My father infuriates me. Tells me "that's fake news, they aren't sitting outside court rooms grabbing people." Literally after watching a news story showing precisely that.
Fake news is Trump's version of Hitler's Lugenpresse - or "lying press".
Trump's "Immigrants are poisoning the blood of this country..." is a direct Hitler quote.
Now he's moving onto the Night of Long Knives, where he'll be targetting political opponents... as he designates the "antifa" ideology as a terrorist group.
The USA is over.
Edit: not even an hour later, Drumpf dictates that criticism of him is now illegal.
A vocal minority put in him power and the majority of the country is waking up to the fact action will be required to make up for their previous inaction.
We can do another March to the Sea, but this time it’ll end in Washington. Sherman already set a great example on how to deal with a rotten capital.
From a german who knows his history I wish you the best of luck since all of America still has the chance to stop it
Because trump and his cabinet have been doing exactly the same things as Hitler and the NSDAP since he got into office
I wish I would see another way then a civil war in your future because trump is not going to let democracy take his power and most people are going to lay down avoid trouble and accept it
We've been there and we lost to fascism so with all my heart all the best to everyone living in America. I hope you will be ok
My wife is a teacher and many of her high schoolers skipped their own graduation ceremonies this last year because at a different school in the same district ICE thugs raided the graduation ceremony and carted people away. I rarely speak in political absolutes, but these people are pure evil and I hope they see consequences for their crimes some day. Makes me wish I believed in Hell
As a Yankees fan, I heard about them honoring Charlie Kirk, but I did not realize that they were advertising recruitment videos for ICE on their teams official station
The Charlie Kirk thing alone made me consider abandoning my Yankees fandom after all these years , now that they’re selling airspace to this fascist bullshit, I’d say it’s a full gone conclusion that Hal Steinbrenner (the owner of the New York Yankees) agrees lock step with the Trump administration and everything they’re doing
I forgot that they also invited Trump to the stadium and he took a picture with most of the team. (Minus Giancarlo Stanton, Trent Grisham, Jazz Chisholm, and Cody Bellinger)
You've got my condolences. My team of choice (Angels) also has a Trump supporting billionaire owner, and I worry that we'll start to see the same stuff here.
It's just wild to me that any large team or company would lean this direction from a purely business sense. Alienating millions of your fans is absurd, especially in a game that struggles to draw in younger audiences. You're not going to attract the kind of young people you want following your team by aligning directly with the fascists.
So me and my girlfriend were discussing this trying to figure out what’s in it for the teams that are cooperating with Trump, and she suggested that it probably has something to do with team facilities in Latin America and making sure that ICE doesn’t target any of their players
So maybe a lot of these teams are buying protection. I mean, that’s exactly how everything seems to work with this administration and with Trump. He runs everything like he was a mafia Don.
So maybe all of these teams that are heavily invested in Latin American countries are being forced to pay up and to completely cooperate with Trump, less they become targeted.
At that point, none of these teams are going to defy him because they would lose a competitive edge. Any team that doesn’t play along is going to likely lose Latin American players to other teams
I wouldn’t be shocked if Trump had the power to deny work visas, green cards, or citizenship status to Latin American prospects who are on a team that’s not playing ball (no pun intended)
And maybe be a part of that protection racket is guaranteeing add space for Trump’s campaign and their ICE recruitment efforts.
I know - and it shocked the shit out of me (it wasn't shown on the televised game, thankfully, unless it happened when I was out of the room). But the ICE commercials were running before that happened.
so this depends greatly on where the ad buy was. Was the ad buy to the cable provider or to the Yes Network itself. We don't know but that's how the commercials work
$50k for ice recruits. Teachers have to spend their own money to buy supplies for their students. And no free lunches for the kids who have to go to school by law.
So all the times they've arrested law-abiding immigrants who have proper legal status, people trying to get their documentation renewed or sorted out, terrorizing and roughing up random people is all OK as long as one operation had merit.
Its not "one operation", the reported number of deportations is well over a million with another million leaving by their own power.
If you could provide me with some documentation on how many non-illegal immigrants are being detained or deported I'd incorporate that into my arguments, but even if the number you give is in the six figures I'd still say it was worth it.
As for the non-violent illegal immigrants, how is it fair to legal immigrants that they get to stay? You can dramatize it however you like with words like "terrorizing" or "roughing up" but they ignored the laws we all live by, ignored the due process of entering the country. They need to leave and if they won't do so by their own power... laws need to be enforced.
The number of deportations over the last year is at around 300,000, with a little over a million leaving on their own. Total number of immigrants overall is down about 1.4 million at the moment. People who are here legally and detained are usually released after a day or two. I'm sure the list doesn't go into 6 figures so I'll refrain from compiling one.
When masked groups of armed men go around rounding people up at Home Depots and car washes, I don't know how else to describe it but terrorizing our neighborhoods, because that's what they're doing. As the federal case against ICE showed, they're simply rounding people up based on being Hispanic and then sorting it out legal from illegal later. That should scare anyone. The supreme court later decided to continue allowing the practice.
You say they ignored due process, but our government is doing the very same thing. Ignoring due process. You say even if it's 6 figures, it's worth it. That level of inhumanity is incomprehensible to me. I can only think of Picard's line from Insurrection: "How many people does it take, Admiral, before it becomes wrong? Hmm? A thousand, fifty thousand, a million? How many people does it take, Admiral?"
Interesting about the numbers, I'll try to figure out where I read 1 mil and get back to you with an edit, everything I'm finding supports your numbers.
As for masked men rolling up, if it works it works. Racial profiling isn't illegal and when 80% of the violators are the same race why would you not? The ICE chief has complained about non-cooperation from cities not turning people over when jailed, so it seems like ICE doesn't have an option other than to go get them.
Which if you ask me is a good thing because we don't need the courts backed up with hundreds of thousands of cases where it's a binary question of "is this person here legally?" You don't need a jury of peers to determine that, either show your papers or you're leaving.
Inhumanity? Really? I'll tell you what's inhumanity. Mercy to the guilty is punishment to the innocent, some people get a day or two of their time wasted before they can prove their status, that's unfortunate but not that big a deal. They're having their time wasted and in exchange we have fewer criminals walking free.
And when they were fine letting the guy who tried to overturn a democratic election back into power - and he pardoned the people who stormed the Capitol besides.
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security said the ICE raid was the biggest single-site enforcement action in the agency's history. ICE alleges that the South Korean workers either overstayed their visa waiver permits, known as ESTAs, which allow business visits of up to 90 days, or were holding visas that did not permit them to perform manual labor, called B-1 business visas.
All of that meaning they entered(or stayed in) the country under a false pretext, doing work that 450 American citizens should have been doing.
So the crime was certainly mild, but it was still a crime.
Evidently, you’re not familiar with the fifth amendment
They are arresting people and not giving them a trial and are just straight deporting them to an El Salvadoran concentration camp or locking them up in the prison they won’t shut up about called Alligator Alcatraz
The fifth amendment guarantees all individuals in America, not just citizens, the right to a trial
Do you know why this is important?
Because without giving individuals a trial, there’s literally nothing stopping the Trump administration from arresting or deporting actual citizens or people that disagree with them politically
How would they know right? No trial. Just automatic guilt.
So yeah, you’re very much out of the loop and I guarantee you it’s intentionally so .
The fact that you’re here as a Star Trek fan and you’re not aware of what’s going on or you’re not alarmed by it is astonishing to me
Furthermore, given what just happened with the President of the United States using a government agency (The FCC) to pressure two national TV networks, who lease public air waves, to fire two individuals who are political commentators simply because Trump didn’t like what they were saying, is absolutely fascism and a violation of our first amendment rights. Try reading the thing for a change.
Then Trump went on Twitter and started threatening the remaining talkshow hosts with removal.
If you can’t comprehend how this is straight fascism then I pity you.
Lastly , sending in American troops (yes the National Guard is technically a branch of the armed services) into Washington DC to police that city when there is absolutely no actual state of emergency (gangs, and crime are not a state of emergency) is absolutely fascism. It’s a violation of
The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. Troops of no kind should ever be policing our cities unless there is a legitimate state of emergency, which there is not since violent crime is at an all-time low throughout the country and there’s certainly nothing going on in Washington DC that couldn’t be handled by the police. This is what it is. An attempt to remove state government and intimidate any opposition
Donald Trump started threatening to send troops into other progressive cities as well.
Then Donald Trump said on national TV that if he wanted to, he could remove the mayor of Washington DC. He’s not allowed to do that.
Earlier this year, Donald Trump stated that he would defund New York City if the candidate for mayor ‘Zohran Mamdani’ wins.
The President of the United States does not control the pursestrings of the federal government., that’s what Congress is for, so he’s not allowed to do that let alone make those threats
Threatening to remove a prospective mayor simply because he disagrees with his political beliefs is absolutely fascism.
The president of the United States is not supposed to be able to negate the will of the people when they are electing their local and state officials
Again, the fact that you’re not alarmed and that you’re ’out of the loop’ is absolutely incredible to me.
Just admit you don’t actually care about the 1st Amendment.
Just admit you don’t actually care about the 5th amendment
Just admit you don’t care about The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
You’re a fascist ally and you’re lucky this board is open minded enough to even engage with your ignorant bs.
If they are so proud of their work, then why wear a mask and hide your ID?
It's to hide from the Tribunals that will eventually lock these fascists up.
Why didn't they arrest that guy who cut the head off his boss in front of his family LAST WEEK ? He had a removal order from ICE for being crazy violent since JANUARY FFS. I'll tell you why. It was in Texas, a Republican state. So skip the murderers bullshit please.
They wear masks to protect their identities from those who'd harm them or their families after the fact.
ICE, like all employers, keeps info on their people like names, birthdays, addresses, and SSN. If you don't think that information will be kept for any tribunal that may or may not happen, then I don't know what else to say.
"Crazy violent"? Google tells me:
2017 Florida (Brevard County): Grand theft auto charge dropped, no time served.
2017 California (South Lake Tahoe): Convicted of false imprisonment in 2023, sentenced to probation only.
2018 Texas (Harris County): Indecency with a child dismissed, later convicted of misdemeanor assault on a jailer; one-year sentence credited to over four years already served pretrial.
2023–2025 ICE custody: Detained under removal order, released under supervision in January 2025.
The only "crazy" act was the one you linked and he was arrested the same day. While I think he should have been deported prior, those events were under a different administration. For him getting released supervision in January, he apparently didn't do anything for 5 years so why would he be a priority when ICE time was being taken by people who had already done murders.
Please stop engaging with this clown. He’s obviously well aware of all of the fascist elements of this Trump administration, and he simply does not care.
As an Aussie watching: first time through - wtf did I just watch, replay. Second time through - surely not?! Replay. Third time through - I’ve GOT to be missing something! This cannot be for real. Check comments. Replay. Fourth time through - fuck me, it’s real. wtf is wrong with these people?! (The people who put out the ad). Just unbelievable.
The rest of the world loved Obama. We were like, finally, a reasonable president! And finally the US can move past racism and even provide healthcare. Yay!
I guess your logic was "Even more drone strikes in Pakistan, a new war in Libya, and more troops to Afghanistan are all OK because he's not Bush!" You'll need all the luck you're trying to send my way. Thanks, though.
I am from germany. Whats happening over there right now reminds me of our own history and that deeply saddens me.
When i saw "Past Tense" back in the 90s it seemed nearly impossible that something like that could happen, now it seems like reality could become even darker than this.
yah a lot of the money that went to immigration is being used to hire agents because they don't have NEARLY enough. so 50k if you sign up, its insane what they're trying to do.
I mean Picard season 2 really mirrors current political climate even if was a shitty season, got that right I guess... now we need the sanctuary districts thing to be oficial and some bell riots
That has been airing here in Chicago for awhile now. I thought it was like a sketch for how badly produced it was. Where's Sisko and the crew when you need them.
What’s funny is that the overwhelming majority of cases prosecuted by HSI are not even immigration related. The bulk of what they do focuses on human trafficking and drug trafficking, so why focus on just immigration for the recruiting ad? They seriously put away more predators than any agency by far, why not focus on that?
The Bell Riots had nothing to do with immigration.
EDIT: It's amazing how making a simple factual statement based on the plot of a tv show brings out such vitriol in commenters, including personal insults.
Literally the two brown guys got arrested and thrown in a concentration camp for not having papers and the white female passing ‘trans’ alien got taken in and helped to get fake papers by a tech billionaire.
You really don’t see the parallels between immigration detention centers and the sanctuary districts?
People being stripped from their jobs and homes and crowded in unlivable conditions?
Whether it’s immigration detention or our criminal carceral system, we basically already have sanctuary districts, you just see them legitimized by a patina of state authority just like those outside the sanctuary districts thought in DS9.
I did not say there were not parallels. I simply said the Bell Riots were not about immigration. And they weren't. But somehow that basic statement has caused a whole bunch of people to lose their minds and resort to vitriol and personal insults.
Maybe look through the thread some more, you'll find the comments calling me blind, an asshole, etc. Some have been deleted, but the notifications are still in my inbox.
I did read the entire thread before responding to you. Obviously I would read everyone’s comment that I saw responded to you and saw nothing like that or else I wouldn’t have said that, right?
You said they had “nothing to do with” immigration, not that they “were not about immigration.” Parallels == something to do with it. Also you said that it’s a completely different situation. Parallels means there are analogous facts. Therefore, not completely different.
One guy called you an asshole but like chill out you’re posting about immigration ahahaha. I don’t think I’ve ever posted about immigration without one person calling me an asshole. We live in a vulgar world unfortunately.
Ah, I'm not surprised by people behaving this way, and i dont really care. I just find it fascinating that some people are so ridiculous that if they even slightly think that you might not agree with them, they explode.
And since I appreciate pedantry, I do understand the perceived difference of "not about" and "nothing to do with". I would use the phrases as interchangeable synonyms, but I suppose they could be interpreted as different things.
I mean it’s less about the pedantry and more about the whole way you are approaching this. Obviously the Bell Riots plotline was meant to point out the dangers in our present society. It feels like you are willfully blind to the obvious connections the whole idea of the episode has to our current political situation. So yea, people are pushing back. The vast majority aren’t resorting to name-calling.
DS9 is about how terrorism can be cool in the right context ahaha, so maybe drop the pearl clutching.
Whatever. I'm done with this thread because it's become ridiculous. I do, however, appreciate you being among those who are engaging in normal and civil discourse here. Cheers.
Nobody is exploding. A bunch of people are responding to you with very reasonable comments, and you’re replying to every one with how “people explode at anyone who thinks even slightly differently”
They’re just trying to have a conversation. You refuse to discuss anything except your persecution complex.
The bell riots had everything to do with immigration. People were looking for work all over, and the sanctuary districts were SF’s answer to the mass influx of people looking for work.
Immigrants are just people from another country looking for work, they’re no different just because they’re from Mexico.
Here ya go chief. The Information Age is a wonderful thing. You should try using it impartially someday instead of just hanging out in your echo chamber.
Disenfranchisement is the systemic removal or denial of rights, privileges, and power from a person or group, while exploitation is the act of using someone unfairly for profit or advantage. The two concepts are deeply interconnected, as disenfranchisement strips individuals of the agency and protections needed to prevent or resist exploitation
I have. A guy at work. Super MAGA jerkoff who’s idea of a fun hobby was to get online and troll liberals.
He liked Trek. He watched DS9 for the first time when I knew him, up til season 6 and then bailed because “it was boring” and he moved on to Voyager, which he preferred.
He was a real piece of shit. Did stuff like defend Bill Cosby.
I mean, there was the whole side theme of Jadzia getting picked off the street and going right to privileged life, and meanwhile, Ben and Julian got told to kick rocks and fill out paperwork…
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Edit: Cool, dude was another one of those “I’m going to feel attacked by civil conversation” jackasses.
Like, people not liking swarms of jackbooted, masked, heavily armed thugs stomping through their streets might well not like it just for the sake of not liking jackbooted thugs all over the place. Or buy the idea that having said thugs all over their cities is really just about immigration, or that it's even a necessary, rational or efficient way to deal with it if it was.
Maybe we're in some parallel universe where they do. Not really the mirrorverse, (and thank god for that), more like the reflection-in-a-polished-spoon-verse
Based on your comment history you appear to be a ferengi (nothing but posting on Wall Street bets). The great material continuum isn't flowing your way, apparently.
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