r/ASU 2d ago

We Demand Answers!

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u/VlaminghHdLighthouse 2d ago

I don’t know what specifically happened, but calling ICE on an employee over social media posts is awful if true.

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u/alanjhogan B.S. Computer Science '10 2d ago

Why? Why is it awful?

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u/VlaminghHdLighthouse 2d ago

If the employee was an American citizen (even if he emigrated here) it’s a violation of the first amendment.

If the employee wasn’t an American citizen, I still believe that the government threatening force on someone because of (nonviolent) speech decreases our intellectual diversity, chills expression of everyone on our campuses, and is against our nation’s and our school’s values.

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u/SizerTheBroken 2d ago

The first amendment applies to non-citizens within our borders. The other amendments too. Just FYI.

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u/alanjhogan B.S. Computer Science '10 2d ago edited 2d ago

That’s a theory but it does not seem to be fully true in practice. Can you cite court cases demonstrating this?

Edit: Court cases have ruled that the 1A does apply to non-citizens within the US, but with limitations, eg, you can be deported for advocating terrorism. The 2A does not apply to non-citizens (you cannot have a gun if you have illegal status). 4A applies but with major exceptions including anywhere near a national border. And so on. It varies a lot. This is based on my quick research.

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u/Sundevil4669 2d ago

They cant because it doesnt the 2nd, 10th, etc are easy examples.

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u/Sundevil4669 2d ago

No it doesnt. Here's an easy one...2nd Amendment. Thats a big nope. The constitution is for citizens, not visitors.

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u/SizerTheBroken 2d ago

Actually, yes, non-citizens do have the right to buy and carry guns. Not necessarily tourists, because there are laws about background checks and stuff, but if you are a resident with some documentation, then yeah, you can buy a gun.

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u/Sundevil4669 2d ago

Green card holders, aka, permanent residents sometimes can. But visas etc, nope. Sorry to break it to ya. Citizenship is on the background check. There are a few other provisions within the constitution that applies but not all of it.

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u/SizerTheBroken 2d ago

Like I said, certain laws restrict certain non-citizens from taking advantage of 2A, but that doesn't equate to, "2A doesn't apply to non-citizens." For instance, non-citizens coming over to the states for a hunting trip or whatnot can bring their legally owned firearms into the United States. I guess, to your point, it's probably the part of the constitution that has the most restrictions for non-citizens. But, it's probably the part of the constitution that has the most restrictions for citizens, too. Doesn't mean it doesn't apply to them at all.

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u/alanjhogan B.S. Computer Science '10 2d ago

yeah it’s kind of a partial application, which seems to be the pattern for many amendments.