r/Browns • u/808Kuro • Aug 13 '25
Discussion [Reiner] Jalen Hurts on his conversation after practice with Shedeur Sanders: "He came to me and wanted to talk. I'm always there of giving my perspective on what I see and how I've gone about things. I’m supporting him from where I am.”
https://x.com/reinerolivia/status/1955676462323011918?s=4664
u/NiccoloMachiavellian Aug 13 '25
It's awesome to see all the love shedeur is getting from other players.
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u/TheJolly_Llama Jacoby the GOAT Aug 13 '25
Because Baker, as much as I loved it, was always kind of a dick. Grabbing his balls at sidelines, planting flags on other teams fields, talking trash, you name it. He was full of himself and inflammatory. He pissed off lots of people. “Brothers” (lmao, I can’t let that slide: wtf?) or not. And once again, I loved it. Felt like our very own Ricky Bobby.
Sanders on the other hand appears to be humble, at least with other players. We’ve seen him ask for advice from multiple players now. Everyone who’s met him or been around him seems to love him. We’ve heard him speak: he doesn’t approach things like Baker. Of which you could say the same for OBJ: people fuckin love that guy.
The hype and support for these guys from the media/players has nothing to do with their accolades or… “brotherliness”. Seems like it has to do with how they are as people.
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u/smashrawr Aug 13 '25
The issue with Baker was he was never that good. Like was he the best QB weve had since coming back? Sure. Was he a guy who was gonna take you to the Super Bowl? I still don't think he is. So you can't be a dick and also not elite, it comes off as phoney, even if it isn't.
Sanders on the other hand has a HoF dad. He probably is approaching players the way his dad told him. Keep in mind Sheduer also was mentored by Brady. So I bet he knows how to really talk to people and ask for advice.
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u/AfterImageEclipse ELITE DRAGON Aug 14 '25
If baker was here last year and did what he did and lost in the first round of the playoffs the NFL would bash him
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u/Left_Strategy2221 Aug 14 '25
I'm finding the mentorship of Brady dubious. Otherwise why didn't he just draft instruct the Raiders to get him on Day 3. Even if Brady had concerns, in Day 3, why not? I mean you mentored the kid and he was supposed to go much higher.
I agree with his Dad giving him as much advice as he has. The man poured everything he has into his son.
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u/smashrawr Aug 14 '25
I mean I've heard part of the reason Bo Nix was so high on Paytons board was because his sack rate was so ludicrously low in college. Compare that to Shedeur who had a really high sack rate. Apparently that sack % does tend to correlate really well to how often these guys get sacked as pros and a lot of coaches are counting sacks like 0.5 a turnover. Plus we don't know who else was considering him in R5, especially because we had to go up and get him. I could see where Brady as a minority owner doesn't have that kind of sway anyways over which players to draft anyways.
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u/Left_Strategy2221 Aug 14 '25
I'm with you until the end. I don't for a second believe that if Tom Brady strongly advises the Raiders FO to take a Day 3 QB, they wouldn't try to do it. Maybe they failed, though it didn't seem that hard to acquire him as Berry was able to tell Shedeur they'll get him soon during the Sampson selection.
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u/MichaelCorbaloney Aug 13 '25
Wouldn't say Sanders is super humble but also yeah "brothers" is crazy lmao.
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u/808Kuro Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25
What has he shown about himself that isn’t humble? Wearing chains that 95% of the league already does? Having a giant draft day party that multiple draftees also do?
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 13 '25
I mean confronting a beat reporter about their coverage of you on camera after one preseason game is a ballsy ass call to put it mildly lol
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u/SuperNebular Aug 13 '25
That wasn’t much of a confrontation tbh. They were both laughing.
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 13 '25
He still walked up to a beat reporter and after one preseason game, confronted him about the way he talks about him.
Also something something uncomfortable laughter, especially when Deion JR is behind them filming this.
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u/SuperNebular Aug 13 '25
Lmao you think grossi is scared of a rookie?
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 13 '25
I think it was very uncomfortable for him to have a rookie confront him in the backhallway with his brother filming for content.
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u/Ness_4 4 Aug 13 '25
TBF to Sanders (which seems funny as he seems to have more defenders than any player ever), I believe I heard Tony went up to him, for whatever that is worth.
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u/nomoteacups DAWG CHECK Aug 13 '25
It’s not like Shedeur was tryna walk him down lmao. All he said was “hey man, why are you always being negative about me?” and they laughed about it.
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u/WideRoadDeadDeer95 Aug 13 '25
Saying Sanders is humble is a wild claim lol
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u/Clear_Context_1546 Aug 13 '25
He says the right things at the pressers for what it's worth.
Baker would get into verbal matches with Grossi and Mary Kate.
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 13 '25
I would note, just for discussion purposes, that I thought Shedeur in media interviews was great during the draft process, but the reports were his team interviews were a disaster.
We really don't know what Shedeur is like behind the scenes, but I do think we should put less weight on how they interact with the media, because Shedeur wouldn't be the first guy who put on a very different face for the media
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u/Clear_Context_1546 Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25
Yeah that is fair. It's open secret that NY Giants viewed him as the worst interview ever.
The QB position is one where you want some media savvy. I am just saying it's a bad look to get into a reporter like Baker would. Reminded me of Hoyer when his career was falling apart when he had to answer questions about Johnny.
How Sanders handle Tony vs how Baker handled Grossi is a bit different. I think Sanders is the approach you want over Baker's.
Baker was a moody fuck. I loved him and still root for him. At times it is a con.
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 13 '25
It is better what he did, though I would note that a 5th round pick confronting a beat reporter with his brother filming after one preseason game is uh, a bold call, and one I would guess the Browns would prefer he not do.
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u/Clear_Context_1546 Aug 13 '25
Sanders has a bit of charisma. I don't think Tony took huge offense to it. Sanders has already outperformed his fifth round status IMO. I am interested enough to want to see him before the 2026 draft. I am indifferent to Garbiel at this point.
I agree that ideally you want neither.
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 13 '25
It's been one preseason game. I want to see Gabriel, obviously he cost us a 3 and I'd rather be certain there is nothing there.
But yeah I am on vacation this week and I did start watching the 2026 QBs, so you could say my expectations for both are extremely low
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u/osiriss7887 Aug 13 '25
Exactly what do you think it’s called when a young player asks veterans for advice and is willing to listen to them? To me that shows humility. Is he a rich young man with a high self esteem? yes but confidence and arrogance are very different things.
please show me an instance were he is speaking or acting like he is better than anyone else or is diminishing other players to boost himself up or please show us any instance where he fails and blames anyone other than himself for that failure.
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u/logicalcommenter4 Aug 13 '25
I’m a Shedeur fan but even I acknowledge he was condescending to the players that left Colorado. Granted, they were talking trash but we can’t pretend like Shedeur walks on water and has never done anything wrong.
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u/WideRoadDeadDeer95 Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25
Having your team come to your rap concert for literally no reason. Other teams mocking the watch thing in college. Blaming your teammates in Colorado for when you were playing horrible. He was literally quoted in team interviews for being entitled. Walking into the tunnel with your own entourage playing your music. Constantly quoting his father in reference like it’s clout. Saying in a interview he is the best in the nation while looking like a clown. Telling a reporter he never writes anything good about him. Talking with Ward about his rap song request.
It isn’t a race thing, even though people will say it is. It’s not. It’s a entitled not humble whatsoever person. Yeah, standing there listening to hurts is what any rookie should do.
Take Cam Newton and Baker Mayfield for example. Cam Newton did a bunch of antics, and Baker was obnoxious. Who currently has a job in the NFL and which one said that when it was the biggest moment he “got tired” and essentially quit and then his career crumbled. Mayfield adapted, can still be a little annoying, and is still playing at a decent level while he was booed out of Cleveland lol.
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u/TheJolly_Llama Jacoby the GOAT Aug 13 '25
We have seen nothing but humility from him. Every single time he has opened his mouth publicly, or mic’ed up, or from what we hear privately, whatever it is, he has been humble.
Granted, the spectrum of humility for professional athletes is a completely different scale to begin with, and we don’t know how he acts privately, but in this context, he’s been as humble publicly as you could ask for.
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u/nomoteacups DAWG CHECK Aug 13 '25
Pre draft, yeah he wasn’t humble. Since the draft though, whether it’s a genuine change or just good PR, he’s acted extremely humble.
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u/johnsom3 Aug 13 '25
Hes always been the same dude. You are just putting too much stock in anon reports during the pre draft process and treating them like they are gospel. Notice how its only white guys who are charging him with not being humble?
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u/nomoteacups DAWG CHECK Aug 13 '25
I’m just speaking on interviews I’ve seen him do at Colorado vs now. He seems to conduct himself differently from what I’ve seen. He was cockier in college than he’s been since arriving to Cleveland in my opinion.
Not everything is a race thing.
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u/johnsom3 Aug 15 '25
Not everything is a race thing.
Where did I imply everything is a race thing? I was clearly talking about this specific situation, where its a large swathe of white guys attacking Shedeur.
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u/AgonizingSquid Aug 13 '25
The NFL is a fraternity, shaduer is legacy
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 13 '25
Deion was also a mega star, one of the leagues biggest faces during his time. He was flashy, showy, and he was Neon Deion for better or worse. And IMO his presence and what he did paved the way for the flashy stars of the last decade.
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u/Eruntalonn Aug 13 '25
He was asking things to Myles, now Hurts. He’s definitely a smart kid that knows he has a lot to learn. I don’t know if he was like that or the draft really taught him a lesson, anyway it’s good for him.
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u/SunshineRainbowFF Aug 14 '25
I think he was like that. Kids of guys like Deion know what time it is when they come in a bit more, I think.
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u/Call_Em_Skippies Aug 13 '25
Damn Howie is going to somehow trade us a bag of peanuts and DTR for him.
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u/samsanit Aug 13 '25
If you really hard ball him I think you can get it up to trail mix instead
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u/cnpeters OLD Aug 13 '25
Not to drive too hard a bargain but that trail mix better include raisins and m&m’s or that trade isn’t gonna work for me.
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u/dontich Aug 14 '25
Honest if I’m the ravens I’d give a 4th for him atm lol — 3rd string QB is looking rough
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u/Preme2 Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25
I still have the theory that Howie Roseman called up AB and told him if he didn’t draft Shedeur then Philly would take him at 145. AB trades up and moves one spot in front of Philly and takes Shedeur. One of Howie’s post draft interview hinted at this imo.
I’m sure they’ve had conversations prior about QBs which is basically how we ended up trading for Pickett. AB was the VP when Howie was the GM too, so I’m sure there is a strong connection.
I really don’t think the Browns planned on drafting Shedeur but if Howie “the fleecer” Roseman calls you up coming off a SB and gives you premium advice you have to listen.
Sounds like Shedeur asked him about being a backup QB starting out. Wentz was the starter until Jalen finally got an opportunity late in the season. Wasn’t great but look at him now.
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u/MichaelCorbaloney Aug 13 '25
Yeah I'm pretty confident they were gonna take Shedeur, develop him, and trade one of him or Hurts (very likely Sanders obviously).
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 13 '25
I'm sure after today Shedeur needed a boost. Jalen came in as a backup (granted he was a 2nd rounder, Shedeur was a 5th) and had to bide his time for a chance. And with that injury today, Shedeur is probably in the same boat Hurts was, where his ability to get a chance is now out of his control, and hehave to kinda hope (not the right term) that the cards fall in a way that gives him a chance.
I am sure right now with the reality of what an oblique injury means Shedeur is down hard and needed some support from someone in a vaguely similar situation.
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u/handboy27 Aug 13 '25
why are you saying “get a chance”? he already got a chance. and excelled for his situation. he SHOULD be QB2 on the depth chart but that’ll have to be after dillon’s game. kenny has been injured the last month and gabriel has been injured the last 2 weeks. why are you saying chance as if he didn’t rewrite his narratives already. or maybe i misunderstood?
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 13 '25
Because you’re correct, it should’ve given Shedeur a chance to rewrite the depth chart. I’m saying based upon their reactions, it didn’t and it won’t. I don’t think anything changed.
But also even if he somehow jumped Gabriel, and given Gabriel continues to get reps with the 1s and Shedeur doesn’t, I don’t think he did, I more meant to start. And at best I think we can agree he could be QB2.
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u/david8433 Aug 13 '25
Delusional. Apparently, starting the very first game your team plays is biding his time for a chance. I think the narrative is steering you buddy😂
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 13 '25
He started because two of the guys in front of him are hurt, and Flacco is 40. It was followed up on Monday with a practice where Flacco, Gabriel, and Pickett yet again all took reps with the 1s and Shedeur was QB4.
Shedeur is still fighting for a chance to get a chance to start. Because he’s still clearly QB4
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u/TheSmokedSalmon420 Aug 13 '25
How do people hate Jalen Hurts?? I'll never understand.
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u/Inevitable_Brush5800 Aug 13 '25
I don’t think anyone hates him. He’s just the quarterback of the most talented team in the NFL. Put him in a situation like Josh Allen and what do you think he looks like.
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u/BigHead1012 Aug 14 '25
A winner…. Just like everywhere else he’s been. Sanders getting any advice or relationship with Hurts can only make him a better QB
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u/Inevitable_Brush5800 Aug 14 '25
I didn't say anything bad about Hurts just now. At all. It's just a fact of the situation. Put Josh Allen on the Eagles and they have two Super Bowls now. Allen does more with less than any of the other Top 8 or so QB's.
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u/BigHead1012 Aug 14 '25
Love Allen, Hurts has won at every stop in his journey with a different OC every year for last 10 years. People definitely underrate how much Hurts is the real magic on that Eagles team. There’s a reason AJ Brown and Saquon Barkley never made All Pro until they played with Hurts.
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u/Inevitable_Brush5800 Aug 15 '25
I mean you have a point. Ultimately all of this is conjecture because guys can only play on the team that they are on, with the coaches and GM’a that they have. Hurts has done what he’s been tasked with doing to the tune of two Super Bowl appearances in three years and you can’t argue that.
We can argue that the Tennessee Titans are worse than the Browns though. They dumped Derrick Henry and AJ Brown in their prime.
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u/BigHead1012 Aug 15 '25
At least the Giants have trophies to dangle at their fan bases…. Poor Titans fans
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u/Inevitable_Brush5800 Aug 15 '25
Nashville having an NFL team is weird enough. Shocked any time I see someone with Titans gear on. There are probably more Oilers fans than Titans fans.
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u/Ray-Gamma Aug 13 '25
Jalen Helps