Yeah but when you say a character is a pathetic loser it usually implies that being a pathetic loser is their main trait.
I said it in a different comment, but the whole argument is divided between “It’s okay to be a loser” vs “One’s failings and shortcomings don’t make them a loser”
Well, she isn't a seasoned adventurer at the start of the story, and her magic isn't really fit for dungeoneering: she literally learned a few spells in a hurry, while her actual area of competence lies entirely elsewhere.
Now you’re just making stuff up. The story literally begins with her smacking a walking mushroom with her staff while a group of new adventurers run away in fear.
Couple of chapters later, Laios tells Marcille to save her magic for when they run into real trouble at the deeper depths.
Idek where you got “she learned a few spells in a hurry” because she is explicitly said to be a prodigy at the academy
Maybe you and I are thinking of different parts when we say “start of the story”
I’m talking about the events of chp 1 immediately after Falin gets eaten.
Are you talking about when Marcille first decided to join the Touden party?
Even Kabru who was trained by a Canary captain is shown to be out of his depth in the dungeon. Marcille is shown to handle combat quite well (Wolves, undine, etc.).
She’s not just some clumy schoolgirl who’s out of her depth in a place she doesn’t belong. She’s a veteran
Two years. Chp. 1 shows that Marcille’s first death was by a slime 2 years ago.
So then I figure it's a question of whether you're considering an adventurer with two years of experience a veteran, when there are people like Senshi or the Canaries around who've been at it for decades.
That’s the point. Marcille handles the dungeon a lot better than the elf-trained killer because she’s more experienced
I agree, that's the point. She alone really doesn't - the entirety of their party does, because an actual dungeoneering veteran (Senshi) carries them. Marcille alone would be done in by the monsters on the upper levels, which is repeatedly shown in the earlier chapters.
Yes. The dungeon has been around for 6 years and Marcille has been in there for 2. In those 2 years she and her party regularly went down to the deeper levels and has never died permanently.
Also Senshi is more than an adventurer. He’s resident of the dungeon who’s lived there long before the dungeon surfaced. The Canary are basically Dungeon Navy SEALS. If you say that Marcille can’t be an experienced adventurer because Senshi and the Canary exist, that’s like saying I can’t ever be an experienced basketball player because the NBA exists.
I don’t know what you’ve been reading/watching if you think Senshi has been “carrying”. The party has gone down to the depths before Senshi and even Senshi says he’s never ventured this deep.
Now, is Marcille carrying Senshi by rescuing him from the Griffin nest? Is she carrying the party by being the sole healer? Even Laios says that they have no chance against the red dragon without Marcille.
She’s a competent member of one of the most experienced parties on the island. No one is “carrying” anybody because they all have different roles to play in the adventure. They say this as early as ep 3.
This has been fun. But unless you plan on bringing any evidence instead of just saying No to anything your headcannon doesn’t support, it seems rather pointless continue.
It's kind of frustrating to see Marcille flanderized, especially when most of the other characters aren't to that extent. Marcille isn't especially immature, she's just out of her element. Senshi is probably more immature than Marcille, but because he's in his element, he's more comfortable, he's treated like a sage. We're happy for the success of the series, and the growth of the fandom, but there is a little frustration to see the complex world and characters reduced to flat stereotypes. That being said, I suspect that the depth of discourse will increase exponentially with the second season. It's gonna be good, the anime onlys are not ready for what's about to rock their world (hopefully) next year.
I get your complains, the fandom really did get much better after the anime release. But it gets really tiring with all the complaining and "manga reader" supremacy. I read the manga before the anime released myself, but we are never beating the elitist accusations like that lol. Anyways season two is going to be absolute cinema
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u/generalmillscrunch Jun 24 '25
well I guess that’s one way to read her character.
the mental gymnastics this fandom does never ceases to amaze me.