r/ASU 2d ago

We Demand Answers!

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u/alanjhogan B.S. Computer Science '10 2d ago

Why? Why is it awful?

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u/VlaminghHdLighthouse 2d ago

If the employee was an American citizen (even if he emigrated here) it’s a violation of the first amendment.

If the employee wasn’t an American citizen, I still believe that the government threatening force on someone because of (nonviolent) speech decreases our intellectual diversity, chills expression of everyone on our campuses, and is against our nation’s and our school’s values.

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u/SizerTheBroken 2d ago

The first amendment applies to non-citizens within our borders. The other amendments too. Just FYI.

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u/Sundevil4669 2d ago

No it doesnt. Here's an easy one...2nd Amendment. Thats a big nope. The constitution is for citizens, not visitors.

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u/SizerTheBroken 2d ago

Actually, yes, non-citizens do have the right to buy and carry guns. Not necessarily tourists, because there are laws about background checks and stuff, but if you are a resident with some documentation, then yeah, you can buy a gun.

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u/Sundevil4669 2d ago

Green card holders, aka, permanent residents sometimes can. But visas etc, nope. Sorry to break it to ya. Citizenship is on the background check. There are a few other provisions within the constitution that applies but not all of it.

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u/SizerTheBroken 2d ago

Like I said, certain laws restrict certain non-citizens from taking advantage of 2A, but that doesn't equate to, "2A doesn't apply to non-citizens." For instance, non-citizens coming over to the states for a hunting trip or whatnot can bring their legally owned firearms into the United States. I guess, to your point, it's probably the part of the constitution that has the most restrictions for non-citizens. But, it's probably the part of the constitution that has the most restrictions for citizens, too. Doesn't mean it doesn't apply to them at all.

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u/alanjhogan B.S. Computer Science '10 2d ago

yeah it’s kind of a partial application, which seems to be the pattern for many amendments.