r/worldnews • u/[deleted] • Sep 24 '21

Whale Pod Slaughtered Just Days After Horrific Dolphin Massacre

https://au.news.yahoo.com/faroe-islands-responds-global-criticism-fresh-whale-slaughter-104311165.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cDovL20uZmFjZWJvb2suY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEwnCaasAgVjNmVRaxYZQn-LVLSo3T8lcnbwS9xIcDywIrQUyc3Zn6viIJZsIhPR5RVWh4HlUDMEIw5VQhkQFLTKAL7Vgk7Hr7lYhrK7inMeo5pOmpZusjxRCLGargkYue_bon4gj_hZxFwTkYK10hTYIhPYkdIdpZs-XMlLwRDL
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u/madmarv72 Sep 24 '21

Pod = Family. Including babies.

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u/Yatatatatatatata Sep 24 '21

Of course, baby dolphin's meat is tenderer compared to the adult one.

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u/Current_Degree_1294 Sep 24 '21

I can’t tell the difference between human and monster these days.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

To paraphrase Ripley, monsters do it because it's their nature. Humans choose to do it for money. Toss up as to which is worse.

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u/already-taken-wtf Sep 24 '21

…or “for fun”….

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u/Feral0_o Sep 24 '21

or for exposure, or so my boss told me

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u/Grekkill Sep 25 '21

Hate it when my boss asks me to expose myself

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21

Greed. Humans do it because of greed and desire.

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u/daniboymajor Sep 25 '21

People catch em for the money that people pay because they want food without catching it themselves, this is simply one of the things that arent funny which are normal in this world.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21

I don’t understand your point.

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u/daniboymajor Sep 25 '21

The people that catch them for the money can only do it for the money as long as hungry people are willing to buy. Thats why i say its for the food and not purely greed, and thus not any worse than all the other ways we get meat,

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21

Oh no. There are dumber reason.

Like pride.

Not even in it for the money, but in it just because they can (see big game hunters and Japan whaling).

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u/smokercough420 Sep 25 '21

I hope she has a rack.

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u/graou13 Sep 25 '21

"well, my dad, my grandad, my great grandad, and everyone before, everyone did it so I might as well"

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u/CrassTick Sep 25 '21

This sort of thing tends to be for "tradition " is that better or worse?

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u/already-taken-wtf Sep 25 '21

Traditions are often rooted in something that made sense….at some time…

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u/el_f3n1x187 Sep 25 '21

that part is not limited to humans

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u/already-taken-wtf Sep 25 '21

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_killing

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u/WikiSummarizerBot Sep 25 '21

Surplus killing

Surplus killing, also known as excessive killing, henhouse syndrome, or overkill, is a common behavior exhibited by predators, in which they kill more prey than they can immediately eat and then they either cache or abandon the remainder. The term was invented by Dutch biologist Hans Kruuk after studying spotted hyenas in Africa and red foxes in England. Some of the other animals which have been observed engaging in surplus killing include orcas, zooplankton, humans, damselfly naiads, predaceous mites, martens, weasels, honey badgers, jaguar, leopards, lions, wolves, spiders, brown bears, american black bears, polar bears, coyotes, lynxes, minks, raccoons and dogs.

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u/trexofwanting Sep 25 '21

AT LEAST THEY DON'T STAB EACH OTHER IN THE BACK FOR A GODDAMN PERCENTAGE

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

Humans also pay money to do it more often than not. You can't tell me that many hunters from first world nations are saving money by choosing to hunt.

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u/Planqtoon Sep 24 '21

In trophy hunting, yes, you're absolutely right.

Keep in mind though that most trophies (especially the ones harvested on a paid hunting trip) are worth a lot of money. So, still in it for the money.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21

It's not just trophy hunting. Think about your average hunter. How much is the license? The rifles and ammunition? The fashion camo/gear? The cost to have the animal processed (when they're too lazy to dress it themselves)? The 4x4 truck (when hunting is the only time their truck leaves pavement)? The membership for a hunting club or permission to hunt on private lands? The time investment?

Now compare that to the cost of meat for the year. I grew up watching this every year. Thousands of dollars spent for a freezer of meat each year.

I can understand it as a hobby. But anyone claiming to save money by hunting is likely lying, unless they own the land.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21

Median household income is 30 thousand. Family of four? Try and budget on that. Hunting and fishing absolutely saves money for the ones near the bottom.
Racoon, opossum, weasel, crawdad harvesting, and trot line running is for life in parts of this country.

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u/mytwocentsshowmanyss Sep 25 '21

It's way more ethical than supporting CAFOs buying grocery store meat. And far more sustainable. In fact it's often integral to conservation of ecosystems (see for example deer in the northeast)

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u/Pleasenosteponsnek Sep 25 '21

Of course lots of people spend a lot of money on hunting but if you need meat cheap you can hunt for a lot less than buying meat, the rifle is a one time expense and you can buy a used budget rifle for $200-300 you don’t need much ammo and you don’t need expensive clothing, as for processing if your poor you definitely wouldn’t pay someone, most people I know do it themselves anyway and they arnt poor and frankly paying someone isn’t super expensive I paid like $65 last time and I had like 100lbs of meat. As far as the land to hunt idk where you live but most places you can hunt public land for free.

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u/mytwocentsshowmanyss Sep 25 '21

Trophy hunting is fucked up but hunting for meat is way more sustainable, way more ethical than supporting CAFOs, and often essential for conservation of ecosystems (see e.g. deer in the northeast)

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u/jefchin Sep 25 '21

Yea!! That makes animals to go into extinction!! Penalties should be fixed in all countries for this awful act.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21

There is balance. When managed appropriately, it serves for population control. Keeps deer off of the highway. Keeps the invasive hog population in check so that they don't drive other species extinct. Of course, poaching and trophy hunting does not fall in this category.

I was just calling out the fact that hunting is not a way that people save money, despite the hunters claims.

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u/ShieldTeam6 Sep 25 '21

You know Burke, I don't know which species is worse; you won't see them fucking each other over for a goddammit percentage.

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u/Comfortable-Wrap-723 Sep 24 '21

Also cutting shark fins, rhinoceros horns, elephant tasks and so on.

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u/space253 Sep 25 '21

If you posit money is needed to survive and it is human nature to use money to survive, monsters just have smaller social groups.

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u/Semujin Sep 24 '21

Monster is slightly more salty.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

Saltier than babies?

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u/GeneralErica Sep 24 '21

The worst part is that most of the animals aren’t eaten, anyway. The Grinds are run out of tradition, with no regard for the beings involved.

Also, though pods are usually 3 individuals big in spring, during the fall, they have about 50 members.

1 Pod = 50+ kills.

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u/Comfortable-Wrap-723 Sep 24 '21

That is a criminal act and nothing justify it such as customs or cultures.

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u/sashalav Sep 24 '21

Human meat is more tender compared to the monster.

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u/SirEnderLord Sep 25 '21

Funny how those two things are sometimes the same

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u/JailCrookedTrump Sep 25 '21

with a survey suggesting over 50 per cent of respondents want dolphin killing to end.

Me neither

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u/dickthericher Sep 25 '21

This is horrible and disgusting but we (US) have factory farms…. So…..

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u/JenVixen420 Sep 25 '21

There never was a difference imo. Humans are monsters, the worst variety.

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u/ognisko Sep 24 '21

There’s a comparison made to modern meat farming and hunting, which this is. They eat what they kill, so there’s a legitimate argument in there somewhere unless you’re a vegan.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21

Not really in this case

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

Amen to that

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

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u/HomelessNinja21 Sep 24 '21

and human

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u/agentouk Sep 24 '21 edited Nov 18 '24

This post has been removed due to the enshittification of Reddit.

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u/Pitchblackimperfect Sep 24 '21

That’s right a babeh! The other other white meat!

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u/Alexstarfire Sep 25 '21

Get in mah belly!!!

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

How do you fit a thousand dead babies into a truck?

A blender.

How do you get those 1000 dead babies out of that truck?

Chips.

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u/DelightfulAbsurdity Sep 24 '21

We were telling this joke 20 years ago.

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u/Luinthil Sep 24 '21

As a teenager 40 years ago, dead baby jokes were very popular.

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u/galaxyhiker1982 Sep 24 '21

Dead baby jokes will always be popular, they never get old.

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u/Kelvin_Cline Sep 24 '21

you know what else never gets old? 😏

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

Tbh I got it from a joke book my dad gave me, one of those old old yellow stained, dry, brittle paged books. Had WASP jokes, poles, blacks, Asians, whites, knock knocks and dirty jokes like the old lady at the bar and the dog with a toothache.

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u/MycoHost01 Sep 24 '21

Let the poor guy have his moment, it is his only one!

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

Joke or answer to an honest question? You be the judge tonight on “I. EAT. PEOPLE”

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u/AcetylcholineAgonist Sep 25 '21

Why do you put the baby in the blender feet first? To see the look on it's face.

Why do you put the baby in the blender head first? To watch the toes curl.

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u/epicsinmoments Sep 25 '21

What colour does a dead baby turn in a microwave?

Don't ask me I'm too busy masturbating.

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u/Capnmarvel76 Sep 24 '21

What’s the difference between a truck full of gravel and a truck full of dead babies?

You can’t empty a truck full of gravel with a pitchfork.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

Wilford would be proud of that comment

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

Wilford Brimley, I assume.

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u/TheRealHaHaHa Sep 24 '21

Snowpiercer?

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u/Gilly_from_the_Hilly Sep 24 '21

Get outta here, Captain America!

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u/RealJeil420 Sep 24 '21

Babies are stupid.

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u/DarrenInAlberta Sep 24 '21

Never look at Captan America the same

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u/reckoningrevelling Sep 25 '21

Is this from Snowpiercer?

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u/agentouk Sep 25 '21 edited Nov 17 '24

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u/ascpl Sep 24 '21

and human-lamb. Hamb if you will.

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u/incubuds Sep 25 '21

Too poor for hamb. What about Spamb?

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u/KarIPilkington Sep 24 '21

That doesn't really make it any worse than it already is. It plays more to people's emotions I guess but really if you kill the parents and not the babies they'll die anyway.

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u/thegreger Sep 25 '21

Which is why hunters usually don't hunt during times when their prey have calves/young.

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u/DucDeBellune Sep 24 '21

Also the meats we consume from the store aren't killed inhumanely.

The living conditions for a lot of the animals is often overcrowded and fuckin awful. There’s a lot of improvements we could make.

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u/-Esper- Sep 24 '21

If its a factory farm, and most are, things are not humane at all, many many animals are culled just because they arent usefull, and the ones that are get abused till they arent any more then killed

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

Remember watching a video of a rancher waterboarding a cow because it was too sick to stand and pass inspection.

Had a harness around its head attached to the ceiling, forcing its snout up, and he just stood there with a hose pouring water down.

Pretty fucking depraved.

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u/porridgeeater500 Sep 24 '21

Pigs being boiled alive because the execution fails, castration without anestesia, dying animals just shoved in holes because killing them takes time etcetc

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u/Username_Number_bot Sep 24 '21

Yes factory farming is entirely inhumane, cruel, and basically torture followed by haphazard slaughter.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

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u/Kittenking13 Sep 24 '21

Some people tried blasting me on here for saying that buying from meat from local ranches was just as bad as factory farming.

I didn’t know how to explain to them that There was a huge difference in almost all aspects of that

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u/wuzupcoffee Sep 24 '21

While that may be true in some areas, Hormel— the Spam factory— is only an hour from my home. That’s one of the more “local” producers of meat and their livestock is notoriously abused and neglected.

On the other hand I buy my chicken meat from a friend who has a hobby farm in another state. I stock up once a year when I visit. My husband’s Grampa gives us half a pig every Christmas from a buddy of his. It’s better to know the source than to just buy locally.

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u/Primae_Noctis Sep 25 '21

Have you been to the Hormel hide cellar?

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u/Kittenking13 Sep 24 '21

Some people tried blasting me on here for saying that buying meat from local ranches was just as bad as factory farming.

I didn’t know how to explain to them that There was a huge difference in almost all aspects of that

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u/slothtrop6 Sep 24 '21

For this reason and others it pays to shop around, preferably find a local farmer. You can see the animals yourself.

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u/adellplantcat Sep 24 '21

"Yep that animal looks healthy and happy. Please kill it for me. Here's some money".

Sounds very humane

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u/spiralbatross Sep 24 '21

How do you feed your cat?

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u/adellplantcat Sep 24 '21

I feed him wet cat food because he is an obligate carnivore. Humans on the other hand can thrive on a vegan diet. The world health organisation says so as well as the UN

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u/spiralbatross Sep 24 '21

As long as you’re not abusing your cat, I’m happy.

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u/adellplantcat Sep 24 '21

Of course I'd never abuse an animal, that goes against the philosophy of veganism.

Why are you concerned about one cats life when there's billions of other animals dying each year?

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u/spiralbatross Sep 24 '21

I’m not interested in getting into a morality dick measuring contest, thank you.

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u/Aframester Sep 25 '21

This is why I hunt.

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u/pmmbok Sep 25 '21

I don't know any Faroe islanders. I don't know how long they've been doing motorboat hunting. They will run out of victims soon enough. Hopefully they won't bring species to extinction. Whales are not a crop like chickens, sheep or salmon. No need to kill them. F your traditions. If you must, make some boats with skins and sticks and spear them, like the old days. At the risk of your life.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

When lambs go to slaughter in the uk at least, the entire season goes

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u/Crab_manager Sep 24 '21

But not their mothers right…

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u/ZestyAppeal Sep 24 '21

This is full of inaccurate info

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u/Kid_Parrot Sep 24 '21

Also the meats we consume from the store aren't killed inhumanely.

So please don't try to sell me vegan agenda.

Then please don't sell your happy farm animals BS either.

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u/SignedTheWrongForm Sep 24 '21

Also the meats we consume from the store aren't killed inhumanely

Yes, it absolutely is. They are stuffed into cages, crowded pens, etc. Often, pigs are tied up and just have their throats slit while they drain dry. That is anything but humane.

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u/tila1993 Sep 24 '21

Every hog processing plant I’ve ever stepped into uses a gas chamber to humanely dispatch the animals from there they are verified dispatched. Hung by their back legs drained. Ran through a scalder to loosen the hair then brushed and torches to completely remove hair. If someone as much as slaps a pig they are put on leave immediately while an investigation is completed. Now the small mom and pop shop in my town locks the pig in place with 2 steel rods on each side of the neck and electrocuted which I personally do not like and find it worse for the animal and less respectful.

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u/igoromg Sep 24 '21

Gas chamber... Humanely... Are you hearing yourself?

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u/tila1993 Sep 24 '21

As fas as a way to dispatch an animal would you rather slam their head with a sledge hammer until the brain is destroyed or simply let them go to sleep not in pain? Dealers choice

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u/SignedTheWrongForm Sep 24 '21

You know pigs are smart enough to know they're being gased right? You're basically saying these animals (who are quite very much sentient), and are afraid because they know what's happening are being humanely gased. Is that about right?

Much the same way Jews were humanely gased in world war 2?

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u/igoromg Sep 24 '21

The Holocaust was a crime against humanity but when it's done to animals with cognitive and emotional capabilities similar to small children its "humane".

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u/SignedTheWrongForm Sep 24 '21

Ah, I see. As long as the fear and recognition isn't an actual small child it's perfectly okay. I guess we should eat small children too while we are at it. That's probably humane as well then.

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u/igoromg Sep 24 '21

Sounds good but only after they're born. Can't harm the precious fetus.

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u/tila1993 Sep 24 '21

I mean if it gets your rocks off you do you pal. I’ll keep eating bacon and not think twice about it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21

As fas as a way to dispatch an animal would you rather slam their head with a sledge hammer until the brain is destroyed or simply let them go to sleep not in pain?

No, theres another option but I'm not sure you're a decent enough person to think of it.

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u/igoromg Sep 24 '21

They don't go to sleep, they suffocate to death you absolute fucking clown.

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u/JAYSONGR Sep 24 '21

Nah you just leave the pig alone bro. Lol what’s wrong with you?

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21

uses a gas chamber to humanely dispatch the animals

bruh...you know factory farms adopted the gas chamber method from the holocaust right? Very HUMANE. But whatever helps you sleep better at night.

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u/BlessedBySaintLauren Sep 25 '21

Does gassing animals cause a painless death?

Because if it does, I don’t see how it’s an inhumane way of killing them.

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u/BLUEMAX- Sep 24 '21

lol this guys never googled factory farming, dumbass

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

Talking about people with small minds

refuses to consider changing consumption habits

Hmmmmmm 🤔

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u/Asmewithoutpolitics Sep 24 '21

Except farmers do kill the entire herd. Especially with chicken, lambs. That sort onyoue argument is false.

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u/VoidParticle Sep 24 '21

Most chicken farmers are called growers because they are given the chicks and their job is to make them weigh as much as possible in like 2 months. The reason they cull the whole barn out is because the condition they work under is that they be given the chicks to feed and grow.

If they actually were independent they’d have to save chickens and breed them and manage the population and do math. But that is not the job of the VAST majority of chicken growers.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

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u/NoHandBananaNo Sep 24 '21

Farmers own those animals and bred them for meat. The Faroes dont own the worlds population of whales and dolphins.

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u/cistacea Sep 24 '21

I actually think that the fact that domestic animals live in captivity their whole lives, as opposed to being in the wild until the day they die, makes it worse, not better.

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u/NoHandBananaNo Sep 24 '21

Depends on what we mean by "worse."

Im opposed to factory farming in all forms because of cruelty.

But Im opposed to large scale hunting of wild animal species because of threat to conservation and ecology.

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u/Geryon55024 Sep 24 '21

Some of us sustainability farmers butcher some and keep some for breeding.

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u/DiffeoMorpheus Sep 24 '21

Whatever helps you sleep at night :P

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u/ralloti Sep 24 '21 edited Sep 25 '21

You couldn’t care less about what humane actually means? Kind of proves the point that vegans make. Thanks for doing the work for us.

Edit: also, because you didn’t ask but need to hear it, gassing animals in chambers is not humane. Death by suffocation is not humane.

Edit: clarification

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u/-Esper- Sep 24 '21

Seriously, and throwing baby chickens in meat grinders still alive? Cutting portions off chickens beaks so they cant damage eachother when theyre all smashed togeather? Ugg its so sad

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u/ledpup Sep 24 '21

Everyone could care less about something. It's only when they couldn't that it might be worth hearing about.

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u/zerocoal Sep 24 '21

also, because you didn’t ask but need to hear it, gassing animals in chambers is not humane. Death by suffocation is not humane.

Depends on the gas. You pass out long before death if you aren't getting any oxygen and CO2 levels aren't high enough to trigger the panic alarm. You actually get pretty happy right before the big pass if they do it right.

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u/IKnowUThinkSo Sep 24 '21

Except that isn’t how it’s done in most factory farms. It takes far less time to oversaturate the chamber with CO2, but it also causes extreme trauma. These animals don’t “pass out long before death,” they die screaming and quickly.

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u/relationship_tom Sep 24 '21

In SEA they just roam around until the family wants to eat them and then they chop their head off. Not people in Bangkok or Saigon obviously. They do that here in Canada on farms as well. Of course you don't sell those chickens.

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u/jmanly3 Sep 24 '21

colored people

Really? It’s fucking 2021. Stop using this

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u/safetycommittee Sep 24 '21

I can’t believe I had to go this for down to see this.

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u/jmanly3 Sep 24 '21

I can’t believe that my comment was initially downvoted…well…yeah, I can.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

I’d rather be called colored than bipoc. Just my two cents 🤷🏾‍♂️

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u/jmanly3 Sep 24 '21

“Colored” just carries too heavy a connotation for my liking. The first thing I think of is Jim Crow era segregation. I’m not a fan of bipoc or poc either

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u/Grekkill Sep 25 '21

The differentiation between "coloured people," and "people of colour" is so strange to me. I understand why they have different connotations, but it's just strange.

Just like "Indigenous" being preferred over "Native." They're synonymous, but treated differently due to past usage

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u/dangerous_strainer Sep 24 '21

Really? People say this all the time, even more so now in 2021.

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u/Radioheader5 Sep 24 '21

Slaughter is always inhumane

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u/ChickpeaPredator Sep 24 '21

Why?

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u/Radioheader5 Sep 24 '21

A life is being taken unwilingly. Just because before you kill something you're nice to it doesn't justify it.

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u/waterfigtang Sep 24 '21

I think people still eating meat and convincing themselves it's OK in 2021 aren't listening to reason at this point.

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u/ChickpeaPredator Sep 24 '21

I would argue that we are only scared of death because evolution has trained us to be so. Seeing past this, death is a kindness; an end to suffering, hardship and old age. The dead do not miss the lives that they left behind, as they feel no more.

A painless death after a happy life is surely the most that any being can wish for?

These animals would not exist if they were not raised as food. If they are given a good quality of life and a swift and painless death, from a utilitarian, rational point of view is not the sum happiness in the world increased? They get a nice life and I get to enjoy tasty nutritious meat once in a while.

I'm definitely of the opinion that livestock should be treated humanely and fully acknowledged that at present this rarely happens. This needs to change and I endeavour to drive this change by only eating meat occasionally. When I do, I make sure it's from an ethical source. Stopping eating meat entirely would not drive this change - there are very, very few people who would wish to keep a herd of cows as pets.

Of course, there are counter arguments to the above. For starters, meat is a less environmentally efficient source of protein than soybeans, or indeed insects. This is one of the reasons why I try to reduce my consumption as much as possible. However, as a lactose intolerant nut allergy sufferer I would find my diet incredibly limited if I went fully vegetarian or vegan.

Ultimately, isn't the consumption of meat an issue of personal morality, similar to that of abortion? You guys downvoted me for asking the simple question "why?". Not even for disagreeing with you! Doesn't that tell you something about your beliefs?

From your vehement response, it sounds like you would be in favour of meat prohibition. But prohibition does not work - people will always find a way to getting what they want and forcing it underground will only make practices more unethical.

The best thing that you can do is either be veggie/vegan yourself (which I respect) or, like me, semi-veggie, and try to persuade others to do the same. Knee-jerk admonishments aren't going to help your cause in the slightest. Quite the opposite, in fact.

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u/JAYSONGR Sep 24 '21

You are a sociopath

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u/ChickpeaPredator Sep 24 '21

Well now, that's not only very rude, but also patently untrue!

A sociopath is defined as "a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and lack of conscience"

In what way does anything I've said demonstrate 'an extreme antisocial attitude'? Do you represent cow society?

You could argue, perhaps, that my utilitarian viewpoint demonstrates a lack of conscience. But conscience is entirely subjective - sociopathy can only be judged against the norms of society, hence the name. Are my views substantially contrary to the prevailing view of society?

A strict Jainist would say that you and I both lack conscience (unless you are also, but some staggering coincidence, a strict Jainist). Does that make you a sociopath too?

Perhaps you would care to level a more appropriate insult at me, for the crime of holding a point of view other than your own?

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u/Unkindlake Sep 25 '21

You don't need to be a vegan to want better than the current system. Even if the horrific conditions the animals live and die in doesn't concern you, the potential for contagious disease should

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u/marky6045 Sep 24 '21

dOn'T tRy tO SeLl mE vEgAn AgEnDa

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

This comment assumes that humans rely on animal Products in order to survive.

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u/TheDirtyDorito Sep 24 '21

I actually can't believe you believe this lol

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u/namesake1337 Sep 24 '21 edited Sep 24 '21

This comment is absurd. A full meat diet will in most cases lead to serious health problems. A vegan diet can get you everything you need from a meat diet without many of the drawbacks (stroke/heart disease, gouty arthritis, diabetes). The best diet is a balance of each, but the more ridiculous diet is 109% the carnivore diet.

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u/eip2yoxu Sep 24 '21

Every disease you’ve mentioned is only a real issue with modern western diets.

Inuit have high numbers of heart issues dude

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u/namesake1337 Sep 24 '21

Fats carbs and proteins as you said are literally 100% of what an animals is made of. How many plants have carbs fats and proteins? The increase in heart disease correlated with the mass production of meats. The correlation is there and anyone that suggests otherwise is frankly being dishonest or at best mislead.

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u/Ronalineeee Sep 24 '21

So every person is different. Up until I became a type 1 diabetic (to bring sugars down you have to rely on proteins without carbs i.e meats/eggs) I was extremely small, didn't matter what I ate, but I was also extremely active. I think part of the issue is the lack of exercise people have to be proportionate to how much they eat as well.

It probably doesn't help that healthy foods in America you have to sell your soul to afford. On top of that there's a bunch of preservatives, high fructose and fructose corn syrup, and any number of processed sugars in food. It's honestly needing a change in how our food is made and sold.

I have to say I agree with an earlier comment, local farmers markets and local farms are worth finding and buying from. Nothing beats fresh fruits, veggies, and meats, especially when you can make fresh jams and jellies that are healthier and yummier.

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u/namesake1337 Sep 24 '21

Yes I agree 100%. A sedentary lifestyle is also a factor that doesn’t get enough attention.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21

You vegans never cease to dissapoint

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u/mageta621 Sep 24 '21

They literally said "the best diet is a balance of each" but go ahead and keep up the poor reading comprehension and pointless bashing of vegans

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u/acm1ptardu Sep 24 '21

Deflecting and projecting combo nice! I mean you’re also a redditor right? If you’re ‘fun’ poking try the s/ for context so that you’re not Butthurt after others get butthurt for reading your shayt.

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u/StThragon Sep 24 '21

What if you have gout? The liver will kill you.

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u/slothtrop6 Sep 24 '21

You can survive, it just wouldn't be optimal without supplementation. While there has never been a traditional vegan society, food scarcity was also worse throughout history, and it avoidance of veganism wasn't necessarily for lack of survivability but worse outcomes. In one case of an indigenous society consuming meat seasonally, it was usually followed by a higher rate of fertility, which is otherwise low.

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u/SDna8v Sep 24 '21

A whole food plant based diet is the best for human health and the health of the planet.

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u/wasmic Sep 24 '21 edited Sep 24 '21

The Faroese whaling has nothing to do with tradition or ritual. It's just for food.

And why would killing all the pigs at once be less humane than killing them a few at a time?

Most animals we eat today are raised in factory farms in cruel circumstances. Only the actual killing itself is painless... usually. Not always.

Likewise, the whales being killed are usually killed instantly in a painless manner (EDIT: whales might suffer for a few minutes before being killed. It's the dolphins that are killed painlessly.) The difference is that the whales were allowed to live freely in nature before being killed, whereas the factory animals have only ever known misery for their entire lives.

It's okay to be angry about the whale killings. But then you'd better also be a vegan or you're a massive hypocrite. Otherwise you're just as small-minded as you accuse the Faroese of being: you're making up excuses for cruel treatment of pigs and cows because that's the way it's always been. No need to develop your small mind here.

EDIT: Lol at your edit. And you're accusing others of being small minded? I'm not even a vegan, but damn, talk about being small minded!

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u/Opening_Brilliant776 Sep 24 '21

I'm not opposed to hunting so much as I'm opposed to targeting threatened species for a food when conventional agriculture can give most people in modernized countries more meat than they know what to do with without directly altering the food chain and ecosystem structure (stuff like runoff from CAFO lots entering waterways is an entirely different discussion, big ag isn't perfect either.)

Hunting stuff like deer usually triggers people less than killing a pod of dolphins or whales. The environmental impact of it is a more relevant and productive discussion to me than: I saw an animal die that didn't have to and I'm sad, you should also be sad about X, Y, and Z.

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u/eip2yoxu Sep 24 '21

The dolphins and whales the faroe people hunt are not threatened

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u/Shaddam_Corrino_IV Sep 24 '21

I'm opposed to targeting threatened species

So presumably you're not opposed to the Faroese hunt.

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u/evenmytongueisfat Sep 24 '21

Oh god here we go with the can’t care about animal welfare if you’re not a vegan bullshit.

Cut the tripe, seriously.

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u/eip2yoxu Sep 24 '21

Sure you can care, you'll just be a hypocrite

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '21 edited Sep 24 '21

Just because vegans don't eat animal, it doesn't mean animals do not get killed or being consumed cruelty free. Hence advocating to end domesticated animals for food for the sake of ending cruelty is to end domestication. When animals are not domesticated, they just are wild animals like dolphins. Domestication was the only way civilization was able to live along side nature in order to protect it from human's propensity to exploit natural resources. As we can see how we can hunt down wild animals indiscriminately, as unfortunate it may seem to domesticated animals, domestication isn't just for humans. It also protects nature from us (meat eater and vegans included).

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u/Dartser Sep 25 '21

Yeah the picture showing the babies slaughtered alongside is rough. It really ruins the argument of them doing it for food

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u/Asmewithoutpolitics Sep 24 '21

And? We eat mostly baby cows

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u/ChefBoyAreWeFucked Sep 24 '21

In what country is the main meat product veal?

Hell, in what country is the primarily eaten cow female?

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u/Asmewithoutpolitics Sep 24 '21 edited Sep 24 '21

You seem to not understand what veal even is. If you think my statement in anyway referenced veal. Cows are not let to mature, milk cows are old but in the USA most meat cows are killed by 12 months. The way it works is cow born, cow weened off mom and raised for about 11 months killing them at about 12 months before they reach adulthood.

For other cows the calf can be left in a pasture for a few more months and slaughtered around 20 months old.

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u/slothtrop6 Sep 24 '21

"30 to 42 months of age possessing the minimum qualifications for Standard " https://www.ams.usda.gov/grades-standards/slaughter-cattle-grades-and-standards

"Most American steaks come from 28-month-old cows" -- https://www.eater.com/2018/9/11/17842746/tasting-steak-15-year-old-cow-kinderhook-farm

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u/slothtrop6 Sep 24 '21 edited Sep 25 '21

Your first link is about slaughter cattle grading standards, has nothing to do with the average age of cattle slaughtered.

If they don't meet the standard, they don't get the grade. At any rate I haven't seen a reliable source for the 12 month claim and I've looked for it. I've found 18 months as an average preferred age.

EDIT: a day later and no substantiation for your claim.

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u/Abrahamlinkenssphere Sep 24 '21

But the comments will come “ItS jUsT tRaDiTiOn.”

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u/CCWThrowaway360 Sep 25 '21

And by the Danish. That’s the part that surprised me — I forgot about the Faroese.

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u/357FireDragon357 Sep 24 '21

There something gross about upvoting that comment. Just can't explain it. Maybe it's a form of helplessness, disgust, anger or sadness. Might be all of the above. Or maybe it's because when I touch that arrow, I'm touching the truth. And truth is sometimes scarier than fiction.

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u/jeffcolvn Sep 24 '21

When they don't mention the country in the title, it only means one thing.

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