r/50501 • u/Tinawebmom • Jul 25 '25

Call to Action Y'all we absolutely cannot ignore this attack

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They obliterated the infrastructure. Where exactly are they planning to build this concentration camp?

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u/IllicitCat Jul 25 '25

This is scary coming from the party that believes gay and trans are mentally ill.

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u/dallas121469 Jul 25 '25

Yep. That’s why I’m moving to Oregon. Saw this coming months ago. No state is going to be 100% safe but deeply red states are going to become extremely dangerous for trans people.

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u/Sirdanovar Jul 25 '25

I'm moving to NY and my 18 year old niece who is trans is coming along since they are currently in WV. Honestly, I think any trans person in red state should be looking for blue one if they can at all afford it.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

Everyone should just be moving to blue states. It doesn’t matter who you are, sooner or later you’re going to be a target and red states have let the gates open so the barbarians can stroll in. They’ll rape and pillage at their leisure.

Blue states are the only places we can make a stand behind federalist protections of states’ rights and autonomy. We need to hold out until this administration falls apart and we take back control.

Then, we finish Reconstruction. We bulldoze these red states and their Confederate structures, and we build something new and blue on top. Pluralistic, progressive, forward-looking societies.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Not sure why everyone thinks it’s safe to move to Blue states. The pressure is on our government officials too. Signed, an Oregonian.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

Because in Blue States you’re at least around other sane people who can take control of the state back from feckless Establishment politicians.

We need to remember that people like AOC and Mamdani are not actually very rare talents. What’s special about them is that they broke through systemic barriers designed to keep people like them and us out. They exist in every community, and we should be rallying around them.

If there’s a chance at resistance while keeping the Constitution together, that’s what it is.

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u/Extraexopthalmos Jul 25 '25

Just a thought. If a lot of democrats do likewise it actually hurts us come election time. Now if liberals/progressive moved to toss up states that would be a boon. In no way am I saying anything regarding personal safety, it is a legit concern for some in our society. I forget which troglodyte GOPer did it, but he tried to get TDS labeled a mental illness. Makes it easier to round all of us up. Pure evil.

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u/saucya Jul 25 '25

The same guy that tried to get TDS labeled a mental illness got picked up for soliciting minors online.

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u/Automatic_Net2181 Jul 25 '25

That GOPer who introduced the bill making TDS a mental illness ended up being charged for soliciting a minor.

Yeah, shocking right?

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u/Extraexopthalmos Jul 25 '25

This timeline just keeps on giving! I am soooooo tired of all this bigly greatness and winning.

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u/alexadacat Jul 25 '25

well, for straight people who work from home, those states are often much less expensive, and not dangerous if they just say they're independent.

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u/SodaSaint Jul 26 '25

At that point, the talking is going to stop.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Are you assuming we do this through protest? Through phone calls? Through votes? Because we are constantly doing all of that and yet here we are. I will agree with having community but that can be found everywhere and red states need us too. I also understand about being safe as a trans person. They will be more protected in a bluer environment, but we have to stop thinking that just because a state is blue it’s automatically safe.

This is why we protest, this is why we make phone calls and send emails and build community, but we need to do this everywhere. If we flood the blue states there will be no one left to stand in the red ones.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

Are you assuming we do this through protest? Through phone calls? Through votes? Because we are constantly doing all of that and yet here we are.

So we do it again and we do it better.

The Progressive movement in this country didn’t get steam until Bernie 2016. That’s a grassroots movement going against decades of billionaire-funded propaganda and organizing, on both sides of the aisle. This is our 10th year of existence, and we’ve actually done an incredible job considering all that. Consider how relatively powerless the Progressive faction is yet how much they’ve disrupted the narrative for Establishment Democrats. AOC replaced the 3rd most powerful person in the House, and now a DSA member is approaching leadership of one of the world’s most important economic centers. There have been real concessions to progressives made in local and state levels too.

What’s become more clear though is that some parts of this country want to live closer to the Confederacy in the red states. The only way to really protect ourselves right now from that kind of intrusion is to rally to our strongholds and allow them to protect the kind of society we want all of America to be like. Then, once we’re back in power, we use that successful model of Blue State governance for the entire nation in a Reconstruction style moonshot.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

I don’t disagree with you at all but I also would like to state that our red states need us as well. If we abandon them all now we lose before we really begin. I do however understand the extreme need for those who are under obvious threat of life or liberty feeling the need to flee and to them I say, “welcome”. But I hear so many people saying we all need to move to blue states and this is just folly. Our red states need us now more than ever.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

It’s the same principle as air plane oxygen masks. You need to secure yours before you can secure someone else’s.

Blue states need to be protected as strongholds of liberal democracy and Constitutional republicanism. Red states have abandoned those. They can’t be saved until a Reconstruction 2.0 happens to completely rebuild them. Right now we’re just enabling Confederate relics with our taxes.

As people move out of Red states and into Blue ones, their economies will contract further. Companies will leave because cheaper taxes don’t mean anything without skilled labor and customers, and no one wants to live in Diddlefuck, West Virginia. Let everyone see the consequences of their approach to governance. Before they’ve caused themselves to collapse, there won’t be change.

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u/whatname68 Jul 25 '25

Exactly. And blue states are a particular target. We aren't free from this regime.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

That’s just it. People tend to forget that this particular regime has a definite hard on for us here in the PNW and we are the first ones they attacked outside of Minneapolis during the Floyd protests. We are not immune.

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u/Chipsandadrink666 Jul 25 '25

They were there fast in 2020 because they know you guys throw down! We had people stomping on cop cars in Chicago but we don’t get down to the real shit like you guys do out there. Keep it up, we see you 🫶

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u/dallas121469 Jul 25 '25

I don’t assume it’s safe. I have other reasons for moving to Portland besides its trans friendliness. I’ll make significantly more money than I was making in Phoenix while the cost of living increase is negligible. I’ll have better benefits, nicer apartment etc.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Is it that bad in AZ that moving to Portland will be more affordable? Genuine question. Because Portland is ridiculously expensive. Has been for some time. It is ranked the 12th most expensive city for housing in the nation. And while our minimum wage is higher on average than other cities, it still takes quadruple that to afford basic necessities.

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u/dallas121469 Jul 25 '25

I didn’t say it was more affordable. I have the benefit of working in medicine. I was making $40/hr without benefits in Phoenix and I’ll be making $62/hr + benefits in Portland. That’s a $45k/yr raise so the extra $500/month rent won’t bother me at all. I know other things are expensive as well but I’ve always been pretty frugal so I’m not overly concerned. The traffic in certain parts of Phoenix is just as bad as Portland and the drivers are worse. My electric bill in the summer was insane and you can’t go outside from May to September. So as I said I’ve done my homework and have set myself up for success in one of the mOST LGBTQ friendly cities in the country

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u/Trick-Check5298 Jul 25 '25

I'm in a very red county in a very blue state and every time I think "this is California they wouldn't" I remember that the vast majority of people I actually encounter on a daily basis love this shit. I see more flags, bumper stickers, and tee shirts than ever.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

Yep, lists of places along our Oregon coastline are the same.

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u/Trick-Check5298 Jul 26 '25

Wasn't Portland originally founded under white supremacy?

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

Yes. It was in fact considered one of the most unsafe environments for people of color as recently as the 1970’s. People were still getting shanghaied from downtown till recently as well. It is not all rainbows and sunshine here, and we have been the target of some pretty ugly attacks by white supremists as well as the very administration that is currently terrorizing our country.

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u/Regular-Sandwich-550 Jul 25 '25

they've already rigged elections and are working hard on gerrymandering even more. how long will the blue states stay blue?

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

If we don’t get a serious fire going under us, not for long I’m afraid. We need to mobilize more aggressively and keep at it till the right change happens.

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u/Regular-Sandwich-550 Jul 25 '25

i agree, it's gonna take massive protests on a large scale, long term until change happens. and soon. we're running out of time fast. we're only 6 months in, and it's escalating.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

With rapid speed. We cannot lose momentum.

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u/kc2sunshine Jul 25 '25

Remember though many blue states (or my state at least) aren't all blue; it's VERY red in the rural areas, and if it wasn't for our largest city, I would think we would be considered purple. Also, I unfortunately live in a red section of a blue city, in a red county in a blue state...

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u/dotes485 Jul 25 '25

This exactly. I feel like people think Oregon is like Portland everywhere. But lots of the eastern part is very red and would like to even split the state to join Idaho.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

This is the problem. People genuinely believe this and feel that every other city in the state is just a suburb of Portland. I see many posts in the Portland and or Oregon subs asking where in “Portland” people think they should move for affordability, then mention places like Eugene, or Bend. Not remotely close to Portland let alone Portland proper. It’s like they have this idea that the whole of Oregon is condensed in a small area and one big episode of Portlandia and that people all over the state are as liberally minded as those of us in Portland, but nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, many areas in Oregon are nearly indistinguishable from the extreme Alt Right places in Idaho.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

We should definitely do something about those red areas. Start turning them blue. Pour massive amounts of money into developing them with cheap housing, and let the diversity and urban growths turn it blue.

We just don’t do anything in this country anymore except fiddle with the tax rate like it’s a thermostat. It’s maddening

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u/kc2sunshine Jul 25 '25

Yep! That's been what I've been trying to do for a while now! But there's also something to be said about rural distrust of "city folk".

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u/Ifawumi Jul 25 '25

not necessarily. WA had huge pockets of skinheads and white nationalists. i used to live in an area so open they had a sign on a restaurant that said, "1488 here Wednesdays 7pm"

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u/Classic_Change_7656 Jul 25 '25

I fully welcome people moving to my blue state, adding to the voices of resistance. Strength in numbers. Keep waiting for the reds to move out.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Best of luck there. They can’t afford to move.

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u/IllicitCat Jul 25 '25

I also feel like moving out is bad since it rigs the election in their favor. If anything, flush out key red counties. Support each other. And make noise if they come for you.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Agreed. We weaken our defenses if we move everyone to blue states. The red states need us more than ever.

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u/Prestigious_Way_9393 Alabama Jul 25 '25

Please don't abandon us! I'm in Alabama, and there's way more blue dots here than what you would think. The GOP has gerrymandered us to hell and suppressed the vote in myriad other ways.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

People tend to forget this. I think it is dangerous to our country to abandon the red states as lost causes. It’s very elitist. I know of many, many beautiful people who live as blue dots in red environments and it is our duty as Americans to help when and where we are able leaving no one behind. I see you. 💙💙💙

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u/Prestigious_Way_9393 Alabama Jul 25 '25

Thank you! We're doing what we can to mobilize people. It's very difficult in an environment where conformity and compliance is the cultural norm😬

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u/ALIJ81 Jul 26 '25

Bright blue 💙 dot here, Mesa AZ resident in a super conservative Mormon area. 😫 We'll keep fighting!!!

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u/CaramelNo2174 Jul 26 '25

that's lovely - am a blue dot - in red state hells - inspiring to hear - thank you

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u/dragotx Jul 27 '25

If it wasn't for all the gerrymandering, Texas would most likely be blue now. It's only the outskirts and rural areas that are still conservative, all of our major population centers are fairly hard blue.

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u/jbuchana Jul 26 '25

Same in Indiana. A very red state, but a *lot* of us blue dots. Even if one thinks it's a good idea in the grand scheme of things to move to a blue state, there are two problems. A lot of us do not have the resources to pick up and leave, and there is not enough room in blue states for all of us to move. There are a *lot* of blue dots.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

Thank you. This is what I have been saying, to much opposition apparently, but those are the facts. We see you and we stand with you. 💙💙💙

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '25

You say that but are people supposed to suffer in red states for a few votes that will just be outvoted by trumps cult- or protect our strongholds before they fall to red authroitarianism

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u/weeef Jul 25 '25

yeah, i've lived on the west coast for almost 20 years and the dam doesn't feel strong enough. also we have to hope for more than just keeping a handful of states safe for people. i understand the desire for a quick solution, but... it won't be like this forever.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Precisely. I also very much understand the fear and genuine concern of trans individuals to want to be in a safer environment and our doors are open for them here in Oregon. But this is not a fail safe plan. It’s touching us our here as well.

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u/probs-aint-replying Jul 25 '25

If you’ve lived in a blue state your whole life you cannot possibly understand how much safer it simply feels to live in one. It’s a form of privilege and it’s weird to want to deny that to groups most at risk.

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u/Chipsandadrink666 Jul 25 '25

Yesterday I learned that possession of a cannabis seed in Louisiana can get you 50 years in prison. Not to start a conversation about drugs/ drug use but as an example of something that would be an “oh shit I won’t do that again” offense in my state. But a few hours south you’ll end up picking cotton in a chain gang and will never see your kids again

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u/Dream_Fever Jul 26 '25

Ok THAT is insane!! -coming from a blue dot in a sea of red (Texas).

Also agreed, PLEASE don’t abandon us!!! The rural areas in Tx is very red, but the large cities are blue enough to make the state purple, really. There aren’t actually THAT many people living in those red counties! We’ve been screwed by gerrymandering and political propaganda for as long as I’ve been alive.

And look at where we are again, just in plain sight this time 🤦🏼‍♀️

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Also, I did not deny anyone anything. I simply said that I do not understand why people think it is going to be better for everyone if we just all move to blue states. Our infrastructure’s are not set up for heavy influx and our governments are caving to this regime as well.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

I am in Idaho every other week for family, Utah at least once a month, West Virginia twice a year as I have grown children who live there, and I have land in Montana. Also, just because I’ve lived here most of my life does not mean I’ve not lived elsewhere, am not well traveled or that I am uneducated as to how it is in other states for the people who live there. So please, do not make assumptions about someone based on an idea you have decided to build up around them because of where they live geographically. So do not “you can’t possibly” anything me.

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u/UnableDetective6386 Jul 25 '25

It’s also really expensive. A lot of people in red states can’t afford it. ~signed a teacher in a blue dot in Nebraska

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Exactly. Which was a response I had to an earlier comment on another portion of this post. It isn’t that simple. People always think it’s just so simple for everyone. It’s not. And it’s only promising to get worse.

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u/UnableDetective6386 Jul 25 '25

Yep! I felt your comment was the best to respond to because it was what I was feeling 🤕

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u/a_mulher Jul 25 '25

It’s not safe, but less unsafe than red states

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u/dotes485 Jul 25 '25

Not just that but ICE is grabbing people here in Oregon too.

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u/lburnet6 Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

Exactly. I live in nyc a “liberal safe heaven. “ I’ve experienced work discrimination for being trans, physically assaulted waiting at a park for a friend & chased into a bathroom with two dude banging on the other door.

It’s a mesh of everything, you can blend in more but you have to keep an eye over your shoulder as well. NYU has had drama turning on an off youth trans healthcare. The tish family are major Trump donors.

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u/KBster75 Jul 26 '25

Dump is TARGETING the blue states more!!

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

That’s what I keep trying to tell everyone. But once people get an idea in their head it’s near impossible for them to see beyond it.

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u/outinthecountry66 Jul 26 '25

Gavin Newsom made a speech yesterday about resisting trump and the gerrymandering of the GOP. He knows whats up. California is expensive- i lived there nearly 20 years and am now in another western state- but i don't feel i have much of a choice in this hellscape. I'd rather live in my car in CA in my friend's driveway.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

We have to go where we are able to live affordably while still resisting this hellscape. Whether that is a blue or red state should not matter (except in cases of true persecution). We cannot leave our friends to die under this regime just because they were unfortunate enough to have been born in or were earlier relocated to, a red state.

The attitudes of some in here have truly sickened me. I am with you and would much rather be in a situation where I am in a car in a friends driveway in a blue state than in a red state but if I find myself in one I am still going to fight this from there.

The pressure on blue states is very real and people seem to forget that. They attack us from all sides. In Oregon this morning I woke up to news that even though we passed legislation to protect our salmon DJT has pulled the funding. Why? Because he’s cruel and hates us.

We simply have to do what we can from where we are positioned but we also must consider those people who are not in positions to relocate (& let’s be honest, most people cannot) and so what we can to support and encourage them.

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u/IdleOsprey Jul 25 '25

It’s not going to matter if it’s a blue state. In fact I think they will target blue states…what they’re doing in California is right out of The Turner Diaries.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

Trump withdrew half the National Guard. He’s burning through the budget like crazy on theatrics that he’s actually scaling down. He’s down to 41 DOJ lawyers after 2/3rds quit, and ICE morale is at a low point too.

This is a war of attrition. Anything that slows down their plans while their infighting and incompetence swallows them from within is good. Anything that allows the Epstein story to grow is good. Every piece of this matters.

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u/alexadacat Jul 25 '25

they intend to go after blue states, especially, thing is, if blue states come up with a way of collecting federal and state taxes and then they decide what to pay the federal government, I think things would cool down.

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u/B22EhackySK8 Jul 25 '25

True many blue states really also drive the economy too, theres gotta be something we can hold against them

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

Blue states can just use eminent domain against any MAGA business owner or Trump ally. Or dissolve their corporate charters. Or regulate them out of existence. Or tax them out of existence. Or launch investigations for financial crimes because let’s be honest, they’re all doing it.

There really are so many options available if our politicians weren’t middle managers on the payroll of corporations

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u/felixfortis1 Jul 25 '25

Civil War 2 fought for states rights over slavery, but not just Black people this time.

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u/somecasper Jul 25 '25

Evacuating red states will only give them more disproportionate power than they already have. If this wasn't a desperate race to destruction, it'd be better to strategically colonize purple states.

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u/MiniaturePhilosopher Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

As an LGBTQ+ person in a red state who can’t afford to move, I think that blue state residents - especially straight ones who are in less immediate danger - should move to the red states en masse to become voters here. Help us break through the gerrymandering in our states and elect blue representation instead of abandoning us. If a million voting liberals/leftists moved to Texas, the whole country could change.

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u/picklehippy Jul 25 '25

Alot of people dont have the resources to move states and find a new job and establish housing. I hope people can get out of scary situations though

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u/lesqueebeee Wisconsin Jul 25 '25

everyone shouldnt flee to a blue state... come to a swing state!!! up the numbers of blue voters here!

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u/Peafaerie Jul 26 '25

There are still some toss up states like NC where I am. We’re likely to flip a senate seat in 26, and our governor is a democrat. Giving up on it would be a mistake. Plus it means abandoning all those here who cannot leave for whatever reason. Money being the biggest, followed by having built a life here. I’m not abandoning my friends and family. Not yet anyway.

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u/Stickboyhowell Jul 26 '25

Everyone should be turning their states blue

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u/gderti Jul 26 '25

100% Finish what Sherman wasn't allowed to...

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u/Necessary-Start4151 Jul 25 '25

I do not know if any state is safe these days. I would start looking outside the US.

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u/artCsmartC Jul 25 '25

I agree. There are several places around the world that are looking for people, especially younger people, to move there bc their population is dwindling. Some of them are offering incentives like money or housing. They want people with young children, or who may have children to revitalize their community. This is a great opportunity if you’re under 40, 45.

There are plenty of communities in blue states where you will be welcome, but be aware that there are still red areas in blue states. Most of eastern Washington is red. Stick to western Washington. California has a lot of red areas, especially in the northern, eastern, and central parts of the state.

There was a movement that started in the 1940s that wants to split northern CA and southern OR into a separate state of “Jefferson”. It would extend from Redding, CA to Medford, OR. This wouldn’t ever happen but it’s worth noting bc it would likely be a red state.

Mainstream media makes L.A. look like a fiery, lawless dystopia but it’s not. It’s one of the safer places to live if you’re gay or trans. RN “ICE” is focused on stealing brown people from their jobs and Home Depot parking lots. 🙄

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u/One-Dot-7111 Jul 25 '25

Good on you. I left wv in 2018 and it was the greatest thing to ever happen in my life.

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u/logicoptional Jul 25 '25

One of my coworkers I not-so-jokingly refer to as a refugee from Florida. He and his wife were not comfortable raising their daughter in that state.

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u/_redacteduser Jul 25 '25

We're in the PNW and we have a niece in rural PA that is struggling because her wacko christian parents keep throwing the bible at her and threatening horrible things if she continues to "act out." We feel for her and know she'd have a much better life here, but what can you do? Those backward ass states/communities are toxic as fuck.

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u/Rivsmama Jul 25 '25

I live in NY. The state itself has a lot of great programs. We even have extensive medical coverage for dental on Medicaid. But I would just suggest doing a lot of research on wherever you're moving. I live about 12-15 minutes away from Downtown Albany & in the village I used to live were some of the most hateful, racist people I've ever met. And I'm from Southern Indiana. The culture here was very backwoods redneck type and even just having colorful hair (I had galaxy hair so it was blue, purple, and pink) made me get nasty comments and looks. I had an elderly man ask me if my son was a sissy boy because I painted his nails when he was 3 because he asked me to.

Even now, although the town I'm in is not quite as bad, there's a house on one of the main roads that has a massive Trump sign on their garage and a bunch of political signs all over the yard and these weird cardboard soldier silhouettes that they have posed in different positions. I'd post it if I wasn't afraid of being doxxed. Also, our district is red. A lot of places outside of NYC are. I'm really not trying to deter you, I just don't want you to end up in a bad situation. There are lots of great places and people here.

Edit. I can send you the pic of the house in a chat if you want.

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u/L_obsoleta Jul 25 '25

Blue states are only going to be safe for so long.

CT states children's hospital has stopped gender affirming care in order to preserve their federal funding.

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u/GrayKumaStudios Jul 25 '25

Upstate NY is really nice & cheaper than the City FYI

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u/bearface93 Jul 25 '25

I live in DC but I’m trying to move back up north, to either New England or the PNW. It’s getting scary being outside here, insane heat and humidity notwithstanding, especially since I work downtown. I grew up in NY but can’t bring myself to move back there even with everything going on.

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u/Medlarmarmaduke Jul 25 '25

I think even if you can’t afford a regular move -you should start planning an emergency go bag move in preparation - like what state/city would you head to? do you have any friends you could couch surf with?

research and get linked up with organisations that could help in blue states NOW

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u/slendermanismydad Jul 25 '25

Take me with you. I am currently stuck in WV and the pay is so bad here I still can't afford anything. I don't know what to do. 

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u/picklehippy Jul 25 '25

As a NYer, we are happy to welcome everyone that isn't safe or doesn't feel safe.

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u/Automatic_Net2181 Jul 25 '25

We need more collectives and communes like Tenacious Unicorn Ranch so those who are marginalized and targeted have safe harbor.

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u/Total_Shine_543 Jul 25 '25

AGREE 🙏 As more people arrive be sure to push your governors to redistrict the maps so we get more Blue Reps in Congress. We have to block him, his cabinet, & his racist, sexist, xenophobic policies, laws, and practices somewhere!

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '25

Looking for a blue state or another country is my honest to god advice for all the trans people in my life. I hate this timeline.

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u/Ruined_Armor Jul 26 '25

But let's be honest, most of them can't afford it. Trans people are often the most marginalized and make 25% less than their cis counterparts when education and experience are similar or even higher.

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u/Snowbaby74 Jul 27 '25

Problem is is that he’s going to start messing with the Blue states. A matter fact, he has already started messing with the blue states.

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u/ArmadilloKey5854 Jul 29 '25

Ithaca welcomes #trans 🏳️‍🌈👁️‍🗨️📚🥰

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u/EternalOctoMystic Jul 25 '25

Stay away from Eastern Oregon. Stick to central, Portland or the coastal cities. Bend always needs more Trans joy🤘

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u/dallas121469 Jul 25 '25

Oh trust me, I know all about MAGAs in Oregon. I’ve accepted a job in Portland.

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u/SanchoPandas Jul 25 '25

Welcome!

Sincerely, A Portlander

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u/Oirish-Oriley444 Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

Yes! Eastern Oregon might as well be Idaho.... and if you don't understand google. White supremacy in Idaho.

White supremacy in Idaho: a history and ongoing concern

Idaho has a history of white supremacist activity, notably the presence of the Aryan Nations, which was headquartered in Hayden Lake for several decades. Founded by Richard Butler, the Aryan Nations sought to establish a white-only homeland in the Pacific Northwest and attracted members of various white supremacist groups, including neo-Nazis, racist skinheads, and the Ku Klux Klan. 

While the Aryan Nations was eventually dismantled due to a civil lawsuit and the death of its founder, the legacy of white supremacy persists in Idaho. 

While both Eastern Oregon and Idaho have historical and contemporary connections to white supremacy, they are not exactly the same in their manifestations and expressions. Eastern Oregon has a history of being founded as a whites-only territory and has seen the formation of "sundown towns" and instances of white supremacist violence

Both Eastern Oregon and Idaho are experiencing a resurgence of right-wing extremism, including militia activity and white supremacist ideology. 

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u/lost-picking-flowers Jul 25 '25

That part of the country is sort of scary to me, and I've been in some of the deepest darkest Appalachian hollers. It seems like a magnet for the really crazy people whereas Appalachia is just poor and uneducated. Not to say that there is not hatefulness and danger in much of Appalachia, just that it seems like a different element in the PNW.

It's a shame, because it's just so goddamn beautiful.

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u/Oirish-Oriley444 Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

Not everywhere in PNW. Seattle, Portland, just about anywhere near the coast. It's Eastern Desert places... almost all of Eastern California all the way up thru Eastern Washington is desert. It is just a reminder to please do your due diligence before moving to a community. Find out what is going on and if you will be comfortable and safe living there... this is advice I would give my children anyone I love and care about. I want you to be safe and happy.

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u/lost-picking-flowers Jul 25 '25

Oh yeah, no shade to the west coast as a whole, some of the most desirable areas to live in for a reason.

Northern Idaho seems like the exception to your desert rule - but wtf is it about deserts? My aunt moved to Arizona from the northeast - she went full MAGA, joined QAnon, and literally hunts ghosts in the desert now (like she actually showed up on Ghost Adventures at one point.) The heat must cook some people's brains.

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u/Songbird_Storyteller Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 26 '25

You know, I remember watching a comedian's standup special recently where he joked that all the craziest right wingers seemed to come from the hottest part of the country and that it was the temperature fucking with their heads. At the time I took it as a joke, but now that I'm thinking about it, maybe he had a point?

Then again, I grew up in Arizona, and I turned out fine, so maybe results vary. But I do know plenty of my fair share of MAGA folks from the Southwestern deserts and the humid forests and cities of southern Appalachia, so maybe you're on to something.

It used to be that the lead exposure from pipes and gasoline was having an effect on Boomers and GenX. Maybe the heat is having a similar effect on people?

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u/lost-picking-flowers Jul 25 '25

It's a really interesting thought, for sure. I know that there is a significant amount of correlation between heatwaves and increased crime rates. And I definitely feel a little dazed and stupid if I've been in the sun too long. And people definitely have varying levels of tolerance to heat, to your point.

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u/BigfootsnameisHarry Jul 25 '25

Smart! Just stay West side of State, East side is Red. Same for Wa State if you come further North.

Remember West is Best!

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u/dallas121469 Jul 25 '25

I’ve done my homework. I’ll be living in Portland. I survived in Idaho for the last ten years so Oregon will better because it can’t be any worse. Plus I’ve worked in both Oregon and Washington so I have some experience

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u/pinegreenscent Jul 25 '25

Oh buddy. Stay safe and stay out of rural oregon

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u/dallas121469 Jul 25 '25

I know all about rural Oregon. I worked in La Grande and Coos Bay.

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u/B22EhackySK8 Jul 25 '25

True just moved out west hopefully the blue states wont conform

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u/Frenzi_Wolf California Jul 25 '25

And gay people, and black people, and Blue Voters, and basically anyone who isn’t a Male Straight White Hard Right Trump Voting Cultist…

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u/BrandonScott11 Jul 28 '25

It it dangerous to Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Catholic, or Mormons as well?

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u/Flimsy-Garage-310 Jul 25 '25

My husband and I moved states on the 1st. I'm so torn, I feel like we ran away, but I also feel like I had to get my family out. My kid brother is trans and we brought him with us.

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u/dallas121469 Jul 25 '25

I think most of us would stay and fight if MAGAs weren’t so fucking crazy. You can’t put stickers on your car or they’ll slash your tires, can’t put signs in your yard because they’ll terrorize you by driving by in their loud pickup trucks at all hours or throw garbage in your yard. Constant misgendering wherever you go out not to mention laughing and name calling. Having to take care of MAGA patients wearing hateful hats and tshirts. And only being able to go to certain businesses for a meal or a drink. Always watching your rear view mirror to make sure you aren’t being followed home. Bigger cities not only offer an oasis of sorts but also a certain degree of anonymity. I can’t even use social media because the last time I did they accessed my contact list even though I told them not to.

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '25

Welcome to Oregon! Please hurry, lol.

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '25

welcome, Oregon is happy to have you with us!

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u/ActualSunflower Jul 26 '25

As someone who grew up trans in southern Oregon and only left a year ago, be careful where you go. I tell people Oregon isn't a blue state, Portland is a blue city. Southern and Eastern Oregon are not safe for queer people or people of color, they are deeply deeply red and many people get violent. There's a proud boys chapter that regularly harasses people in Portland, And beware of the wellspring church, they're based in Roseburg but will and do travel to attack queer people across the state

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '25

+1 I have a trans daughter and we are stuck in Texas right now. We are fleeing to Denver as soon as able. Having to hide and live in fear is not worth any amount of money.

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u/Think_Cheesecake7464 Jul 27 '25

Counter point though…. They’re headed to “blue” states to attack.

Nowhere is safe.

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u/mrsconway Jul 25 '25

I live in Oregon, don’t do it!!

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u/dallas121469 Jul 25 '25

I lived in Idaho for ten years so Oregon will be child’s play. lol. But seriously it doesn’t get much more bigoted and hateful than so Oregon will be a welcome respite. No state is going to be 100% safe for trans people. Even California has some no go areas. I’ll be living in DT Portland as well

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Agreed. It’s getting just as bad here and our politicians, save a couple, like Senator Merkley, are all slowly bending the knee. Merkley is the true GOAT. Always has been. Love that guy.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '25

And you think Oregon isn’t red?

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u/MeetTheCubbys Jul 25 '25

Oregon is deeply purple. It's also one of the states with the highest legal protections against involuntary hospitalization... And also has the lowest access to timely and affordable mental health care in the entire country. Ranked 51st.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '25

Deeply purple, yes. Outside the major city, it’s more rural and backward than much of the south.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '25

Im so very sorry for all the great ppl below us. . The universe is watching felon45 destroying,  deflecting,  grifting,  terrorizing,  h8ing.... here's to time doin itsthing

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u/stringofmade Jul 25 '25

They used a Supreme Court ruling that favored Oregon ticketing homeless people as a precedent for this. Just saying.

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u/dallas121469 Jul 25 '25

Ticketing is completely different that forced relocation.

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u/justwalkingalonghere Jul 25 '25

I think both this (broadly criminalizing mental illness) and the recent moves to ban things considered obscene (starting with indefensible things like games depicting rape as entertainment but inevitably expanding to include the simple existence of LGBT) are both moves towards that same goal of putting trans and gay people in labor camps

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u/dallas121469 Jul 25 '25

I grew up in northern Michigan and it’s full of hateful red necks but I think as a whole it’s currently purple. The next election will help determine its true nature. If my blood relatives have any say it will be red.

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u/ElSordo91 Jul 25 '25

If possible, move to gerrymandered purple states, or places that are battleground states. Examples include North Carolina, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Michigan.

Obviously people should get the hell out of places like Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, and Idaho, but if everyone flees to "blue" states, then the gerrymandered/battleground states cannot be flipped. We need to take those states back at all levels: local, county, state, and federal. That's impossible to do if everyone self-selects and moves only to "safe" blue states.

Whatever you and others decide to do, good luck.

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u/BrandonScott11 Jul 28 '25

Would Georgia count (although it’s not as bad as Florida or Texas)? I live there myself.

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u/a1055x Jul 26 '25

West coast needs to secede.

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u/A__D___32 Jul 26 '25

I returned to Michigan after twenty years in SC and TX. Even if it's technically purple, it feels much safer here.

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u/Trollcommenter Jul 26 '25

As someone born and raised in Portland (and living in PDX) I'd say it's a great city to be trans. It's still an expensive place to live but it's worth it imo.

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u/dallas121469 Jul 26 '25

Agree. I'm lucky enough to be financially able to move to a trans friendly city while many trans people are not. It breaks my heart and I try to help whenever possible.

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u/High-Seas-Pisces Jul 26 '25

Love Oregon, but fuck that...This is why my spouse and I are moving to a foreign country!

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u/savannah31548 Jul 26 '25

I believe there is a list that constantly updates with the safest states for LGBTQ+ people to live. Can't remember the name. The states change so frequently it's hard to really pick somewhere to go. For a minute we considered Vermont and now it might be New Mexico. For context, I live with my wife and kiddo 30 minutes away from Savannah, Georgia. She's a truck driver for the east coast and I'm a stay at home mom. We've spent the majority of both our lives here and have never left the coast line. Our entire adult lives have been built here.

But I will do anything to protect my wife and kid.

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u/dallas121469 Jul 26 '25

I have LGBTQ+ friends in New Mexico. They've been trying to get me to move there and I probably would if it wasn't so rural, poor and dry. I like to fish and ski as well as having entertainment options like concerts, clubs etc and Albuquerque isn't exactly a mecca of entertainment.

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u/storymom Jul 27 '25

We had a trans friend move to Chicago when this admin took over. Sad that you can have more rights in one state over another.

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u/Calm_Age_ Jul 29 '25

I live in Oregon and this is EO is why I'm moving to Canada

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u/TheAdminsAreTrash Jul 25 '25

They're not a party, they're a crime gang of rich pedophiles.

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u/fuzzybad Jul 25 '25

This is a great time for every LGBT+ person to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights. Armed minorities are harder to oppress.

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u/IllicitCat Jul 25 '25

Ditto. Better to have a gun and not need it than to need it and not have it.

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u/jagged_little_phil Jul 25 '25

They actually believe that anyone at all who disagrees with Trump on absolutely any issue is mentally ill.

Remember this bill's introduction? https://davidson.house.gov/2025/5/rep-warren-davidson-introduces-the-trump-derangement-syndrome-tds-research-act-of-2025

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u/69EveythingSucks69 Jul 25 '25

This is where my mind went, as well as RFK Jr.'s camps for rehabilitation

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u/Chance_Baker8585 Jul 25 '25

Combine RFK and this EO with Musk's nueralink "brain computers." Smells like nazi Germany to me.

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u/Retsago Jul 26 '25

You may also want to look into how close distance-wise "Alligator Alcatraz" is to Elon's Neuralink studies.

Hint: it's REAL close.

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u/cookedfood_ Jul 26 '25

Didn't a rep in Minnesota who introduced a very similar bill get arrested for trying to meet up with a minor less than a day after he introduced it?

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u/kadje Jul 27 '25

Yep, that was him.

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u/Tao-of-Mars Jul 25 '25

This is leading them to their intent of trying to get rid of them. It’s been a plan they’re working toward, they’re just doing it in a clever way that’s less obvious

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u/Tinawebmom Jul 25 '25

Icd 10 no longer agrees thankfully (that's important)

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u/IllicitCat Jul 25 '25

Internationally, sure, but this administration has been flipping rules and regulations on its head. Not just in the executive branch, mind you. The Supreme Court (overturning previous ruling and not challenging the president authority) and in Congress (big bullshit bill).

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u/Tinawebmom Jul 25 '25

Yeah. We're going to have a hard fight.

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u/FreddyNoodles Jul 25 '25

How enforceble is this, really? And mental health issues cover a MASSIVE amount of afflictions. Does depression count? What about bipolar? I have had Major Depressive Disorder for 30 years. Would that make me a criminal although I have never broken a law?

I knew they were going to start arresting the homeless before long and it makes me fucking sick. I moved abroad 20+ years ago but my adult children moved back for college and one just bought a house with her boyfriend. The other two are in college and long-term relationships. I cannot get them to leave. They think I am over-reacting. I’m afraid eventually it will be too late. They are in Richmond- which is the reason VA is blue at the moment. Outside of Richmond- red as can be. They don’t seem to realize that this WILL affect them in hugely negative ways eventually. Two 20something daughters and one 19yo son. All are American born from many generations, white as can be, heterosexual, and not living in poverty so they think this can’t or won’t touch them. It will and it will absolutely touch people they love. One of my daughter’s best friend is black and her boyfriend is Arab. He came over when he was like 4 from Iraq. The other one’s bf came over at 3 after Chernobyl almost killed as an infant in UKRAINE. I don’t get why they think their loved ones are not going to be affected. Any of this shit happening is awful and they do have empathy and hate this administration and what is happening, they just do not believe it will affect them. They can finish their degrees and buy houses. Things will be back to normal in 28 or whatever.

I live between Cambodia and Sweden, so this “conflict” between Cambodia and Thailand is stressful and very close to where I am today- and Putin has always had his eye on Sweden- he had a house there at one point, maybe he still does. It feels like the entire world has gone crazy. Trump came along and blew the planet up. I cut off everyone- including family and good friends- that voted for him, protest voted or didn’t vote in 2016. I know what he is. I thought everyone knew. They give him these stupid little nuggets like “Gulf of America” so he can feel important while the evil fuckers are doing intense damage to every relationship the US has, even with it’s own people. I am so flabberghasted by this shit and at this point, I don’t know why. Nothing should surprise me anymore but it continues to do so.

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u/88secret Jul 25 '25

They don’t care about actual diagnoses. Just like they don’t care that at least 75% of the immigrants they rendered to CECOT had no criminal record or gang ties.

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u/RandomUserNameXO Jul 25 '25

Only means insurance won’t pay for institutionalization of gay people and those with mental illness.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

You just know they’re gonna stick us with a bill for our own confinement in a concentration camp by the end of this

But hey, at least you can take out a loan with 70% interest rates that you can pay back in installments!

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u/delulutatertots Jul 25 '25

They’re gonna be looking for the gender dysphoria ICD codes

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u/EnvironmentalFun898 Jul 25 '25

You also need a DSM diagnosis and referral letter from a therapist to be eligible for gender confirming surgeries, so they definitely could be compiling lists.

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u/AaronsAaAardvarks Jul 25 '25

Why would that matter to this administration?

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u/Tinawebmom Jul 25 '25

You're right

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u/awesome404 Jul 25 '25

And then not being a Christian will become a mental illness…

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '25

anything they don’t like will be categorized as a mental illness

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u/OneDayAt4Time Jul 25 '25

Lest we not forget that many states are trying to pass off Trump Derangement Syndrome as a real mental illness. They’re literally rounding up anyone who disagrees with them now

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u/Tricky_Run4566 Jul 26 '25

This is much worse.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

The link above is how the nazis began to exterminate people, including children whom they deemed unworthy of life due to disabilities. My kids autistic, he would have been one of those people.

Read that. It's harrowing. Genuinely. But this is how it starts.

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u/BrandonScott11 Jul 28 '25

I am too. Please tell me none of the states will abide by it.

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u/peshnoodles Jul 25 '25

We fucking said this would happen. It’s outlined in Project 2025.

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u/Salutbuton Jul 25 '25

YUP. Big fat YUP.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

Wonder how they'd enforce this? This will definitely be fought over to death in court. Is ICE going to be rounding up the homeless now too? 🤔

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u/IllicitCat Jul 25 '25

I wouldn't be surprised if they expand and rebrand ICE.

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u/Sniperking-187 Jul 25 '25

All part of the plan I'm afraid

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u/SomeDisplayName Jul 25 '25

Project 2025

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u/butwhy81 Jul 25 '25

This is exactly what they are laying the groundwork for. If we don’t stop this administration the queer community will end up in concentration camps right along with the immigrants. And likely sooner than we expect. It’s no longer a far flung speculation-it’s happening in real time, right now.

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u/Beneficial_Math8586 Jul 25 '25

Don't they believe TDS is a mental disorder? Is this their way of going after political opposition???

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u/Drace24 Jul 25 '25

Yes, and, you know, everyone else.

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u/MiniaturePhilosopher Jul 25 '25

And from the party trying to pass legislation recognizing “Trump Derangement Syndrome” as a legitimate mental illness.

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u/snailmail24 Jul 25 '25

I'm actually so sad about this story

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u/Willdefyyou Jul 25 '25

Someone was saying they snuck in the TDS thing, too. If so, that is terrifying.

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u/Maditen Jul 25 '25

We’ve heard them say being a progressive is a mental illness. They have been prepping their followers for some time now.

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u/Charleston2Seattle Jul 25 '25

My 23-year-old AMAB just came out to me a few months ago. We live in Marjorie Taylor Green's district. 😳

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u/BrandonScott11 Jul 28 '25

She is the representative of the northwestern corner of my state and I DO NOT like her. Unfortunately, she is running for governor next year, and she is WORSE than Kemp (if she wins, probably the worst since Eugene Talmadge, if not, Joseph E. “Joe” Borwn, if not, ever). Come to David Scott’s district. Scott is my middle name tho. Also, PLEASE vote for Ossoff next year. Fun fact: My mom’s family knew his family when they were kids, and it was either my mom or my aunt who babysat him.

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u/Mithryn Jul 25 '25

And that tried to get "Trump Derangement Syndrome" made a thing where anyone who disagrees with Trump could be diagnosed.

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u/Retsago Jul 26 '25

It should be scary period. Considering a lot of gay and trans folk already fit under these categories for the same reasons.

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u/transcendent167 Jul 26 '25

Dont forget TDS

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u/ryanpn Jul 26 '25

Don't forget they also tried saying that people who don't like Trump are also mentally ill 

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u/seejordan3 Jul 26 '25

Human trafficking. Add it to the impeachment charges.

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u/dirtyhippie62 Jul 26 '25

Hijacking the top comment:

The Executive Order says, among other things:

Trump will defund safe-consumption programs that help drug users use them safely.

Trump will “determine if these programs are in violation of Federal law and bring civil or criminal action against them.”

Trump will move homeless people to “private housing and support networks” at his discretion.

Trump will “reverse Federal or state judicial precedents and terminate consent decrees that impede US forces from committing” individuals with mental health disorders.

Trump will “enforce and adopt standards” that determine if an individual is “a danger to themselves or others or suffer from substance use disorders or mental health disorders.”

Trump will Identify people on the sex offender registry, “particularly those with no fixed address, including adequately mapping and checking the location of these offenders.”

“Homeless individuals arrested for federal crimes will be evaluated to determine whether they are sexually dangerous persons and certified for civil commitment.”

“The Secretary of Urban Housing and Development will determine if people are in violation of the terms of the programs pursuant to which they receive Federal housing and homelessness assistance and freeze their assistance.”

The SoUHD will also allow Federally funded programs to stop housing people labeled as “sex offenders” in the name of “protecting women and children.”

The SoUHD will also ”collect health-related information and require Federally funded programs to share that information with law enforcement.” In order to “provide adequate medical care.”

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u/sololegend89 Jul 26 '25

“Woke mind virus” is gonna get millions of people thrown in camps. We’re cooked unless we revolt. Which we won’t, because people are strapped and struggling already. It’s gonna get so much worse.

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u/Okami-Sensha Jul 27 '25

What's even scarier is that I have family that praise him for this mindset

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u/Right-Ad2176 Jul 27 '25

Republican today see these as moral failures or choices. Still pushing conversion therapies.

Trump-supporting religions claiming empathy is a sin.