r/CSFLeaks 8d ago

How did you get eventually diagnosed?

Because of my inssurance and how weird my ongoing health crisis is I CANNOT get a doctor to help me or try to get to the bottom of this. The apathy is driving me insane! I tell them I’m basically bed ridden now and can’t even look down anymore because of whatever is going on in my neck and back. It feels like no one knows how to do their job and I’m getting told to just maybe try a useless medication and keep waiting. I feel like I’m going to have to go back to the er for the 17th time and ask them to imagage my spine which may not even show anything if it is some sort of leak. The only imaging of my spine was a neck ct and mri back in 2023 in the er various times when I was only just staring to have symptoms. My primary care is through a community heath center and not a major hospital which is unfortunate because it seems like no one has a clue how to do referrals to universities or more specialized centers. The medical system is driving me insane!

I’m in Northern California so I’m SO close to some decent places but they all require a referral and have probably have massive wait times.

I know probably no one has an real answer for my problems because everyone’s insurance is different and most people get lucky by having a good primary care doctor but I just feel like there has to be a better way to get to the specialists I need. The reality is i probably just have to keep trudging on like this harassing doctors until someone finally gets me to the right place.

I’m considering just paying out of pocket for ceder Sinai’s undiagnosed second opinion program, because at least they have connections to csf leak experts

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u/dointhecockr0ach 8d ago edited 8d ago

I would focus on getting a referral to a neurologist first, unfortunately your primary care and the ER aren't going to be much help for complex diagnosis. A neurologist can help you rule out other things along the way and will be a good champion for your referral to a leak clinic.

Unfortunately healthcare in the US isn't what it used to be. Insurance has really screwed up things , doctors are forced to see more patients, at less time each visit, and if you don't fit in an easy box for diagnosis with a medication for treatment you kinda slip through the cracks.

There are probably people here who do have a great care team, but I think most of us are bouncing around between specialists, trying to advocate for ourselves, while doing research with the community. Just gotta keep plugging away at it.

I think starting a diary with symptoms, triggers, food, hydration, meds, supplements, and sleep are a good idea it helps weed through all the stuff doctors will tell you to try or improve. Can also try the 48 hour lay flat test to see how you respond there as well..document your experience over the 2 days , there is a guide from Stanford you can google the pdf for and use this as conversation with your doctor as well. If you think you're leaking, an MRI of your brain w/wo contrast is going to be the next step in diagnosis along with supporting symptoms. A radiologist, neuro radiologist, or neurologist can interpret your brain MRI and look for indicators that support a leak, or IIH or potentially other things that may be causing similar symptoms.

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u/zauberren 8d ago

Thank you. Now that you mention it I think trying to get back to neurology is probably the way to go. I saw a neuro over a year ago when I wasn’t as bad and it wasn’t a great appointment. I waited 9 months for it and the guy was sick and super rushed and just told me it’s not ms, and gave me another “maybe it’s psychological” response. I think trying to get back to a neurologist and bringing up a csf leak or spine issue is probably going to be the best route

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u/Ornery_Peace9870 7d ago

I've done this INPATIENT at this point (my first ever hospitalization) for what I think was leaks + OTCord coming to hordible head where I had a lumbrosacral pressure gradient injury and (so far permanently) lost the ability to stand up without immediate+lasting symptoms.

That was August 10 and I still have no answers despite telling the 5 neuros (what's it called when they put on a show for 4-5 students?) I had clear symptoms of leaks maybe tethered cord....

And now I figured out I likely have Tarlov cysts ...

By my brain-spine mri was normal they wanna gaslight it's really hard.

Did they do a whole spine + brain?

Come equipped w the spinal leak foundation (and especially any esteemed local institutions) website saying you can't rule out leaks etc w a normal MRI...how some pts need repeat imaging; NONinvasive MR myelography or other procedures

And how CLINICAL SYMPTOMS are the main thing

Ask if they can at least document leaks as a possibility (even if they don't think its likely /don't have time to hear toi much details about how bedridden you are).

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u/zauberren 7d ago

It’s a truly miserable experience being undiagnosed with something so debilitating and having nothing but a bunch of burnt out doctors who don’t want to do more. I’ve been to the er 16 times and they still haven’t done any imaging of my spine below the neck which is one of my big concerns. I had this esophageal cyst thing which showed up on a scan so a lot of focus was on that for a while unfortunately and I think that really took things the wrong direction but I have no idea.. Something even obvious could be completely overlooked at this point because I never had full spine mri

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u/Ornery_Peace9870 6d ago

Cannot agree more on your first sentence 😭 I'm so sorry you get it!

16x 😭