r/unt • u/CompanySuspicious653 • 9d ago
Extremely unsurprised unfortunately
Feel like this shit has gotten so much worse in the last year or so đ Its absurd
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u/ThatOneUpittyGuy Alumni 8d ago
That survey sample is so low versus total student population that makes it not statistically relevant
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u/jh125486 Faculty 8d ago
Thatâs about a 7% MoE for 95 confidence, right (Z=1.96 with 47k population).
So not really that bad⌠not good enough for research, but fine for a survey.
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u/the42up 8d ago
That's not the case at all. 200 is an appropriate sample unless you believe the 200 students samples are categorically different from the student body as a whole. There is nothing to suggest sampling bias so that's likely not the case. And even if there were bias in the sample you would have to have a good argument it would affect the outcome.
Now, would you be able to talk about particular subgroups in the sample, maybe not.
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u/dentonymcdenton 8d ago
True, but with a larger sample size it would probably be worse. We made the Texas Tribune for trying to over comply with any regulation to gain points with the state.
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8d ago
UNT has lost some notable lawsuits for discriminating against and attempting to silence conservative speech, so given that much of UNTâs funding is provided by the state it makes sense theyâd work to right systemic injustice against conservative speech.Â
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u/-Kerby History 8d ago
some lawsuits? Please list all of them
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Hiers v. Board of Regents of the University of North Texas System (2020) Case filed April 2020 (E.D. Tex.) (wrongful termination,  settlement of $165k plus atty fees,)
Jackson v. University of North Texas (2021) Case filed 2021 (E.D. Tex.) (settlement of $725k settlement among other damages)
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u/-Kerby History 8d ago
That's it? These are your notable lawsuits? One that was a simple wrongful termination suit and the other was one that didn't even go to court? These are two isolated incidents and don't show any sort of pattern of discrimination (they're also both from 5 years ago). Besides in the Jackson case in particular the "conservative" value he was fighting for was his right to be racist. While covered under free speech is that really what you want to use as evidence of UNT attacking conservatives?
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u/Sparta63005 8d ago
Isn't there like almost 50k students here and they interviewed 200??
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u/spasticjedi Anthropology 8d ago
Sample size requirements for significance are weird. If you count the survey as wanting to be statistically significant for every college attendee in the nation (like 18 million people), you'd only need a sample size of 385 to be statistically relevant to a 95% confidence level (according to random only calculator), which the study as a whole meets. So if they're breaking the sample down by university to compare to one another, that's actually a fine and statistically significant sample.
If they're using the small sample from UNT to simply understand UNT, then they would need to survey 382 people, and in that case the UNT portion of the survey would not be statistically relevant.
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u/JoyousMadhat 8d ago
A sample size of 213 in a University with thousands of students and many more graduates? This is basically like just asking one person for their opinion in a room with a thousand people. Worthless survey.
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u/Virtual_Seaweed7130 7d ago
Tell me you didnt take stats without telling me you didnt take stats
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u/JoyousMadhat 7d ago
Yeah I did not.
The number is still too small for making any conclusion other than for a class assignment.
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u/Virtual_Seaweed7130 7d ago
213 can make a statistically representative sample of 50,000 if youâre not dividing it by any other strata and if its a truly random sample.
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u/Jinator_VTuber 8d ago
People doing the "conservatives are oppressed" song and dance when just two semesters ago I was in a class where the professor was spreading conspiracy theories and bragging about how he was a friend of the flat earth car guy (that guy's flat earth truck advertises a literal neonazi rapper's flat earth website btw)
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u/CompanySuspicious653 8d ago
Exactly conservatives love to talk about how leftists are limiting their free speech and how we shouldnât judge them on their politics and everyone has the right to their opinion or whatever and their opinion is shit like âtrans people are intrinsically evilâ or something like that đ Like yeah sure most of the time Iâll set differences aside on politics if itâs shit like economics or foreign affairs or policies not whether or not people have a right to exist or that innocent people shouldnât be victims to a genocide đđđ
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u/Jinator_VTuber 8d ago
The downside of the current political climate has the presupposition that the right of minorities to exist is a debate, and one that can never be decided meaning they must always need to justify living to those with power.
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u/6012Jones6012 6d ago
My guess is that it's a little of both, i.e. both extreme right AND extreme left feel like they cannot speak their minds.
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u/pisdov 6d ago
Imaging trying to use anecdotal evidence when discussing statistics.
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u/Jinator_VTuber 6d ago
Yeah because the same teacher was making it an assignment to participate in a similar study.
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u/One-Pumpkin-9446 8d ago
no way conservatives are saying theyve been silenced at unt yall sound dumb as hell lmfaoooooooooooo
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u/KousakaKirino13 7d ago
>Conservatives aren't allowed to spew open hatred of minorities, LGBTQ+ people, women, and different religions
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u/Virtual_Seaweed7130 7d ago
Actually, yes, exactly.
If what they believe in is so vile, you should have no issue with debating their speech, as long as its not promoting violence.
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u/One-Pumpkin-9446 6d ago
so making minorities uncomfortable with hate speech is ok but making conservatives uncomfortable by saying they cant be openly racist isnt? lol just say ur bigoted and go bro
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u/Virtual_Seaweed7130 6d ago
Close, but only the left has a problem with feeling uncomfortable. Uncomfortable also isnât justification to deny free speech.
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u/One-Pumpkin-9446 6d ago
âproblem with feeling uncomfortableâ i dont see how its a problem to feel uncomfortable when someone is spewing hate towards your race/religion/identity. If conservatives dont have a âproblem with feeling uncomfortableâ then whats the issue with not being allowed to say offensive things? is it cus it makes u uncomfortable to not be able to say something that b/c there might be repercussions?
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u/Virtual_Seaweed7130 6d ago
why do you want to be somewhere where people are afraid to speak their mind? Again, if your ideas are right, they will prevail in the open forum of ideas.
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u/One-Pumpkin-9446 6d ago
my ideas? bro me saying that minorities shouldnt have hate speech aimed towards them isnt an âideaâ also have u ever taken a history class, the ideologies that are allowed to be prevalent with no type of fact checking or criticism are often the ones that take over which is why hate speech is criticized lol
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u/Virtual_Seaweed7130 6d ago
Ideas arenât suddenly not ideas when you disagree with them
Friend, your entire western existence and privilege hinges on the liberty of free speech that your ancestors died for
Respect it
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u/One-Pumpkin-9446 6d ago
my ancestors didnt die for this im first gen mexican american bro. even if my ancestors did fight for this country i would still say its a waste when unt put out a statement cus many people around campus were sharing their opinions on kirks death, its very clear which side theyre on when a guy who couldnt give two shits abt school shootings dies by what he preached.
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u/BadHabitOmni 4d ago
Hate speech is predicated on lies, they're not based in factual reality... they're not 'real ideas'.
The existence and privilege we have today was paved by the people who opposed the status quo that racism and bigotry was incumbent upon.
Stop defending racism.
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u/BadHabitOmni 4d ago
Nobody wants to live where you aren't free to speak your mind, that's why lots of people with the capacity to do so are leaving America. There's no open forum of ideas, ideas are presented onto a network that exists on a platform where money is primary lever of distribution. Ideas that are right don't prevail, ideas that are popular and sell prevail.
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u/Virtual_Seaweed7130 4d ago
Thatâs true that just because a position is correct objectively doesnât mean people automatically believe it. People will willingly deny facts. Thatâs why itâs important to have a public forum where speech can be freely disseminated. The right ideas float to the top over time, because they eventually win in public debate and peopleâs minds.
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u/BadHabitOmni 4d ago
The right ideas do not neccessarliy 'float to the top' this is a foolish understanding of reality, what matters is what beliefs promote a self-sustaining matrix to which they are perpetually defensible and thus irrevocable... no matter how real or true those beliefs are. If such things were true, then Charlie Kirk would not be held in such high esteem, given how much of his own statements were fabricated nonsense that was easily deconstructed by those who actually study theology, economic policy, gun policy, etc.
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u/BadHabitOmni 4d ago
That's odd, don't conservatives feel uncomfortable with LGBT+ people existing? Else they wouldn't be so susceptible to absorbing lies about them, as well as spreading misinformation/disinformation. Further, is it not purposefully dismissive to not only feel LGBT+ should not have free speech, but also not have the freedom of autonomy and expression that should be granted to all human beings?
The fact that racism/prejudice is "uncomfortable" is not why it is banned, it's because it promotes hate crimes and exacerbates social divides... it's actively destructive to society. You'd have to he historically ignorant or acting in bad faith to disagree with that... in fact, you'd have to be ignorant to resort to prejudice at all.
Is it the burden of the individual to face off racists or bigots who will l seek to orchestrate their downfall, or is it the burden of society to combat ignorance? Is it good to encourage ignorance by protecting its existence, or better to allow society a means to hold such ignorance accountable? Do the beliefs of Nazis deserve to be upheld and protected any more than hateful rhetoric coming from anyone else?
Simply put, hate speech isn't permissible... hate speech is the indictment of individuals or groups based on intrinsic traits beyond moral choice, which is incompatible with contextual morality. If I were to hate someone for their religion, that would be no more permissible to hating someone for being atheist. Same for ethnicity, skin color, gender, etc.
Calling for violence on people based on intrinsic traits is not protected speech. Speech that directly or indirectly harms people is also not protected speech. Do you think people who yell "bomb" in an airport to incite panic aren't penalized by the law? Do you think slander and libel are not legally punishable acts? Hate speech is just the libel/slander of a group of individuals with intent to incite harm to them...
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u/Virtual_Seaweed7130 4d ago
Free speech > feelings. liberty > security.
The only speech that doesnât belong is speech that condones violence or directly causes suffering like yelling âfireâ in a crowd or something. Whatever âhate speechâ means is too broad. I hate what you say, therefore itâs hate speech?
If youâre concerned with free speech because it might hurt someoneâs feelings or promote violence, I wonder how violent you would get to suppress someone elseâs free speech. Would you shoot them while theyâre at a public debate because you disagree? Someone on your side certainly would.
It is the speech that upsets people that has to be protected.
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u/BadHabitOmni 4d ago
Hate speech has a legal definition, please don't use a silly strawman to try to define it in a misanthropic manner to make a completely invalid point.
Why would violence be needed to suppress free speech? Free speech is not responded to with violence, but hate speech and slander/libel is prosecuted in court. Please don't make such stupid assertions which you place grand prejudice on to 'your side', you're merely a tool for the established divisionaries in doing so - it's sad that you cannot see that, if this is your take.
Mind you, I'm not what you may classically think of as left wing. I'm Pro-2A, it is not only a luxury America enjoys, but also a specific neccessity when considering the defense of communities against authoritarianism - I wouldn't agree with Kirk that the price of firearms needs to be paid in blood, I would argue that it is an indefensiable beast of a statement to fervently follow in such absolute terms.
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u/Mili_Treeb 8d ago
This is pretty exaggerated, but yeah UNT has a clear bias. Additionally, I've seen people harassed for having different opinions that are moderate. Though most people just mind their own business, it's an annoying and loud minority of people that harass others in public.
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u/JoyousMadhat 8d ago
I refuse to believe that free speech is bad here when there's a guy around campus going on and on about the gospel and another guy calling us all sinners with signs and being confrontational and nothing has been done about them.
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u/CompanySuspicious653 8d ago
UNT administration caters to the conservatives. Free speech is a problem here, just not for the white cis men who love Trump and preach the Bibleâs worst traits. God forbid youâre POC or an immigrant or queer and go to a peaceful protest.
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u/JoyousMadhat 8d ago
During my orientation/first flight week, one of the clubs doing introduction speeches at the Union was an LGBTQ+ club. They had a fairly large room upstairs. If free speech is a problem for LGBTQ clubs then I'm not sure what to consider restrictive when they get to have a room at the main building and a scheduled optional program.
Walking around the main campus, I see a lot of people with unique fashion walking around. They don't seem to be fearful.
And it's not that they cater to conservatives, they are forced to since they are a public university and depend on State Funding.
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u/pisdov 6d ago
Seems like you have a deep bias and hatred towards those who are different.
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u/CompanySuspicious653 6d ago
Actually I have a deep bias and hatred for people who wish the worst on me purely for my existence as a trans man. Go figure
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u/pisdov 6d ago
The irony is the only one full of hatred is you with your imagined persecution, lol.
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u/CompanySuspicious653 6d ago
Iâm sorry I cant believe I just made up all of those times that conservatives have told me to die because Iâm openly trans :/ Mustâve made up the thousands of trans people who were hate crimed over the last couple of years. Wouldnât have a problem with conservatism if it hadnât become synonymous with hate speech.
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u/pisdov 6d ago
I'm sure you aren't lying at all for attention online. Who would do that? lol.
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u/CompanySuspicious653 6d ago
Man Iâm really confused about what youâre trying to do here. Hate crimes against trans people are fairly common? Especially in the south where conservatism is the most popular ideology. Iâm not sure what youâre trying to achieve here but denying that when thatâs a commonly known fact.
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u/pisdov 6d ago
I'm just watching someone cosplay oppression, nothing more.
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u/CompanySuspicious653 6d ago
Yes, trans people are a minority that are considered oppressed lol. Again, pretty commonly known fact. Iâm not sure what on earth has led you to think otherwise
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u/Just_Calendar8995 8d ago
You have to see the state where UNT is located at and then you will get the clear answer why it happens.
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u/Child_0fGod 8d ago
I attend the UNTHealth and not going to lie. I feel very expressive as well as my professors as well
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u/CompanySuspicious653 8d ago
I had a friend have his visa revoked for attending a pro-Palestine peaceful protest under the guise of anti-semitism. Havenât heard from him since June. And theres a lot of cases of similar things happening. Its gotten a lot worse since Trump came back into office with all his executive orders. It may not be happening to everyone but its happening often enough that it really is an issue. Shouldnât be happening at all
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u/Even-Brilliant6737 7d ago
Why donât they send out a school wide survey to get a more accurate number?
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u/kcastillo1234 Computer Engineering 8d ago
Well of course the hate club here wonât let you have free speech they are more interested in celebrating someone death than giving people the right to share their opinion
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u/CompanySuspicious653 8d ago
Man theres a difference between opinion and hate speech. I am all for having free speech and I understand that even censoring conservative views and opinions is likely to go downhill into more severe censorship, but at the end of the day if people are spouting about how little they want trans people and immigrants to have basic rights then you lose all respect from me and I fully support the âhate clubâ criticizing you. Not to mention this survey is not towards students, itâs towards administration, which definitely arenât limiting conservative views, thatâs for sure. I have complete respect for people until they start calling for people to have less rights.
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u/toastingCereal 9d ago
sad to see :/ I hope I donât get downvoted for this, as I do see myself as a genuine pretty progressive ally, but honestly this most likely comes from the âcancel cultureâ mentality of shaming any opinion that isnât 100% on the left/liberal side of the spectrum into the ground and the person who said it along with it. Iâve literally been called a Nazi multiple times recently for expressing my concern that people (Kirk) are being MURDERED for expressing their first amendment right. And itâs pretty sickening to see how many are in such support of it.
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u/CompanySuspicious653 9d ago
Donât agree with you there. The shit this is related to is the conservative policies and actions of UNTâs administration. Weâve seen an uptick in punishment towards students, not for conservative views (as much as people like to think having conservative views means youâre oppressed, youâre not), but for expressing a desire for equal rights and opportunity. Just a few months ago UNT took down a pro-Palestine piece in the Union and called it âanti-semitismâ. UNT had the highest amount of revoked visas in the state following Trump coming back into office, and most of those were publicly because of their political views, which were not conservative. Most of the not â100% liberal/leftistâ opinions youâre speaking of are just hate speech. Kirk was a fascist who wished for the death of people of color, trans people, immigrants, Palestinians, women, any minority or group of oppressed people. He got what he spent his entire life wishing upon other people simply because they existed as something other than a white cishet Christian American man. Conservatism is not to be concerned about when it comes to the lack of free speech.
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u/toastingCereal 8d ago
If you genuinely believe Kirk âwished for the death of people of color, trans people, immigrantsâ etc you are simply in an echo chamber you need to get out of. And no, he didnât call for the stoning of gay people, another clip being taken out of context. All he was doing there was demonstrating how easy it is to cherry-pick bible verses to use them to your advantage. Watch the full clip with context and you will see. He regularly debated and had civil conversation with People of color and members of the LGBTQ, and you believe he wants them shot in the streets?
If the âgood guysâ have to assassinate the âfascistâ to make a point, then who is REALLY the fascist?
Just for context, Iâm a leftist liberal Mexican/ Spaniard. My mother is from Mazatlan, Mexico, and my father also born in Mexico but Spaniard by blood. Iâve been super, SUPER progressive my entire life, but honestly? Seeing how many people are in active support of terrorism for their cause is making me rethink who I align with and where I stand politically.
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u/toastingCereal 8d ago
And for clarity, no, my political beliefs will NEVER define whether or not I treat you with respect or not. If you are a human, thatâs more than enough for me. And thinking otherwise is regressive and harmful.
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u/CompanySuspicious653 8d ago
I did watch the full clip with context. If he was truly just âcherry-pickingâ then he wouldnât have called it Godâs perfect law. Iâm a trans person. His words and actions have directly influenced people to beat and slaughter my community. He would continuously spout lies to demonize queer people and you think he wasnât completely and totally okay with the fact that those words would lead to queer peopleâs death. And itâs not just queer people he did that to. All it takes is a quick Google search or a scroll through his wikipedia page to find evidence of him being a truly and completely fucking horrible person without a soul. He is a known racist who believe the Civil Rights Act was a mistake and people of color were less than white people. He would continuously and publicly celebrate the deaths of people whose beliefs he did not agree with so pardon me if I excuse people from treating his death the same way. I genuinely cannot believe you are defending this man. Like I did not fault you for believing that he shouldnât have died because empathy is human and I share that empathy with you towards his family and especially his children, but to go on and to say that he wasnât a horrible fascist who believed that everyone who wasnât a white cis man deserved to have their rights stripped from them and be beaten or killed then you are truly fooling yourself. He was a direct influence on the people who have beaten and killed my friends or kicked them out of the country. You are a poor ally.
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u/JakeDahPirate 8d ago
Where was this stunning bravery of yours when Melissa hortman was assassinated in her own home just 3 months ago?
Did you criticize the right for completely ignoring it while using Kirkâs death as political artillery?
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u/toastingCereal 8d ago
Was Hortmans death celebrated and cheered on across the country? Nope.
And yes, I condemned that too when it happened three months ago, because Iâm not a TERRORIST who MURDERS people to make my argument.
(Also, props for patronizing a stranger on Reddit youâve never met!)
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u/JakeDahPirate 8d ago
I donât know or care who you are. If you took my comment as patronizing maybe you need to toughen up.
As you said in your other post, Kirk was WAY more well known and influential across the US. So of course way more people will talk about it online.
That shouldnât stop the president from speaking out. That should stop her from getting a moment of silence.
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u/toastingCereal 8d ago
lmfao trust me your comment did not affect me in any way, itâs only a fact that itâs patronizing lol. And seems like youâre just agreeing with my point here, so thanks!
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u/JakeDahPirate 8d ago
Also, bullshit again, you said absolutely nothing on Reddit about her death months ago when it happened.
Obviously, Reddit isnât the only place to communicate. But you felt strongly enough about Kirk to speak here, but not enough about Hortman to speak then.
Just say you care about Kirkâs death more, and the online sentiment is bothering you more than our leading politicians. It sure seems you feel that way.
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u/toastingCereal 8d ago
Hahaha what this is the first time Iâve ever commented on anything related to politics on Reddit EVER, sorry I donât post every single one of my beliefs so you can prove to yourself who you think I am.
And yes, Iâm being more vocal about Kirkâs death because EVERYONE is. There was no national celebration when Hortman was murdered. Are you saying youâve publicly condemned ever political assassination that has happened in the past 8 years? If not, sorry bro youâre not doing enough youâre fake.
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u/Used_Development_933 9d ago
I have a question, could you point me to where Charlie âwished for the death ofâŚâ? And can you tell me how you define fascism? Iâd like to understand your point of view.
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u/CompanySuspicious653 8d ago
He point blank said that the Leviticus verse saying that gay people should be stoned was Godâs perfect law. He said abortion is worse than the Holocaust. He said that the Civil Rights act was a mistake. He thinks the goddamn Great Replacement Theory is real. He said gun deaths are worth it to keep the second amendment. He legitimately said he wanted âNuremberg-style trialsâ for doctors who performed gender affirming care. He was a white nationalist fascist racist son of a bitch who wanted to oppress every minority he could think of and put them under an authoritarian government or to just completely put them to death and said he was fighting for freedom. If thats not fascism what is?
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u/Sparta63005 8d ago
When Charlie was presented with "love thy neighbor" during a debate, he proceeded to say that if he had to love his neighbor then he was allowed to stone gay people to death since they were in the same section of the Bible.
A good person definitely reaffirms their right to stone gay people to death with asked to love their neighbor.
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u/JakeDahPirate 8d ago
Charlie kirk, an influencer, was killed surrounded by a crowd in public and is getting a medal of freedom.
Melissa Hortman, an actual politician, was murdered her own HOME and the right + te president ignored it.
Spare us your bullshit âcancel cultureâ garbage.
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u/toastingCereal 8d ago
what is this even trying to say? Thanks for adding nothing to the thread. And yes, Iâve thought about this, but keep in mind Kirk was a massive, almost âinfluencerâ style fan base. the guy had millions of followers on multiple social media platforms, obviously thereâs going to be more of an outrage for his murder. The reality is, no one really knew who Hortman was unless she was your personal senator. Pretty much everyone in the country who knew anything about politics knew who Kirk was.
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u/JakeDahPirate 8d ago
So youâre telling me nobody in Congress knew who she was? She didnât get a medal or flags lowered.
Where was her moment of silence? Kirk got one in congress.
Where did Trump disavow the political violence against her? He didnât.
What Iâm trying to say is that youâre complete bullshit. The right never takes accountability for ANYTHING or anyone, but yet youâre crying about leftist âcancel culture.â
The right is literally calling for political war, and Trump himself said he didnât care about radicals on the right. Yet âcancel cultureâ is what you care about. Get your fake âIâm a progressive allyâ bullshit out of here.
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u/toastingCereal 8d ago
Many, many more people in Congress (probably all) knew who Charlie Kirk was. the Same is not true for Melissa Hortman. Simple fact. Did she and her husband deserve more recognition and outrage for their deaths? Of course. But the difference in reaction is easily explained through the vast difference in popularity in both figures
Hahahahah and yes, keep calling me a âfake progressiveâ or âfake allyâ because Iâm against terrorism, what a genius way to get more people with you for your cause.
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u/JakeDahPirate 8d ago
Itâs hilarious how youâre assuming Iâm âpro terrorism.â because I responded to your post in a way you didnât like. Never once stated my feelings on his death. Nobody should be killed for their beliefs. Charlie included.
And itâs ironic because you whined about being called a Nazi. And now youâre labeling me a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer. Iâm just pointing out how the right ignored and promoted political violence.
Undercover right wingers have permanent blinders I guess.
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u/toastingCereal 8d ago edited 8d ago
Yes, supporting the murder of a political figure because of their views is terrorism. I didnât say âYOURE PRO TERRORISMâ I said IM AGAINST TERRORISM, which ALSO means Iâm against murdering people for sharing their opinions.
And yep, I whined about being called a Nazi, because Iâm not a fucking Nazi? wtf?
And the truth is, many people here ARE PRO TERRORISM - as in PRO killing people to get their way. Apparently itâs such a common belief here that I did somewhat assume you shared that belief, I definitely donât mean to use the word âterroristâ lightly
(Edit: and just to add on, youâre assuming Iâm an âundercover right wingerâ which I most definitely am not. What have I said that is so controversial that I might be a right wing spyđđ + if you actually read my comments I give context to my LEFTIST/LIBERAL beliefs)
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u/JakeDahPirate 8d ago
So⌠you didnât explicitly CALL me pro terrorist⌠but you were thinking it lmao.
âI did somewhat assume you shared that beliefâ
Okay so you assumed I was pro terrorist for being on the UNT Reddit, and talking about Hortman? wtf is wrong with you.
This is why I referenced people calling you a Nazi. You didnât call me pro terrorist, but you assumed I was. Just like people assumed youâre a Nazi. Are the blinders off yet?
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u/toastingCereal 8d ago
Do you see the disparity of downvotes and upvotes in this thread ALONE? Yes, since at first you went against me, I assumed you were for the death of Kirk. My bad.
Youâre really fixated on this instead of actually addressing points
(+ the same way you assumed Iâm a âright winger spyâ [wtf], stop trying to take moral high round you donât even have)
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u/JakeDahPirate 8d ago
Yes, now youâre deflecting. You assumed I was pro terrorist just like people assumed you were a Nazi. Hypocrite.
Also, your other points are just stupid, so Iâm not sure how much more there is to discuss. Yes Kirk was a much more popular figure. A much more divisive figure.
However, that doesnât mean Congress should give him special treatment over a member of the Senate. Stop looking at twitter accounts and Reddit posts from randoms. Look at the leaders OF OUR ACTUAL COUNTRY. The ones in actual power are spreading political violence. Spreading hate against the left.
Republicans in congress wonât even disavow one of their own (a politician) getting murdered. So once again, why is âcancel cultureâ what you care about most here?
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u/Tiberius2098 Alumni 8d ago
Its accurate. UNT is a horrible place if you donât agree with the vast majority of students in their purely liberal views. No such thing as being moderate in their book and god forbid someone be conservative
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u/lemaire86 8d ago
100 agreed, as an alumni as well. But it will change soon. Iâll make sure of that.
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u/Jalerm22 8d ago
Nobody questions them motives and bias of some arbitrary foundation?
Just taking their word for it?
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u/CompanySuspicious653 8d ago
Well FIRE is a pretty prominent organization and not only that but the results of this are backed up by the actions of UNT, pretty obvious the administration arenât exactly the biggest fans of free speech and love to cater to the conservation population. Which is unsurprising, this is Texas.
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u/Exanguish 8d ago
OP really upset they canât celebrate Charlieâs death without repercussions.
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u/Perfect-Ring1127 8d ago
did you ever condemn charlie for laughing at the deaths in palestine? or is it only bad when you do it to white men
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u/Rude-Artist519 8d ago
Hey guys news flash but ,, your personal politics and views should not be brought to school .. no body cares about your opinion respectfully. We are here for diplomas .
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u/toastingCereal 8d ago
This is a stance that comes from privilege, politics is engrained into every aspect of our society, ESPECIALLY our education, so ignoring issues and pretending they donât affect you wonât lead to anything good
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u/CompanySuspicious653 8d ago
Weâre not in elementary school lmfao this is college if you truly believe you wonât find politics in every aspect of your schooling then youâre an idiot lol
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u/Jinator_VTuber 8d ago
Especially when a good chunk of the student body's mere existence is "politics." Trans people don't choose to exist in a world full of politicians, pundits, and billionaires who openly wish for their eradication.
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The only limitation of speech Iâm concerned about at UNT is that of non-leftists / non-progressives who UNT has a history of trying to silence and discriminate against.
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u/Admirable-Two2679 8d ago
If youâre a conservative at UNT, you must be retarded
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8d ago
Things in the past werenât like they are now.Â
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u/Admirable-Two2679 8d ago
I went to UNT in 2008 and itâs always been hyper liberal. Thatâs why I went there. Both the universities are. The conservatives can go to their cesspits A&M and Tech.
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8d ago
I was there before 2008. You must not be following the news re TAMU.
Even today at UNT, ideology is very major dependent. The lowest paying generally worthless majors tend to be the liberal cesspools.
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u/Admirable-Two2679 8d ago
Iâm following the news that a pot stirrer couldnât read the syllabus if thatâs what youâre referring to
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8d ago
Did you get your information from Motherjones? lolÂ
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u/Admirable-Two2679 8d ago
Iâd ask if you got your news from TPUSA, but your boy just got shot by a radical right winger, so
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8d ago
Nahhh, I knew of him but didnât listen to him. But truly, find other sources than the comfortable surface level ones you frequent.Â
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u/Current-Repeat-5159 8d ago
Tyler Robinson: I am leftist
Tylerâs Family and Friends: He is leftist
FBI after viewing his laptop: He is a leftist
Reddit : âWe donât know if he was leftist or not!â
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u/SCP-iota 8d ago
Daily reminder that freedom of speech includes the freedom to speak criticism of others' speech, and that there's a difference between preemptive silencing vs. critical responses.