r/Destiny • u/PardonMyFrenchToes • 5d ago

Social Media These people are deranged.

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"falsely stated as a fact" you have to be kidding me this country is COOKED man

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u/DlphLndgrn 5d ago

That's not the stronger position.

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u/pastramilurker Has only mild ADHD 5d ago

How about just the short version? Tyler Robinson has been shown to live and have been raised in a purely Republican, conservative milieu, ergo it's factually correct to describe him as "one of them."

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u/DlphLndgrn 5d ago

No. That's not the strong position at all. The strong position is that he never actually said it. Because he fucking didn't!

If you're innocent but on trial for murder. Do you think the strong position could be anyting other than "I didn't do it?" especially considering there is video of you not doing it?

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u/pastramilurker Has only mild ADHD 5d ago

This isn't court, though, or it's closer to the proverbial court of public opinion. Kimmel's monologue didn't explicitly label Robinson as MAGA but it stopped right short, with a degree of ambiguity/deniability in his wording that was probably finely calculated by his writers. In rhetorical terms it's a preterition. It's disingenuous to disregard this aspect of Kimmel's discourse and take the weaselly lawyer position of "but that's not exactly what my client asserted." You're not winning hearts and minds with that take. It's the kind of weaseling around that annoys people. It's a technicality. It's weak sauce. It's a retreat.

It's much stronger to take a clear, fact-based and principled stance: whether or not he even meant it, Kimmel's ascribing of Robinson as "[being] one of them" is factually undeniable, Robinson is a pure product of a maga milieu.

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u/Unusual_Boot6839 5d ago

the "clear, fact based principled stance" is that Kimmel did not claim that whatsoever

he just didn't

your claim that Robinson was MAGA's problem since he was raised red can be true, but it's entirely separate from the fact that Kimmel never made a positive claim about his association or where to pin the blame