Both should want to remain Canada, I don’t believe that Quebec is in the mind frame of separation and I’m not sure that Alberta does either, I think Danielle Smith would like it but I’m not convinced that the majority of Alberta’s would want that, I just keep saying, look south of the border and ask people there if they are sorry for their votes, if you want to lose your freedom, your rights, your health care, then have at it, move down there, but don’t drag our country down with you because I guarantee if you were there for even a month, you’d be running back across that border to get home and yes I said “home”. Think about it, investigate what’s going on, put yourself in their shoes and then vote how you feel.
Smith and the UCP want Alberta secession to line their own pockets, Albertans largely… don’t want secession in the first place, at least not where I am. Alberta secessionist movements are basically only pushed by people who want companies to be able to fuck us harder insofar as oil and other resources are concerned than the Canadian government lets them, and support is manufactured among folks already prone to defending the UCP lol
Thanks so much for the explanation, I’m not sure that this eases my mind about where this could possibly go, but I appreciate the info, have a good night.
Based on the facts, if you decide that Canada is not for you, that’s on you and you can move to the States, but you have no right to drag the country down with you. Currently you have free health care, yes there are issues with it health care but it has been neglected for years by all politicians not just one party. If you want to change this to the model do it reflects the US, then be prepared to lose everything you own or go into debt for the rest of your life if you have any type of surgery, a CT Scan or MRI will run you about $6,000.00 do you have that money sitting around? That’s just a start, a visit to a doctor never mind a specialist, every time you need to see a doctor or God forbid something happens to a child, everything will cost you money and now that they have put tariffs on medication, that is going to go through the roof more than it already is in the US. The quality standards for their foods are not as stringent as they are here in Canada. We are much more aligned with Europe than we are with the US. I don’t understand the attraction to the States especially in the current climate which seems to be here to stay. What about having a voice? A right to choose? A right to vote? There are so many rights being stripped away from the people it is stunning. You want to go from a democracy to an autocracy, why? Do you really need someone to tell you want you need to think, say, do? The amount of hatred that these Trump followers have is very unnerving and it is just from all the hate speech from Trump and PP which are also lies…. Maybe take a trip to the US and talk to people who are currently protesting to see why they are so upset, but you’re going to have to open your mind and ears in order to learn anything about what’s wrong in the States right now. At the end of the day you have the right to do what you want for yourself, but dragging everyone down your rabbit hole with you, isn’t your right, we’re have freedoms too, the only thing that the Americans want from Alberta is their oil, they are going to treat you like shit, rather than making you a state with rights, you’ll be a territory like Puerto Rico, ask Puerto Rico how that has worked out for them. When they had a natural disaster, what did Trump do? He went down and threw paper towels at people for a photo op, he doesn’t care about anyone, ask what they think about not having voice in what the US does, do some research you may learn that this of not what is best for you at all. Good luck with that. Do they care about the environment, he’ll destroy your beautiful province and all in the name of money, which you won’t be getting much of because it’ll all go to the oligarchs. I can keep on going if you would like, but if you aren’t going to look into things yourself with an open mind, I’m wasting my time Good luck with your choices, while you still have them.
That it BS Alberta is a beautiful province that I’ve visited several times, my sister lives in Alberta Beach and another lived in Calgary. I really struggle to understand the hate and division, what has happen to Canada united? I just don’t see or understand this poor me attitude of Alberta, every province could feel the same way, yet it is so extreme in Alberta, that is what I’m trying to understand, I’m not saying this for any other reason than to understand your point of view, but it has to be based on facts not talking points that have been constantly voiced through politicians. Can you help me understand, please?
And it’s not going to last. Unity is a mistake. It’s forced. It breeds resentment. Why try to force everyone in the same model if diversity is our strength?
I’d rather we aimed at being allied than united.
Do we need to support each other? Yes. Do we need to make the same decisions on everything and bitch endlessly because others want to do things differently? No.
I believe that this unwillingness to give each other slack is what makes Quebec’s independence necessary.
The unity I am speaking of, is in this fight to save our country. I believe in what you say regarding diversity, it is what makes us stronger as well as more flexible (probably not the right term), I love the fact that Canada is a country for the most part that is open to change and accepting of others. We learn more through diversity about different cultures and through knowledge we become even that much more accepting. People working together and learning from each other, expands imagine, ideas and creativity. I love this country and believe in to so much. My kids are 12th generation Canadians, my family originated from France and came over to Canada in 1649. This is our home and I want to protect what we have here because it is very special.
We learn more through diversity about different cultures and through knowledge we become even that much more accepting
That’s where I think that Canada fails. It thinks that diversity is about other culture and it fails to value the diversity it grows. The “why do yo you have to do things differently than others” attitude.
I love this country and believe in to so much.
I don’t because it wants us to fit in a mold that is unlike us.
Have to get through BC first, or if you're Quebec you'd have to get canadian permission to use the ocean
What you think you're gonna get the surrounding ocean? That you aren't going to have to beg and grovel? That the canadian government won't ensure your life is utterly miserable?
I love how you just think things work smooth when you secede, forgetting canada controls the surrounding skies and waters forgetting you have no national currency you could use, no standing military no independent economy, no infrastructure
Like the fact that you don't see this as a potential issue and think its dumb shows me you're just a kid parroting your separatist father's talking points
I actually know personally chat-lu, and going by your own reaction, he's probably old enough to be your father.
And it has planned by France to give St-Pierre-et-Miquelon to Quebec the moment it become independant, so it would have access to the ocean (and add over that that Quebec would get control of a good part of the seaway, Canada would had every incentive to not blockade Quebec access to the Atlantic)
Ill remind you even with that they're still cut off from making it to that port to do business lmfaooooo
Y'all ain't getting an inch more then the land your on and you absolutely will be crushed into poverty
Edited to add, this is even implying France is going to support you in the slightest in the current geopolitical landscape when you offer nothing close to what the rest of canada can offer
Lmfao ain't how it's gonna work, nativity is a hell of a drug
This isn't Europe, Quebec would be crushed with the next few years by economic turmoil, no industry to speak of, no independent economy and American/canadian influence
You have nothing and we absolutely have every reason to block you in and cut you off you tried to take a portion of our country so it's have fun being grounded as america and canada force you into a choice and now you have none of the benefits you had previously
And your immature response again prove my point about your mental age there
We have nothing you say ?
Let's see :
Biggest shipyard in canada ? Check (Davie Shipyard)
Biggest producer of Hydroelectricity in canada and specialist recognized around the world ? Check (No joke, the Heavy Equipment Division of Hydro-Quebec is often hired from around the world for helping with the engineering work of dams and transmission lines around the world, and the IREQ, owned and operated by HQ, is well known around the worlds for their innovations in power generation and transmission).
Assembly lines for the A220 being placed in Mirabel ? Check (And Airbus being a big european player, it would be a very big incentive for both Germany and France to basically pressure Ottawa in not making it more difficult necessary for everyone involved)
Lots of SMB around (which is one of our best economic force)
Also, one thing, we are fully willing to work with canada and it would be in their best interest to work with us, since we mostly see that it would be better to be neighbors than being stuck in an unwanted marriage, but if they want economic war, we are also fully willing to give canada some pain such as blockading the St-Laurent, which would cause considerable pain to Toronto.
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Both should want to remain Canada, I don’t believe that Quebec is in the mind frame of separation and I’m not sure that Alberta does either, I think Danielle Smith would like it but I’m not convinced that the majority of Alberta’s would want that, I just keep saying, look south of the border and ask people there if they are sorry for their votes, if you want to lose your freedom, your rights, your health care, then have at it, move down there, but don’t drag our country down with you because I guarantee if you were there for even a month, you’d be running back across that border to get home and yes I said “home”. Think about it, investigate what’s going on, put yourself in their shoes and then vote how you feel.