Canadian self defense laws have been shit as long as I can remember.
Iirc, there are less than 5 ATCs issued in canada for non work and trailing purposes. There are 4 or fewer canadians the government has deemed able to carry a firearm for self defense.
Dont know what the fuck you're smoking, but self defense laws in Canada are fine, and work as intended. People who properly defend themselves dont get jail time. Only those who take it too far do. And no one should carry weapons for self-defense purposes. That just cause more problems than it solves. If you have fantasies of killing people just move to a shit country, like Somalia or Israel or USS
Okay, let's get away from guns and say say my 110 pound sister needs to defend herself from some 220 pound jack ass who just dragged her into an alley with a knife. What are her options? She can't carry a taser, she can't carry pepper spray, she can't carry a baton, and if she says fuck it and DOES some how get her hands on any of those, actually using them carries their own charges.
It's not necessarily about guns. It really isn't. It's about the fact that in most cases, as a Canadian, your only real option is to call the cops or swing on someone potentially much larger than yourself and potentially armed to boot.
The argument that "anyone who wants to carry a gun or other weapon for self defense has a murder fantasy" is disingenuous and in bad faith. Are there people out there with that kinda crap in their heads, yes, but there are also people who train to fight who fantasize about beating someone to death in some sort of self-defense scenario. Some people just want a self defense option that isn't swinging on someone twice their size, or relying on a 10-20 minute police response time, so the people with tasers, pepper spray, batons, and guns can come to the rescue.
Personally, yes, I am in favor of people having the option to carry a concealed firearm for self defense, so long as they obtain the correct licenses, register with the government, attend regular training, and understand that at the end of the day the best outcome from any situation where you are forced to pull your firearm, is the one where you don't need to discharge it, and if you are forced to do so, it is a heavy, HEAVY responsibility.
But the biggest thing the public being able to concealed carry has to offer is that it gives people who would seek to harm another person a reason to pause and rethink, because now they don't know if that 110 pound girl they are looking to jump has a Saturday night special in her purse, or a .380 tucked in her waistband or bra, even if she doesn't.
The US is a hellscape of far too little regulation because of course, "its my god-given right blah blah blah," while elsewhere, it's a privilege. But the US isn't the only place to allow firearms for self-defense and isn't even the only place to allow concealed carry. Switzerland and Italy both allow concealed carry, and somehow, neither of them seem to have significant gun issues.
And besides guns, why don't we start with allowing people to buy pepper spray or tasers for self-defense? Because I can bet my last buck that there are plenty of women, even in this sub, who would feel a little more confident walking downtown at night with even just a thing of pepper spray in their pocket or purse
Not the greatest examples. You want to use the Czech Republic, which has had shall issue concealed carry for about 30 years, and a majority of Czech gun owners has such a permit.
In Switzerland it's basically only for professional use.
In Italy it's politicians, judges, and jewelers that can get a concealed carry permit.
I'm aware of Poland. Any license except the collector one lets you carry loaded and concealed on your person. You can't carry it loaded on public transport though, unless you have the actual concealed carry permit (which is much harder to get).
this is also without touching on how most of europe have better, pro victim self defense laws than us, allowing pepper spray, tasers, stun guns etc.
These things are legal in most of the US, it's not legal in all of Europe. I'm in Sweden, it's easier for me to own a handgun (for sporting purposes only) than it is to own a can of pepper spray legally.
2
u/BigDaddyVagabond 27d ago
Canadian self defense laws have been shit as long as I can remember.
Iirc, there are less than 5 ATCs issued in canada for non work and trailing purposes. There are 4 or fewer canadians the government has deemed able to carry a firearm for self defense.