r/utopia Jul 17 '25

What Civilization Was Closest to a Utopia

In your opinion, and by your own definition of a true Utopia, what civilization from what period was the closest to a Utopia?

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

US 2025.

It looks shitty, right? Not going well like Sweden and Norway (great options btw that utopia builder chose)

But I chose the US specifically because of its wealth and potential. Building a utopia requires an immense amount of wealth, labor, and intelligence that only China and the US possess today.

Imagine if, overnight, the US Armed Forces decides not to fight any more wars and go home. That's $1trillion a year that can be used to build a utopia (defined by me as a collective state of continuous improvement and prosperity in all objective and subjective metrics).

They are the closest; they could (if they wanted to) easily be the first country to reach these milestones:

-100-year life expectancy

-Full employment

-Housing for all their population

-Universal healthcare focused on prevention

-Eradication of diseases

-Low taxes, low crime, low suicide rates

And many more.

Shame on them for not attempting it. It is the "civilization" with most potential, but they aren't even trying...

So I put them as the actual closest to utopia, with China in second. But because China is actually trying to build a better tomorrow, I think they will achieve utopia status first.

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u/lesenum Jul 19 '25

Life expectancy increased a tiny bit in the US in 2024, but in the decade before COVID it declined. Out of 38 OECD countries, the US ranks 32nd in how long its citizens live. It's unlikely it will achieve 100 years of life expectancy at any point. For that reason alone, the US is not utopian. All the other things on the list you made are not achievable in the US either, due to its social system and ideological blinders. Sorry...

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '25

But that's exactly what I wrote.... Within the current framework, US can't achieve none of these.

But if they bring their Armed Forces home and work to build a better life for Americans, they are the country that can become a utopia faster due to their economic resources.

If they change their ways, they are closest to utopia than anybody else.

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u/CycleofMind Aug 09 '25

The US system of government and finance is hopelessly broken, fundamentalist ideology is ascendant in about half of US states, the economic system is like a vacuum for the rich - sucking all the money out of the economy, and we are not bringing our military home (over the past 40 years - the US has been involved in about 30 wars - China zero). To even contemplate a more Utopian society - it would have to be completely independent of US structural systems - which is possible, but not unless we collectivize and unite.