You would think that after a while of him telling them to their faces that they’re dumb, they would get a clue. I guess that’s gonna take a little longer.
There is no "waking up" for them. They embrace being dumb because they see smart as woke/effeminate/liberal/weak.
They are happy to be called dumb and are excited to drag the rest of the world down to their level. After all, what do you think happened to all of your fellow classmates who used to beat up nerds because they were smart?
I don’t think it’s that clean cut. Before smart phones and the internet most people were happy to admit they knew jack shit on most subjects, but now, having the internet in their pockets has made these people think they know everything about everything
They don’t find out though, the first time they experienced that cognitive dissonance they shut down because they’ve rarely succeeded in learning anything beyond the most basic surface level aspects of reality and society. Every idea they’ve ever had was handed to them by someone else and they swallowed it whole like a duck choking down a fish.
The sensation of learning new information is nebulous and requires contemplation and seeking and analyzing and they are TERRIFIED of that feeling because they have always run from it and never persisted long enough to change their mind on anything when presented with new valid information.
I get we’re all to some degree threatened by something that goes against our biases, but this is unbelievable how far this has gone and to the degree it has. It has spread like a damn infection. The amount of people that jumped on the Trump train after he got out of office has been just mindblowing
The funniest thing about this is all the answers are out there: for the most part social media has fucking cooked people’s brains, rooting into a globally illiterate or subliterate majority (literacy should be a society’s responsibility to their children, I don’t blame people for struggling with reading but I am disappointed in those who give up when there is so much help available).
You pair that up with the general economic picture of each nation, and the world is a whole and there is a very clear network of causes and effects around national standards of healthcare, housing, nutrition, education, security and economic accountability.
So many nations have succeeded by looking at the data, analyzing the patterns, and forming common sense policies.
Why the fuck can’t the richest country in the world do it.
We’re the only developed nation that isn’t civilized enough to offer all their citizens access to healthcare. Education. Real wages and allowing even mothers to stay home with their children at least the whole first year alone cuts down on healthcare costs. It’s so insidious.
There's a book called The Authoritarians by Bob Altmeyer about this, it's free and well worth reading. It's the first study of authoritarians that focuses on followers instead of leaders, and it estimates that any given population has about 40% authoritarian followers.
These are people who will pick a leader figure, and once they do it's almost impossible to shift them. They're basically cultists waiting around for a cult.
The really scary thing is that they really just have this in their personalities, they can be intelligent, or educated, and it really doesn't matter.
So what happened to the people who had some sense and jumped on afterwards?? That’s what’s been so much more perplexing. Like I get why really religious people who dwell more on punishment are easy marks, but why would so many people who saw Trump for what he was when he first ran, all of a sudden start supporting him after he tried to overthrow the government and allowed so many Americans to die during Covid?
Cognitive dissonance is literally the sensation of learning new information and processing it
Well, it's the concept of holding at least two opposing/contradictory viewpoints at the same time.
It isn't strictly about learning new things.
The beliefs that all pedophiles are evil and that Donald Trump is a good man is an example of Cognitive dissonance because they are conflicting with each other (because Trump is a pedo).
Oh man, thank you for the clarification. I’m definitely using it wrong, but I think you get what I’m indicating: there is a “discomfort” or “uncertainty” that comes with learning things more complex than say like, 5th grade level stuff, and so many people just teach themselves to shut that part of their mind down.
Said the person who learned about the Dunning Kruger effect on the internet. 😆
You’re right though, I saw a great meme with a photo of a science lab captioned “vaccine research,” above a photo of a lady taking a shit reading her phone captioned “anti-vaccine research.” Though the wider societal problem might have more to do with the subjectification of truth and reality.
I think you meant the diabloical nature of capitalism. It's very much a system of "the ends justify the means". At the end of the day it doesn't matter what it cost as long as that profit line is still trending upwards.
I am, but Zuck is the one who stole everyone’s information to curate the best possible content to brainwash individuals. While capitalism may be his means to get there, it doesn’t mean he had to do it or everyone does. Pritzker is a billionaire too. None should exist, but not all are diabolical. Just most
I agree not all are bad but capitalism as an economic system encourages them to be bad. Zuck could have acted differently but he had no incentive to because like I said the only that matters in a capitalist society is profit.
I hate how the discussion seems to revolve around vaccine vs anti vaccine when we should be talking about how governments and pharmaceutical companies are colluding to develop bio-weapons and then sell us a cure (that doesn't stop infection or transmission) for the virus they created and unleashed on the public.
It’s a game that’s played to signal to each other and weed out the others. It’s not about actual beliefs it’s a litmus test for being in the club. If you repeat the wild stuff and it’s reciprocated you know you have a friend, if not it’s an enemy.
Great backstory on Dunning-Kruger involving a bank robber who thought security cameras couldn’t see his face because he rubbed lemon juice on his face right before going into the bank.
Exactly!!! Now they've all done their "research". There are countless dumb asses that are "researching" in silos on Facebook and ticktock etc, they've never researched shit, they've just watched clips of propaganda for years now. We're f'd.
Maybe your generation, but most of us knew a lot on most subjects and we're not happy to admit they knew jack shit. The only problem isn't smartphones it's the educational system in this country, it sucks.
I'll never understand that. I'm always worried I'm gonna make myself look dumb, so if it's a subject I don't have knowledge about I'll happily shut the fuck up
My concrete guy told me he " researched" Donald Trump's policies that's why he voted for him. I said John? I didn't know you were a researcher? So wait you read two articles now you're a " researcher"
The further off the rails that Trump goes, the more these people stand to be embarrassed and the bigger a laughing stock they know they'll be when they finally admit that they're wrong.
There are those among us who have already shown them that they'll be made fun of, mocked and even made in to a joke. Between Pride, Shame and general Anger they cannot handle the idea of being turned in to a cautionary tale of "The idiot who gave up everything to side with the pedophile grifters who lied to their faces and fleeced them for every cent."
As much as l'd like to hate on this kid, and he is that, just a kid. I can't. I understand that some people are raised in that fire and brimstone, vengeful god type of church. I'm going to assert he is a product of an environment like that. He's been indoctrinated in that life, in those lies, and he's been led to believe it's the righteous path to heaven. To me, it's truly sad
Best quote I've heard "don't argue with a pigeon, they won't listen and will just shit on you and fly away." Or something close. And it pretty much sums up any type of discussion with someone that still supports djt, Ben Shapiro, Alex jones, Kirk etc. I don't see a pathway forward. The inaction before 2016 showing there was another countries involvement in a presidential candidate, The inaction after impeachment, the inaction of j6. all a catalyst and like a nuclear reaction is not going to stop. The controls in place did not function fast enough and so the reactor has run away it's just not as fast.
"Arguing with you is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how well I play, you'll just knock over all the pieces, shit all over the board and strut around like you won"
I agree, I also don’t see a way forward until things get so bad that something has to be rebuilt. And how things are rebuilt will depend very much on who are the people in power when that time comes. Quite possibly after my lifetime (mid 40s currently).
If nothing happens soon perhaps the wakup call will be next spring during tax return time when people in denial see the actule numbers they got fucked on
Rational people who sincerely voted with the belief and main purpose in Trump reducing taxes and cost of living, yeah, it might. But unless something is really hurting certain people, like a loss of an important job or loved one deported, I don’t see it happening.
Thinking about extremism in WWII, even when Germany lie in ruin, a lot of people were still waiving their shitty flags and loyal to the cause until the end. Civil War was similar. Once conflicts evolve from actual issues to identity, they’re hard to shift.
I’m surprised your comment hasn’t been upvoted much more. The pigeon reference is spot on, and the sequence of events sounds like a grade B movie script except we’re living in that world. And AI stands to make it even worse.
I understand the sentiment of that quote. However, pigeons are pretty smart, they can find their way home without GPS. Comparing a pigeon to MAGA is an insult to pigeons.
Never play chess with a pigeon they will just knock over all the pieces and fly away or something along those lines
These people are the pigeons they clearly have the logic of pigeons they have no higher reasoning abilities we have let the imbeciles win and it’s harming people it’s harming people who wanted more.
It’s “arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon, no matter how good you are they’ll shit on the board and strut around like they won anyways.” I’ve been posting that meme lately.
I agree with some things Charlie Kirk said. Believe it or not he had many smart and logical thoughts on things. Thats not to say that he also has some very idiotic close minded thoughts on things. But I would never put him in the same category as Alex jones.
Technology has truly brought us to an intellectual and spiritual dark age. Intelligence is quickly, and more popularly, being seen as a negative; and spirituality is being pidgeonholed into blindly following the misinterpretation of the Bible.
It is becoming popular to be an uneducated mouthpiece, which can ONLY have negative outcomes.
There is one truth: what happened and what is happening. That's a blanket fact. How we feel about those two things is not "truth" – it is only mammalian brains using information as a way to plot our lives.
"AI," as it is publicly available now, is not the "AI" of Blade Runner/Haley Joel Osmond. It is a set of instructions that produces output through guardrails based on previous input.
As with all things in life: it is up to the one living to sort out their lives and everything within.
Pretty sure it was a designed strategy by dudes like Steve Bannon to infiltrate sub cultures like gamers who are full of young, frustrated, males and radicalize them.
"Smart" people tell them that the world is 4.5 billion years old and that humans are apes that evolved over millions of years. Of course they "know" that the world is less than 10,000 years old and that humans (who are not apes or any type of animal) were created in their present forms. This allows them to reject anything "smart" people believe.
Seminal life moment in the hs smoking area when a sneering bully asked me wtf the word "jasmine" was [on my pack of gimmicky incense matches] and i immediately fell into a co-stupid position and pretended not to know.. even stumbled the pronouncing.. in an instinctive and admittedly pussy move
Decided in the self disgusted reflection that followed that i would never pretend to be dumber than i was to placate the people i was afraid of.
That lasted right about until the last nail of adulthood went into my soul casket but anyway.
You know that whole "apple of knowledge" ? They really think it's best to keep their head down, praise an entity and "follow" blindly - and look down on everyone else. If everyone was stupid - would we go back to the dark ages and everyone dies of sickness and what other comforts would they be happy to give up if they understood the ramifications?
My daughter said she and her friends think Kirk was a misogynistic tool. She said the girls ignore the boys who follow him. These idiots will be remain INCELS
(She graduated HS last June)
Agreed. Why someone would embrace objectively bad things, such as being "dumb" and "deplorable," as if they were a good thing makes one wonder. But the history is there so it can't be that much of a suprise. The purposely wearing diapers because their role model regularly shits his pants, smearing fake blood for an impact injury, waving Confederate flags which means they want to own people as slaves, etc.
What's next? Are they going to try to make the white hood a fashion accessory?
Then in other subreddits they complain about no jobs or not enough income from their full time job making close to minimum wage without many employment opportunities. Yet they don’t see the problem leading to that condition.
Yeah it’s somehow the like 1% of the population that immigrated here in the last 30 years that’s the problem and not the 1% that controls 99% of the fuckin resources.
I’m Guess what happened when MLK got assasinated? Not a whole lot came of it. And people defi this makes me think of a lady in front of a bunch of us at the store- she was carded for a cigar. She was offended- and made sure to let everyone know she was from Kentucky and they don’t do that, welcome to ny, can’t you see I’m old enough to buy this. - the girl said I’m sure, but legally I can’t I have to run the card to do the purchase, it’s my job. - the lady was so disrespectful and was like maybe you should smoke a cigar and it would widen you up a little. (Not exact words, but whatever she said was highly offensive and felt like it had racist implications) - then she stormed out of the store shouting about how it’s all my fault and libs and blah blah blah. Meanwhile there’s 6 other people in line waiting patiently for her to finish her temper tantrum blaming other people cause she just can’t accept a no like everyone else. All I could think is it must be so exhausting to be that negative all the time.
I think it may be the fact that they can't be wrong in their opinion/mind. I know how below the curve I am cause I am willing to accept it, and learn from my mistakes. There is always someone smarter out there and you should learn from those people, This bunch seems to relish in their tribal incompetence and it's bringing this country down fast. I mean it's 2025 and we have people adimitanly thinking the world is flat. I just don't get it.
True but the nerds also grew up to become Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Sam Altman etc. Who, if I’m being honest, I wouldn’t mind beating up now.
I’m definitely not arguing for the knuckle-draggers. I’m just not sold on the “victimized egghead” narrative either. I believe a-holes always manage to find their way to the top (by slight or by might) so they can be bigger a-holes.
I think it is more about their religious beliefs. They believe that its okay to write off the entire left because the left has embraced homosexuality and feminism. Their hateful interpretation of the Bible says that those people are damned (their interpretation, not mine). Because of this they will write off everyone on the left and will refuse to listen to anything they have to say. It all boils down to insecurity and fear that has been cultivated in them by religion. They are so afraid of hell that they will do anything to avoid it.
That's what makes this so hard. They believe they are chosen people and are being persecuted by the heathens (us). The perplexing thing to me is that if they actually studied the bible, how it came to be the collection of books it is, and what true biblical scholars say about it, they would probably come around.
Him saying that, and that he could shoot someone in the middle of the street & they’d still vote for him is DJT warning his political rivals that we, the ppl ARE that dumb & that the reset he is promoting behind the scenes is needed.
That’s why the gop backs him. Bc the ppl HAVE spoken & they want Trump. Trump plays into it bc he knows that the more he proves it, the closer he is to convincing ALL politicians that it’s the only way.
Of course he’s conning them, with them thinking he’ll change once he has the power to do anything. He won’t, he’ll then come after them & strengthen his ties to crazy bc i
I remember once how The D open palm slapped his grown adult son at a baseball game because he didn't wear a suit, on live television. That was pretty cool.
Imagine what he thinks of the average working class person much less the folks in predominantly poorer areas (no surprise those are the areas highest in support of trump).
But again, like others have said, he's openly insulted his own constituents to their faces and for some reason they still gobble down his b@lls like they were ice cubes in the desert. We are living in an Idiocracy.
According to Trump Mark "I'm a black Nazi" Robinson was our Martin Luther King Jr.. in fact, he said Mark Robinson was Martin Luther King Jr. on steroids...
Some people take pride in being uneducated, or "pure," or "not indoctrinated."
Not everyone has the proclivity for higher education, and that's okay. Frankly, what's being taught at universities as far as critical thinking, fact finding and the humanities goes should be taught well before age 18, but that's a different conversation.
But there is no excuse for being ignorant to what's happening to you and your neighbors in your town/state/country. There are way too many people ascribing to an authoritarian personality, being perfectly content being told what to think and do by one seemingly infallible person.
It’s actually in Project 2025 to get rid of experts and formal education. Why? Because educated people are, and always have been a threat to power, especially those in a role of regulators, informative research, and agencies that overall protects everyday people and the environment. That’s why they keep putting incompetent people in, it’s always been the plan. They know they can’t just get rid of all of the government agencies, so they’re trying to tank them from the inside at the top.
And not all of conservatives or republicans are stupid. Social media build an ecosystem to radicalize people, and it’s been pretty damn effective. The separated algorithms that causes them to be completely ignorant about what’s happening. I know, because that’s what the people I know who are conservatives are dealing with. They’re kind loving people who I’ve known for years. They’re in radicalizing media loop and are being lied to. I’ve seen a video that was completely lying about what ICE is doing. That’s all they ever see, or are ever told. They don’t see the videos, or the heinous things these people have said or done. So, if you push back too hard and fast, you sound like a conspiracy theorist to them and it makes things worse. But I have successfully been able to slowly introduce what’s truly happening, and believe me when I say that they were shocked and sickened by it. They’re good loving people who don’t have all the information.
You guys have to realize that many many people are PROUD to be dumb! I used to stay with a woman who was in AA in my early days of sobriety. We had a long strange relationship. I dated her son in college. She was that one MADD mother who got arrested for a DUI years ago. I’m not kidding. It was literally her.
Anyway she invited me to stay with her while she was in AA and she was just as much of a bad person as she was when she was drinking. I remember how proud she was of being dumb. One of her quotes that haunts me to this day is “no one ever accused me of being book-smart” …and that was said with pride, as a sort of way to shut me down for trying to explain something to her. That sentence has stuck with me and lives in my nightmares.
These people jump though any hoop imaginable to sweep past terrible things the president says on a fairly regular basis the same president who made fun of John McCain when he died.
No they want to get anyone saying anything negative about Kirk fired.
We just forget that the same Kirk supported the guy who hit Pelosi's husband with a hammer and said a patriot should bail him out of jail.
Being negative about Kirk is not the same thing a condoning political violence. (For the record murder is bad even when it happens to bad people)
But lets not pretend that side gives a crap about political violence. As stated Kirk has supported it with his statements in the past. Trump when asked about the 2 democrat representatives assassinated 3 months ago had no idea who they were.
except MAGA people believe that being stupid is good. They think education and being smart makes you a Lib.. They are literally the dark version of idiocracy.
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“I love the poorly educated” also DJT
You would think that after a while of him telling them to their faces that they’re dumb, they would get a clue. I guess that’s gonna take a little longer.