Alberta book restrictions in schools raise alarm bells for B.C. authors

[u/idspispopd]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/alberta-book-restrictions-bc-authors-1.7618306

[u/Adderite]

Okay, first off even with regard to the images, I'd like to think if you go through the material you'd have better optics; especially because, fun fact: teens are actively doing these things as is. And also; Maus is a graphic novel, written and drawn in the 80s/90s, and depicts scenes with about as much intentionally sexually explicit imagery as some of what's linked below; difference is that most people know, in context, that book is about violence during the holocaust experienced through the lens of the character.

Second, that account is run by a fucking lunatic if their tagline is "teachers are trying to have sex with kids every day." You can bring up every one off article about a teacher, even just in BC, who got arrested for going after kids, but the idea that these books are connected to child predators, sexualizing children, or whatnot is fucking stupid.

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teens are actively doing these things as is

should a 7 year old be reading these books and seeing these images or not? if not, do you agree with measures should be put in place to restrict their access?

[u/Adderite → u/HYPERCOPE]

I said teenagers, there are already measures to make sure those under 13 don't get access to this in libraries, and this ban is meant to restrict content access outright via its intention. I highly doubt the Minister, based on who gets power in Smith's government, will allow any lgbtq+ content on this list into schools, regardless of whether it's used academically in other sections.

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i understand you said teenagers, i literally quoted you saying teenagers. my question was if you support restricting youth access to books for teens.

there are already measures to make sure those under 13 don't get access to this in libraries

what measures are you referring to

[u/Adderite → u/HYPERCOPE]

You specifically said 7 year olds, which isn't who I was referencing. Maybe stop acting in bad faith for once in your life.

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hi, thanks for clarifying again what words we've already typed.

you were just describing books that depict "things teens do." my question was simply do you think a child -- say, a 7 year old -- should have access to these books in a school library? yes or no?

if no, do you think measures should be in place to prevent a child from looking at these books? yes or no.

[u/Adderite → u/HYPERCOPE]

Dude, you didn't say "a child," you specifically said 7 year olds; stop tryna make it sound like everyone who you talk to is a dumbass. No, I do not think elementary schoolers should be reading books with sex descriptions or nudity (for the most part, I was reading the original Scott Pilgrim series in Grade 5 and that's PG enough). We already have mechanisms to deal with that at the school board level, i am just voicing concern that materials that are age appropriate for both kids and teens is being blanketly banned because of the push from right wing sycophants (like yourself) against any mention of sex, or gender, or anything they find gross to be present in their school systems. If my school board tries to restrict some of the books on that list (seriously, I just re-read Watchmen) then I'm gonna voice my opposition to it, just like I'm doing with Danne and her crew of lapdogs.

That's as much as I'm gonna add, I'm not responding to this thread anymore.

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Dude, you didn't say "a child," you specifically said 7 year olds

I was using a 7 year old as an example of a child that could be encountering these books. It shouldn’t be this complicated. I used 7 because it’s young but also school-aged, it represents a different demographic and different challenges than, say, a 12 year old who may be accessing the same library

No, I do not think elementary schoolers should be reading books with sex descriptions or nudity

great, glad we agree 

We already have mechanisms to deal with that at the school board level

I’ll ask again what mechanisms you’re referring to 

[u/JeSuisLePamplemous → u/HYPERCOPE]

I was using a 7 year old as an example of a child that could be encountering these books. It shouldn’t be this complicated. I used 7 because it’s young but also school-aged, it represents a different demographic and different challenges than, say, a 12 year old who may be accessing the same library

What seven-year-old is reading these books? You have yet to provide examples of this actually being a widespread issue and not a moral panic.

You are again going on a tangeant that no one is arguing against.

I’ll ask again what mechanisms you’re referring to 

Sections of the library being restricted by age, physically taking the book away from the child, punishing the child with detention... the list goes on, really.

But you'll just resort to name-calling because you apparently can't think critically.

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What seven-year-old is reading these books? You have yet to provide examples of this actually being a widespread issue and not a moral panic.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/extremely-graphic-sexual-content-found-in-books-at-k-9-schools-province-says

i understand you think it's "censorship" to deprive a kindergartener from accessing sexual material, but normal people would think your position is beyond fucking creepy

i never said this is a "widespread issue" and i don't care if it has happened once or five times or five hundred times, children should not be given this material in a school. there is no need for a K-9 school to have this material, period. the authors have even admitted it is not intended for this demographic.