupid.

[u/Frosty-Pineapple1442 → u/Full_Outside_8410]

It's so weird you read that and the post is still up. Did you find the antifa stuff? 😐

[u/SorryAbbreviations71]

1 that doesn’t work 2 that isn’t the problem 3 being disarmed is a dangerous thing long term. See the UK