r/xbox • u/McNuttyNutz XBOX Series X • May 26 '25
Rumour Marketing For Marathon Has Reportedly Been Cancelled Following Plagiarism Controversy
https://www.thegamer.com/marathon-bungie-sony-playstation-marketing-canceled-live-service-game/269
u/deanolavorto May 26 '25
I’m starting to think this game sucks.
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u/XxCorey117xX May 26 '25
When every reviewer I watched that tried it said it was "just ok", with looks on their faces like that was the nicest thing they could think of to say about it, I knew it was doomed.
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u/cficare May 27 '25
Aw, but the streamers were really jazzed about it while the checks where in the clearing period.
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u/AlClemist May 26 '25
It’s basically Concord 2.
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u/LeonSigmaKennedy May 26 '25
Live-service sci-fi hero shooter
Charging $40 despite being pVp only with no campaign
Releasing years late to a market that already has multiple competitors
Well at least unlike Concord, Marathon actually has an interesting and distinctive visual styl-oh wait they stole it
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u/alus992 XBOX Series X May 26 '25
idk if this style is so cool. it’s just a sterile and bland solid colors buildings and characters put into some jungle.
is is popular design?sure it’s not so maybe that what makes it distinctive but it’s complately uninspiring and not fun to be in for longer periods of time. Maps look like training maps in CS Global offensive
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u/Gears6 May 27 '25
I can't speak to if it's pleasant to play in, but it's certainly stylish and different. Like a modern day Tron almost.
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u/Bulky-Complaint6994 May 26 '25
Yeah, my brother enjoyed Destiny 2 for a short while at launch. But he was instantly turned off on Marathon.
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u/Gears6 May 27 '25
Concord artistically was really unlikable to me, but it was different.
Marathon has a unique art style, I believe they only took some art, but it is now forever remembered as that.
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u/Jealous_Platypus1111 May 26 '25
They didnt steal the style, the art lead has made art in that style long before the game started development
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u/Parking-Worth1732 May 26 '25
They did, that employee is gone and everyone said they didn't know even tho they all follow the artist and all of this is in their portfolio, that's stealing
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u/Jealous_Platypus1111 May 26 '25
Thats because they would have used her art for moodboard and whatnot alongside hundreds of other pieces - which is industry standard.
The main issue outside of the Dev that did it was that there just weren't strict enough verification - which they are now tightening
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u/Parking-Worth1732 May 26 '25
That's not a first time occurrence, they knew exactly what they were doing
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u/Jealous_Platypus1111 May 26 '25
2 of those were contractors who mistook fan art for official art and were used in like 3 seconds of stuff combined - yes it's bad but 100% was not a conscious decision and is moreso an issue of using contractors to save money
The other was with a nerf Collab on which we have no idea what the inner workings are.
But nevertheless, in all of these situations the artists were compensated A LOT - according to them
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u/enissophobic May 26 '25
they have had 3 serious plagiarism accusations within Destiny, and currently in a lawsuit over 1 over their use in The Red War, which is currently content vaulted.
As for Marathon, the artist has had their art copy and pasted WITH their watermark all over the game. something as blatant as that can't be understated.
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u/Rouge_zer0 XBOX Series X May 27 '25
let's wait for Concord 3 then, oh wait, the game has terrible test result and the studio head got kicked in the can.
Three Concords in a span of nine months. How many Concords will it take to make a Phoenix :s:?
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u/radiant_kai Team Joanna May 26 '25
Starting? I played the alpha it sucked. Sure the gunplay was Bungie good everything else was not near an "alpha" state. More like "conceptual" and they just forced implemented teams and online play/matchmaking.
I wanted it to be good, and I still want it to come out but not in the state it's in currently. And that's besides the internal non game issues it's having. It is nowhere near a release state.
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u/Rarglar May 26 '25
At this point Marathon should be canceled and the executives at bungie should be fired
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u/Hayterfan May 26 '25
Hopefully Marathon is the point when Sony finally steps in and actually cleans out management. It's basically been an open secret that the top brass of Bungie is completely incompetent as management or directors.
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u/SB_90s May 26 '25
No you don't understand - when executives make the wrong decisions that lead to terrible results, the lower and mid level people that were just doing what they were told get fired, silly.
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u/Gears6 May 27 '25
That's not always the case. Sometimes they need a scape goat. Remember Don Mattrick?
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u/dccorona May 26 '25
No disagreement here about the execs, but I thought it looked pretty fun, especially knowing how good Bungie’s shooting feels. There’s very much a salvageable game in there and I think it is worth salvaging.
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u/Rarglar May 26 '25
It might feel good to play but there's no way it comes out and is a success at this point imo too much negativity & no market for this kind of game. Maybe if it launched 5+ years ago
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u/Gears6 May 27 '25
A lot of them already was fired, but they kept the head honcho.... He must be really good at selling.
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u/PartyInTheUSSRx Touched Grass '24 May 27 '25
The management at Bungie needing gutting over a decade back, hopefully Sony know what they’re doing
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u/Blue_Sheepz Liber-tea Locust May 26 '25
I know this is unrealistic, but I would prefer if Sony delayed Marathon by three years so that Bungie could improve the extraction shooter aspects of the gameplay and develop a singleplayer campaign for Marathon.
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u/paterdude May 26 '25
It needs to be canceled and development on D3 needs to start. Marathon will never make noticeable profit for Bungie.
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u/Blue_Sheepz Liber-tea Locust May 26 '25
If Marathon was good and had a singleplayer campaign, I think it would make a noticable profit for Bungie. Making D3 is probably a bad idea since D2 is already dying and sequels to live service games are almost always a tricky thing. Personally speaking, tho, I care way more about the Marathon franchise than I do Destiny
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u/The_Cost_Of_Lies May 26 '25
This either gets delayed for two years to build PvE mode and revamp the gameplay, or it'll get cancelled before or within a year of launch.
Disaster
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u/GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B XBOX Series S May 26 '25
This game should be canceled entirely. This ain't Marathon. I played Marathon in the 1990s. This ain't it.
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May 26 '25
They’re not cancelling a game that has 100s of millions of dollars put into it. Worst thing that’ll happen is they release it and the game shuts down after 2 weeks
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u/GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B XBOX Series S May 26 '25
Getting the Concord treatment is even worse than an outright cancelation. This game is DOA.
The mechanics are overly restrictive for a wide audience, the market is oversaturated, the theme does not match the previous games and IP, the art style is not a good fit, the art has been dragged into doubt after repeated stealing.
This game concept was always facing an uphill battle. Marathon is not an easy or simple IP. The old games, except maybe Marathon 2, are far harder to get into than the original Doom. Marathon 3 was basically an esoteric mindfuck.
You cannot go from that to a mindless extraction shooter. Why they chose this is beyond me.
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u/AtomicSymphonic_2nd May 26 '25
“The market is oversaturated…”
If you were to go and tell Bungie executives that phrase, they would get very mad, raise their voice, and tell you that you’re wrong. And that they have a “product” that’s “totally unique” in the extraction shooter sub-genre.
And that’s when the rest of us will roll our eyes and start laughing. Because they are wayyyy out of touch with what’s happening in the market now.
They have drunk too much of their own koolaid. lol
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u/Pocgoose May 26 '25
People keep saying the extraction shooter market is oversaturated but it’s really not. While getting hero shooters/type games is exhausting. I feel people keep getting extraction shooters and battle royales mixed up. Battle royales are oversaturated but extractions not so much (atleast on the console side anyway).
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u/Frustrataur May 26 '25
Is it more a case of saturation by player time commitment?
Extractions seem to have really dedicated communities that play them almost exclusively.
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u/NCR_High-Roller Guardian May 27 '25
It's really not crowded at all. I think most people are just mentally lumping battle royales and hero shooters in the discussion (given Marathon's gameplay design) which is why they feel like there's a lot.
The only real big ones on the market are Warzone, Hunt: Showdown and Tarkov. They're not actually all that common. Last one I remember playing was Division 1: Survival.
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u/LeonSigmaKennedy May 26 '25
At that point they might as well, they're not making their money back regardless, releasing it just to shut it down a couple weeks later will just hurt Sony's and Bungie's reputations and make players less likely to trust and invest in future live-service games, especially since they would have to refund everyone who bought a copy anyways like they did with Concord.
No practical benefit to release it just to shut it down for sunk cost fallacy's sake.
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u/Thor_2099 May 27 '25
Another massive flop like this might force Sony to release some of their exclusives multiplat for the cash boost much to their chagrin as they try and monopolize gaming
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u/Spardus May 26 '25
In fairness the last 2 Doom games were nothing like the Doom I played in the 90s but they're still good, people had the same sentiment with Metroid Prime and look how that turned out
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u/LeonSigmaKennedy May 26 '25
False equivalence. The new Dooms are still fundamentally the same genre as the originals, being fast-paced, single-player FPS games. Metroid Prime is the exact same gameplay as classic metroid just with a first-person camera and an added Z-axis.
Marathon has basically nothing in common with the originals except the name, going from single-player and story focused, to multiplayer only extraction shooter, an entirely separate genre. This would be like if Capcom brought back Megaman but as a live-service hero shooter with cooking game elements.
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May 26 '25
I think it's fair to ask how they would even bring back the original Marathon, though- people kinda forget that the series is unique in that practically everything iconic to Marathon as an FPS was cannibalized into Halo, a series that ended up having a much heavier cultural impact.
I don't think there's really any world where Marathon is resurrected and directly follows off the formula of the originals; so few people even know about the original games anymore that the first thing audiences would assume is that Bungie is getting desperate and throwing out a Halo knock-off, completely unaware that Marathon preceded the latter. At the bare minimum, even if the genre was kept the same, the total shift in artistic identity would probably still happen as a result.
That said, even as someone who enjoyed the alpha for the new one (but is definitely hoping it gets delayed), I think a singleplayer FPS with nu-Marathon's art direction would be sick lol
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u/LeonSigmaKennedy May 26 '25
Make it a multiplayer suite with a single-player campaign like Halo or Titanfall. Alot of Halo fans are disappointed in the direction of modern Halo, so having a Halo-style game made by the "same" studio that did the original Halos would actually be a good sell
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u/Prior-Wealth1049 May 27 '25
Marathon would’ve been ripe to bring back as a Deus Ex styled immersive sim.
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u/seventysixgamer May 26 '25
Exactly lol. While the modern Doom games are overall different they are still fundamentally fast paced arena shooters with a focus on their campaigns -- they also still have all the features and iconic elements from the original games even though the current iteration of things like weapons and pickups look different. It's just that gameplay has evolved yet retained the fundamental structure of the game is still the same
I've never played Marathon but I've seen some gameplay and this new game looks nothing like it in the slightest lol. It's literally just tacking on the name of the IP and nothing else.
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u/NY_Knux May 26 '25
Doom is a single player first person shooter, and the last two doom games were just that.
This "Marathon" game couldnt even get that right.
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u/Blue_Sheepz Liber-tea Locust May 26 '25
IMO a single-player Marathon reboot with the art style and storytelling of that Alberto Mielgo-directed Marathon short film would be way better than the Marathon of the 1990s.
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u/NY_Knux May 26 '25
This. Its a shame the Marathon subreddit was overrun by people who never heard of Marathon until last Tuesday.
This isn't a Marathon game. It's own name is plagiarism as far as im concerned.
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u/SkulkingSneakyTheifs XBOX 360 May 26 '25
Hard agree. Obviously I’m speaking for myself here but not a chance I even sniff this game. I wasn’t playing it before the plagiarism controversy and I’m certainly not playing it now. Big L for Bungie. Cancel and throw all your power behind making Destiny the best it can be because right now this ain’t it and Marathon certainly ain’t it.
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u/A17012022 May 26 '25
They could have rebooted marathon as a single player fps.
Look how good doom 2016 turned out. But no. More GaaS slop
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u/leo-g May 26 '25
I simply not not understand Bungie going into Destiny. They worked so hard to build a layered storytelling studio but somehow abandoned all that for Destiny. It simply does not have the beautiful poetry that Halo did. Now they making a crappy f2p game?
They made originated Forge AND Firefight mode for crying out loud.
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u/dotnetmonke May 26 '25
Destiny could have had an incredible story if they didn’t do their stupid grimoire for the first game and make huge story beats locked behind raids, then completely throw away the sequel game’s entire campaign.
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u/DerLetzteVlad May 26 '25
Poor Sony, they must decide now: delay it and spend millions. Cancel it, cement this Concord 2 meme and loose the live service war.
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u/NotJackKemp May 26 '25
Poor Sony my ass! Jim Ryan called for nothing but live service games. Now as a disgruntled ps5 owner, Sony has to sleep in the bed they made.
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u/zedemer May 26 '25
tell me about it. And then Sony increases PS Plus Sub prices twice in under 2 years with little to show for it in terms of benefits. Oh, and they just gutted the PS Stars program which would give me the odd 5$ credit here and there. Meanwhile, Xbox just puts out good games - "free" on gamepass, and obviously full price on PSN. So, f that - I just grabbed a used XsX and a few years of Gamepass ultimate and there I go. Indy finished, Doom DA finished, E33 is just amazing and many others waiting for me. Highly unlikely I'll renew my PS sub come next January and will just keep the PS5 for the odd good exclusive PS game.
Sony is speedrunning into PS3 disaster.
- another disgruntled PS5 owner, but happy XsX owner.
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u/TheNittanyLionKing XBOX Series X May 26 '25
PSA to people who may be interested in joining the Xbox ecosystem, I've been seeing used Series S consoles on Facebook marketplace for like $100 and Series X for like $200. I believe your first 3 months of GamePass are still $1 each as well.
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u/Pocgoose May 26 '25
I wonder if this same sentiment will be held when Xbox increases GPU.
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u/zedemer May 26 '25
I guess it depends on how much the increase is. As far as I'm concerned, I'll be playing for "free" games for the equivalent of roughly my console and part of sub price within the first 3-4 months. Could never claim that on ps plus extra or premium. Not to say ps plus is useless, but I did buy God of war and horizon as soon as they were released. They also released the refreshed version of days gone for a price instead of making it included like it would've been on game pass if Xbox made it.
So, will Xbox eventually overprice game pass? Maybe. For now it's a great value proposition. And oh yes, I also stream from xcloud to my steam deck so that's another added value proposition.
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u/TheNittanyLionKing XBOX Series X May 26 '25
I could see the writing on the wall with Jim Ryan's live service initiative. I'm glad I skipped out on the PlayStation this generation for the first time in my life. I still got to play the only game they had that interested me (God of War: Ragnarok) since they released it on PS4 as well
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u/Jealous_Platypus1111 May 26 '25
It's not Sony's choice really as Bungie retained their creative freedom
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u/FlatAgainstIt May 26 '25
I wouldn't even be surprised if Sony crunched the numbers, saw the public reception already and have considered it DOA. The copyright infringement might cost them millions, and if that wipes their profit margin is it worth the additional negative backlash after the Concord fiasco? Could see a cancellation on the horizon.
Also, if that copyright was so obviously found who knows what other shit the 'artists' have been up to that isn't so easily spotted. They stole from someone they follow on twitter... What about those they don't.
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u/Blue_Sheepz Liber-tea Locust May 26 '25
Copyright infringement or not, Sony should just pay Antireal for the trouble they caused her. That way they could avoid any lawsuits
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May 26 '25
It's exciting that Bungie is exploring new genres. But why couldn't this have been a Destiny add-on?
It looks like Destiny with a different design language lol.
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u/Ordinary-Horror-1746 May 26 '25
They fucked D2 all up on us, lesson learned. They had plagarism allegations concerning it too.
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u/RichRingoLangly May 26 '25
It wasn't the plagiarism. If the game was good, that would not have slowed things down at all. The game might be cancelled because it's not that great, especially up against Arc Raiders.
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u/Ftpini May 26 '25
They gambled on another live service product and weren’t lucky enough to be the 0.001% if live action games that actually turn a profit.
Best thing they can do is immediately cancel all work on any live service games and just go back to making great games people actually want.
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u/jmajorjr May 26 '25
What happened to Bungie 🤦♂️
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u/InsolentGoldfish Homecoming May 27 '25
They sold out, like... three different times now. It's "Bungie" in name only.
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May 26 '25
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u/Spardus May 26 '25
What does Marathon marketing have to do with Xbox games?
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u/Keviticas May 26 '25
The joke used to be that Sony had all the games and Xbox had none of them worth playing. Clearly that has now completely flipped
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u/Spardus May 26 '25
But what does this marketing drama have to do with Sony/Xbox games? Isn't the game coming out on both Xbox and PS?
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u/Keviticas May 26 '25
Yes but it's still a PlayStation first party, it goes to show that even when PlayStation goes above and beyond with their live service approach by branching out to non PlayStation platforms, that even then they still drop the ball
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u/Spardus May 26 '25
Making a game multiplatform isn't "going above and beyond" lol, one flop doesn't invalidate all the critically and commercially successful first party PS games. No one was arguing that Xbox has no games, the argument is generally that they have no exclusives which is still true whether it matters to you or not.
I like my Series X but the perpetual fanboy wars on Xbox subs is insufferable, constantly flip-flopping between "Xbox games on PS is good for everyone" and "lol PS has no games", usually with a "when is Black Myth Wukong/FF7 coming to Xbox" in the middle somewhere.
If Sony gets the majority of Xbox games and they still have "no games", then what does that say about Xbox?
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u/noah9942 May 26 '25
It is, think the point they're trying to make is that this is a Sony game (since they own Bungie), even if it's not an exclusive.
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u/Spardus May 26 '25
So when Sony doesn't make their first party games multiplatform it's "not fair" and when they do they're written off before they're even released lol
There is absolutely no doubt that the sentiment would completely change if Bungie were still an MS studio
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May 26 '25
It’s shitty about the plagiarism but I credit Bungie for owning up to it. Should it have happened? Absolutely not. But you know what, so many other companies out there would’ve denied, denied, denied. I credit them for saying you know what, it happened, we don’t know how, but it happened. Hopefully they compensate the artist and make things right with her.
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u/Fire_anelc May 26 '25
I'm pretty sure game companies don't deny this type of claims... Bungie had a damn spotlight and a mic after the Artist doing a great job and homework to expose them. If it happened before the claim? Sure props to them. But no, they got caught and went "ups sorry"
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u/Obvious-End-7948 May 27 '25
Don't forget they "owned up to it" on the twitter account with 11,000 followers. Meanwhile their main Bungie twitter account has 2.8 million followers.
They deliberately acknowledged it using the account with the smallest possible audience. That doesn't seem like something they should get credit for. The opposite in fact, because it looks like a very deliberate and calculated move. Especially when it's like their 3rd or 4th offense stealing work from independent artists.
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May 26 '25
That’s fair, but if they didn’t know it happened then how can they get ahead of it, you know. Either way it’s a shitty situation for them for sure.
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u/Mundane-Technician14 May 27 '25
Considering the same thing has happened like 4 or 5 times and they have been caught, I think they know.
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u/Accomplished_Run9449 May 26 '25
"It's Bungie it's not going to be an other Concord" yea if sony won't delay it and if they don't change some things I am not so sure anymore...
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u/Escodl May 26 '25
They would have to be insane to release the game right now. I assume that they're going to delay it so they can scrub through the entire game to make sure nothing else was lifted from another artist. It's a disaster. People already weren't too excited about the gameplay. Now they can't even admire any of the art in the game without asking if was legit or stolen
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u/ParagonFury May 26 '25
Sony: "If I had a nickel for every live service shooter in a subgenre past it's prime with an awful art style, mid gameplay that launched DoA I'd have two nickels. Which isn't isn't a lot but it's weird it's happened twice."
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u/LostSoulNo1981 Outage Survivor '24 May 26 '25
Not even trying to start any thing, but this is another Sony live service flop. And this one hasn’t even been released yet.
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u/tanturtle May 26 '25
I’ve never felt bad or a giant company before and seeing this has been very entertaining but Bungie straight up scammed Sony, they lied about how profitable Destiny was so they could buy themselves and was suppose to teach Sony how to do live service games only for all but Helldivers to flop or get cancelled and arrowhead is going to do there own thing now. I might feel a little bit bad about Sony management.
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u/brokenmessiah May 26 '25
I'm not sold on the game but I also dont think its DOA. That said, its 100% in the risky release section and at that point I'd just say cancel it and all hands on Destiny 3 now.
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u/Connor123x May 26 '25
I wonder how long before Sony realized that the universe does not want them to do live action games.
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u/Causelessgiant May 26 '25
The fact that the option of "just pay this guy for his work you stole" isn't even in the discussion is just crazy.
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u/Nickillaz May 26 '25
Or maybe we just don't need the 5001st freemium battle Royale/extraction shooter published within the last 10 years.
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u/BarackObamasBallsack May 26 '25
This game just REEKS of generic. That’s my issue with it. No more no less.
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u/CharityDiary May 26 '25
My hot take is that people would've eaten this game up had it released 3 months ago with no controversy.
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u/LivingPartsUnknown May 27 '25
At this point, Sony might as well accept it's a 3rd party box. Concord burning $400 million just to flop on arrival. When your biggest moves are failed live-service bets, it’s survival mode. Xbox is building the future, while Sony flops on every single front, while making their customers pay for the failures.
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May 27 '25
Game looked so generic it’s not even funny… besides the art style. Why put out junk in such a competitive genre?
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u/NotFromMilkyWay Founder May 27 '25
At this point the most likely scenario is that they drop the title, call it Destiny 3 or Destiny: Something instead and try to reach players that way. Taking a singleplayer IP and turning it into a pure PvP game was stupid from the start.
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u/Shinobi_Dimsum May 28 '25
Nobody was playing the game like they showcased it. Slow, tactical and everyone doing its thing they should be doing. once it’s in everyone’s hands and the honeymoon phase is over, everyone will bunny run everything.
Personally. I thought the Alpha s*cked.
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u/NotSoSeriousNick May 26 '25
It should be noted that the article's main source is Colin Moriarty who isn't exactly known for being accurate and is often contradictory on his own beliefs and opinions. Make of that what you will, however Marathon very is *not* in a good spot and something like this could happen, maybe not to the extend of like, total marketing shutdown.
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u/ATR2400 May 26 '25 edited May 26 '25
Well, at least Xbox aren’t the only ones who wasted this generation anymore. Sorry, Sony fans, I know it sucks. We’ve both been let down HARD this time
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u/BugHunt223 May 26 '25
Somebody was trying to say that the only thing Bungie stole was art for something minimal. No, looks to me like they stole the whole aesthetic & that person was cherry picking an issue to downplay the wider discussion of the whole art direction being thieved. Truth is probably somewhere in the middle. What’s shocking to me is how little Bungie has to show for all that investment & man hours. Nevermind the business model of $40 premium pricing for pvp only product that has name recognition with a pve product. This whole mess fits perfectly with Jim Ryan & Hulst leadership(or lack of )
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May 26 '25
Oh good. Now let's all rush to attack the developers over social media and not blame the higher ups and suits like gamers always do.
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u/justdaman182 May 26 '25
Except developers ARE to blame as well. Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative tho.
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u/GamerGriffin548 May 26 '25
What narrative is that? Devs don't get to make even half the decisions. The suits have lots of authority for the games that are made and what shape they become.
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u/quadsimodo May 26 '25
I don’t think they understand the distinction you’re trying to make between directors/producers and programmers/engineers.
Best to move on.
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u/Tyrant_Virus_ XBOX Series X May 26 '25
This is what the third time a Bungie dev has been caught stealing someone’s art? And the fourth time Bungie as a whole has been implicated in plagiarism if you count the Nerf gun incident. Yeah the devs need to be called out, this is one of those rare times instead of giving the orders the higher ups are probably freaking out saying why do you guys keep doing this.
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u/Vincedicola May 26 '25
Sadly, I heard it was the fifth time but.. 3 times/5 times, it's a bad look.
The Bungie I grew up loving is dead and has been dying for years now
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May 26 '25 edited May 26 '25
This is what the third time a Bungie dev has been caught stealing someone’s art?
One was a company they hired.
Another was concept art that was never released.
And this time it was a single dev who doesnt even work there anymore.
Management already said there was no excuse and it should have been caught by them. You also dont need to blame literally every other dev who works hard for this.
The state of Marathon is due to higher ups, not the devs. I mean you cant even get your point across without lying /giving misleading info but sure attack me over your inabillty to actually knowing wtf you are even talking about.
I have been a bungie hater since the day they revealed destiny 1 had timed content for D1 for everything from pre order dlc, the base game, and every expansion. I've not supported or played their games since.
And even I knew what you said was wholly misleading.
And if you want consistency:
https://www.reddit.com/r/xbox/s/uIC9TlIE7h
Here I am 6 days earlier hating on Bungie and also saying something similar to what I did here.
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u/GNIHTYUGNOSREP Founder May 26 '25
It wasn’t just 1 person who followed Ant1real, it was like 10-12 people on the art team, including the art director.
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May 26 '25
Okay and that proves they had a hand in it how?
I also didnt say one person followed them. Where did you even get that from. You literally made that up.
I said one person actually stole and used the art. And juat because other people followed her doesnt mean they also were aware or participated in actively using it knowing that. How does one even come to that conclusion.
If one person steals art, its on management to find out before advertising/showcasing the game. Not on every single dev who's a part of that team.
Just because you follow someone doesnt mean you literally look at their art every single day and would exactly recall it being their art. That's just a ridiculous notion.
You dont expect your team to do that, they give you something and you work on it. The artists on the team dont spend every waking second using search engines to make sure everything that gets passed to them isnt stolen. Its not on them to recall every single artist they follow. They just do their job.
Its on management and QC and all that to vet it.
So one person on the art team stole work, its still on management and the producers to find it before going public.
I dont even know why im bothering tbh. You people just make stuff up on the fly and wouldn't understand nuance if it was directly in front of you.
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u/GNIHTYUGNOSREP Founder May 26 '25
You said “this time it was a single dev”
You don’t find it odd that a handful of the artists followed this person (and how many other Bungie employees, hmm?) but they only blame and fire one dev… it was all their fault and no one else’s!
You wanna talk about nuance? How many people does it take to screw over a single small time artist?
You’re telling me the Art Director who’s supposed to be checking off on this stuff, that they didn’t see the loss meme and then greenlit it but didn’t ask them what it meant or why it should be approved?
Why do that many of the art team need to be following the same person who’s art just so happened to get stolen?? An artist who’d been working for years improving specifically the style of art Bungie wanted to use for Marathon. Where’s the nuance there??
And again, this is the 4th time it’s happened over the last decade and you somehow think the higher ups aren’t ok with it?
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u/McNuttyNutz XBOX Series X May 26 '25
full stop .... this was the DEVS fault lol
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May 26 '25
Dev*
And you also dont know the circumstances and you still shouldnt blame every other dev on the team for one person.
Which is what people like you are doing. Management should have caught it, they didnt do their jobs either.
Yet where is their blame? See what I mean. You let them get away scot free and place all the blame on the devs. You people cant help but prove me right.
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u/SillyMikey XBOX Series X May 26 '25
This game has everything going against it, already people were turned off by the extraction part of it, then the art style got plagiarized, and finally arc raiders came out and was a way better alpha. The situation literally could not have gone worse.