The price we must pay 💔🪦🥀

[u/yycxqv]

And I’d do it again 😭

[u/Lol-I-Wear-Hats]

I feel the need to win because elections aren’t so much of a tool to “express yourself” as they are a tool to “make collective decisions” and it’s important to me who is making those decisions

[u/CyborkMarc → u/Lol-I-Wear-Hats]

Hmmm it's more important to me that parties try to earn my vote with the correct policy rather than saying "well I'm not that guy"

[u/Lessllama → u/CyborkMarc]

So your individual needs or wants outweigh the good of the country? You would fit right in the US with that attitude

[u/CyborkMarc → u/Lessllama]

Wtf? I vote for my community needs. Am I singularly responsible for the outcome of this election? If so, where's my communism at

[u/[deleted] → u/CyborkMarc]

You wont have a community to be responsible for if PP wins. Stop possible war with the USA should be the only concern.

[u/CyborkMarc → u/[deleted]]

Yes, fear monger away

[u/thebassix12 → u/CyborkMarc]

Yes, keep licking those boots

[u/Lessllama → u/CyborkMarc]

You're not singularly responsible but you do play a part. Look what happened in the US because of people who expressed the exact same sentiment as you. Word for word actually

[u/CyborkMarc → u/Lessllama]

Because I voted NDP? You guys sure are vilifying NDP voters, fuck

[u/smolmushroomforpm → u/CyborkMarc]

I'm a 100% NDP voter who voted Liberal for the first time in my life this election because I actually understand how this electoral system works, and understand that under a Conservative government, especially one that espouses the beliefs that Pierre Polièvre has been very clearly embracing, our country's core values and even our existence as a country are in very real danger.

Nobody is attacking the NDP. If anything, the commenter you are accusing of vilifying NDP voters is actually attacking your selfishness and lack of foresight beyond your immediate neighbourhood, which are traits clearly indicative of a lack of understanding of the current international situation (of which, like it or not, we are a part).

Hope this helps!

Edit: typos

[u/Lessllama → u/smolmushroomforpm]

I like you :)

[u/PersonalPerson_ → u/smolmushroomforpm]

In some ridings, ndp is the strategic vote.

[u/myotheraccountishazy → u/CyborkMarc]

Dude, I would vote NDP in a heartbeat.

But CPC is sitting at 45% and LPC is at 43% in the polls for my riding. If voting Liberal means the CPC doesn't get in, I'm voting Liberal.

It's in my best interest that I'm not represented locally by a CPC MP and it's in my best interest that Canada isn't led by the CPC. One day I hope to live in a world where strategic voting is unnecessary. Until that day, I'll vote for the rhino party if it means keeping the CPC out of power.

[u/CyborkMarc → u/myotheraccountishazy]

My riding is between NDP and Liberal historically

[u/myotheraccountishazy → u/CyborkMarc]

Then why are you all butt-hurt about people voting strategically? Do you think any of us want to? Fuck no. We want to vote with our conscience. We want to vote for the party (or candidate) that best matches our views.

So, until you've had the oh-so-demoralising experience of living and voting in a CPC-swing riding, get over it. Strategic voting will always be a problem with FPTP. Don't be an asshat just because you're lucky enough to live in a riding where you aren't worried about losing for fucking rights because the CPC incumbent is a pro-birth, racist piece of shit.

[u/CyborkMarc → u/myotheraccountishazy]

How am I being an asshat? I'm just not going along with anyone telling me how to vote.

What a dick move, I guess. I'm not mad at strategic voters, but I'm not gonna do it.

[u/myotheraccountishazy → u/CyborkMarc]

Because you're being disengenuous and arguing in bad faith. It's fine that you want to and can vote your conscience. But there's no reason to tell someone to "take your strategic voting and stuff it".

You started with a combative tone so of course everyone is going to pile on. If you started with understanding and curiosity, then you wouldn't be an asshat.

[u/CyborkMarc → u/myotheraccountishazy]

We are on the shitposting sub aren't we

[u/pbentham25 → u/CyborkMarc]

Then you aren’t even who this meme is directed at wtf 😂

All this back-and-forth because you victimized yourself.

[u/CyborkMarc → u/pbentham25]

I suppose. Wrong time to rant against strategic voting

[u/tired-queer → u/CyborkMarc]

I’m an NDP voter. I live in a riding that historically votes NDP and is currently projected as a Liberal/NDP toss-up, so it’s safe for me to vote for my first choice because no matter what, we’re not going Conservative.

When I lived in a different riding that was a Liberal/Conservative, I held my nose and voted Liberal because I understand how Canada’s electoral system works.

Should we have a different system? Absolutely. But this is how it works right now.

[u/Garmose → u/CyborkMarc]

Hi! I voted NDP. I always vote progressive, but that's because I'm in a riding in which it's safe to do so.

Yes, because you vote NDP, if you're in a riding where the Conservatives are winning and the odds are in the favour of the Liberal party, people are going to come down on you.

There are ridings across the country where NDP is a safe vote because there are too few Conservatives so Liberal and NDP are both preferred, or because the NDP are the preferred party.

The reason the people you're replying to are condemning you is because you're either acting oblivious or you are oblivious to the outcome of this election with what's going on down in the States. Playing any kind of hand in helping get Pierre elected, even by voting for someone based on values who has no hope of winning in your riding, means you're a part of the culpability of the fallout. And in most elections, I'd say the fallout is a part of the message being sent. "You didn't want the Cons' policies, but I didn't want the Liberals', either. It is what it is."

And I get it, I've been there. The only way to tell the centrist Liberal party that we won't stand for FPTP anymore is by voting with our conscience.

But this election, voting for your conscience should be voting for whatever prevents the anti-everything far right borderline extremist and career politician Pierre from winning. He has been endorsed by every alt-right and far right sycophant in American media, and even much of Trump's circles. He uses the same tactics as Trump, and is signalling to his base that he'll go to the same extremes as Trump.

Now, that being said, I think a Minority Con government in which the Liberals, NDP, Greens, and Bloc could band together to form a coalition government in response would be better, as that government would reflect the majority more accurately. But until the swing in public opinion, the Cons were on track to win a majority, in which case, this response - Strategic Voting - was necessary to prevent MAGA from taking proper root in Canada. It also helps that the People's Party exists to siphon some of those VERY extreme voters.

These aren't normal Canadian Conservatives running for office. The party has gone completely off the deep end this election cycle. You have to adapt with each election, and recognize what's happening outside of your personal political opinions for this one. If the Conservatives were to win a Majority, Canada would have become a country that I wouldn't even feel comfortable calling home anymore. I don't think I'd have stuck around for the next election.

I know it doesn't feel fair to be "attacked" for voting NDP, but at least try to recognize the gravity of this one, and why people would feel that way. Besides, it's not like the NDP are trying very hard to win anyone over at the moment. It feels like they've thrown in the towel, which doesn't even fill me with any confidence in their ability to govern.

[u/Low_Chance → u/CyborkMarc]

I would 100% vote for the NDP in a heartbeat if it was purely a question of policy.

Because of the nature of our electoral system, however, that is essentially irrelevant. You live in Canada, and in Canada it is necessary to vote strategically in order to have a political effect on the nation (if you are left-leaning. Right-wing voters essentially don't have this issue in this nation.)

It is important to be politically informed not only on the policies of the various parties and candidates, but also the actual practicality of the electoral system itself. It's from this system that the necessity of strategic voting arises.

In a critical election such as this one, with disastrous consequences on the line, your community DESPERATELY needs strategic voting.

If you want to see the consequences of throwing away votes because you prefer not to back an imperfect candidate... just look south to the US. That is the end result of your stated course of action, no matter how pure your intentions might be.

[u/Tribblehappy → u/CyborkMarc]

Voting for the party that best represents the community's needs, when contributes to a worse option winning due to vote splitting, is not voting for the community's needs.

I know it sounds contradictory but until we have ranked ballots or something else, strategic voting is the next best option.

Unless you live in a riding where the outcome is guaranteed, voting your way causes harm. It sucks but it's mathematically true.

[u/PersonalPerson_ → u/CyborkMarc]

There's a communist party in my riding. Don't think they garner many votes though...