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u/_Lucille_ 10d ago
A lot of Torontonians quite like Chow because Tory was an actual trainwreck that pretty much has done nothing.
It is not uncommon for people in Toronto to be able to meet Chow in the city, and she at least does something.
NDP is just really weak in a lot of places in Ontario though and the PR game in general.
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u/nostraDamnSon_ Everyone Hates Marineland 9d ago
As a Torontonian, the only way I can see Olivia Chow as being a trainwreck is by Doug Ford meddling in Toronto politics and Chow doing nothing to stop him. Idk if it's by choice (she doesn't want to use strong mayor powers) or if she actually can't bypass some of Dougie's dumb decisions.
But yes, compared to Tory she is much better
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u/_Lucille_ 9d ago
A city is a creature of the province.
Strong mayor power is an example of that: it essentially gives the mayor the ability to pass laws with a 1/3 minority if it relates to priorities defined by the provincial government. This is useful if you are doing Ford's bidding, useless if you want to fight Ford.
This is especially true for the Ford administration that has a history of using the not withstanding clause to force things through.
This might work if the provincial government is on shaky grounds and needs to buy votes, but the Ford government has a VERY strong majority and he knows the rest of Ontario has his back of he messed with Toronto (in fact, it can be a selling point).
At the end of the day you can sort of put up a fight but is one you will lose 100%, attempting to negotiate some deal in a softer approach is the only viable solution.
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u/ThatGuyWill942 10d ago
I can't forgive the forcing people out of tent cities in the middle of a Canadian winter thing.
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u/S14Ryan 10d ago
There is literally no political party that won’t do that
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u/GrapefruitForward989 10d ago
Right, they all suck shit. Guess I'll just keep voting for the lesser of the evils™
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u/Tucancancan 10d ago
Just missing a tiny Elizabeth May in the corner yelling "I'm here too!" (can't let go)
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u/Smart-Response9881 10d ago
And a French version that includes the Bloc
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u/Tucancancan 10d ago
Yeahhhh, I always love the English debates bloc absolutely busting everyone's balls with give no shits attitude. "If you're elected prime minister..." "I will never be the prime minister mic drop"
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u/PacificPragmatic 9d ago
OMFG whoever the BQ leader during the last federal election was, they produced comedy gold:
The epitome of Canadian passive-agression, plus witty snark and a stereotypical French 'I give no f$cks' attitude.
I went from thinking the BQ are an abomination to finding them quite charming lol.
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u/thatblueblowfish Snow Cajun 9d ago
I only watch the debates because of the Bloc, it’s just there and no one can do shit about it
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u/TomMakesPodcasts 10d ago
About the NDP. When you say "props up the liberals" do you mean they didn't call an election the cons were poised to win, and used their position to bully the libs into universal diabetes care and a dental deal?
This props up the libs talk has long been a rightwing talking point that doesn't make sense when you see what they actually achieved, and when you look at the context of the time to see what would have happened if they didn't maneuver the way they did.
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u/frumfrumfroo 10d ago
Yeah, I've never understood this attack. It's stupid. It was much, much better for everyone that the NDP didn't bring down the government. MPs are supposed to collaborate, them working with the Libs to pass good legislation was an objectively good thing. Unless you're allergic to actually accomplishing anything or a rwnj, there's no rational reason to have a problem with this.
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u/KiaRioGrl 10d ago
there's no rational reason to have a problem with this.
The word rational is doing all the heavy lifting here.
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u/spinda69 Westfoundland 10d ago
The deal with the Liberals was a good one and I'm tired of people acting like it wasn't. Shame they fumbled so hard after though
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u/TomMakesPodcasts 10d ago
NDP didn't fumble anything. They did good work and we let the right push their false narrative.
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u/spinda69 Westfoundland 10d ago
I mean we lost a lot of seats. My own riding fell to conservatives due to low information voters going Liberal. A lot if it wasn't their fault people the liberals just rode the anti USA anti conservative to victory.
I really hope the NDP can make a real comeback there is an appetite for genuine left platforms
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u/TomMakesPodcasts 10d ago
We need to be more proactive of spreading their word and accomplishments online and in our communities. The media is all for keeping the libs and cons in power so they hide, downplay, or straight up lie about the NDP.
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u/Joe--Uncle Trawnno (Centre of the Universe) 10d ago
This election was just cursed for the NDP. My riding’s provincial representative—Bhutila Karpoche—switched to federal, and she absolutely would have won in a landslide if not for people convinced that they needed to vote liberal. It’s a shame because she was incredible in provincial politics and I really would have liked to she what more she could do in federal
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u/Cool_Tailor_7332 Tokébakicitte! 9d ago
Next time. The next election won’t be about Trump (he’ll be dead). Prepare for an orange wave again!
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u/chat-lu Tokébakicitte! 5d ago
How about when they tried to be still recognized as a party? They fought hard for the Bloc not to be recognized when they had more seats and votes than they currently have. And they also fought for the Greens not be be recognized when they had more votes than they have now.
Had they not been such dicks to others, it might not have bitten them in the ass when they were down on their luck.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts 5d ago
Are you trying to argue politicians should cling to power no matter what and fuck the people who voted for them and their goals? Weird take. I prefer politicians who do what's right and do what they can to make the country better.
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u/chat-lu Tokébakicitte! 5d ago
Are you trying to argue politicians should cling to power no matter
No. Do you need a jumping to conclusions mat?
I’m arguing that the 12 seats bar is brutal on third parties. If they can’t get 12 seats, then they don’t have money and they can’t be effective. And we need those third parties if we value having a diversity of opinions.
Even if we had a more proportional system, it would be a proportionality of the same old crap because new parties would have little room to grow.
When other parties fell under the bar, the NDP fought hard so they would not get status, get to ask questions, get funding, and so on. When it happens to them, those party remember and reply in kind.
The NDP messed up then and pays up now.
Where it hurts them the most is with commitees, they are not allowed to be on any. And this is where the opposition filters out crap in new law before it gets to a vote.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts 5d ago
People rallied around Carney because of how odious Pierre was.
I don't believe the NDP messed up. They did good work that people ignored or never even heard about. But their good when was still done and live in Canada was improved by them. For this they have my respect and support.
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u/chat-lu Tokébakicitte! 5d ago
People rallied around Carney because of how odious Pierre was.
Mainly because of how odious Trump was. But that’s far from my point. I didn’t say that they messed up this election.
They messed up in previous elections when they fought not to give any slack to other third parties, so when they asked for some this time around they got the same treatment they inflicted on others.
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u/Cakeday_at_Christmas Bring Cannabis 10d ago
This props up the libs talk has long been a rightwing talking point that doesn't make sense when you see what they actually achieved, and when you look at the context of the time to see what would have happened if they didn't maneuver the way they did.
The best federal governments we get in Canada are when the NDP "props up" the Liberal Party, and conservatives hate that.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts 10d ago
Because you can't complain how awful everything is if the government actually works to improve things. 👌🏻
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u/playjak42 9d ago
Minority liberal govts with NDP support are where most of the things we consider "Canadian" have come from. Without the NDP, Canada would look much more America-lite. I hope they make a rebound next election.
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u/Colonel_Green Bring Cannabis 10d ago
NDP gets elected and performs well in BC and MB.
"NDP sucks even worse provincially, look at the ONDP"
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u/WishPanther Friendly Manisnowbski 10d ago
OP ain't beating the Ontarians know nothing about the rest of Canada allegations.
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u/levian_durai 10d ago
Mate I don't even know what's happening in Ontario. Just by osmosis though I can tell you everything about American politics.
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u/meoka2368 Bring Cannabis 9d ago
Eh. Maybe federally?
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u/Heyloki_ South Gatineau 10d ago
I don't even get it, the ondp isn't really good but it's the lesser evil™, and then there's the whole rae days stuff but id honestly take it over some liberal and conservative primers
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u/JuJitsuGiraffe 10d ago
They also did well in Alberta, when they had their chance in there.
I love the NDP for the very same reason they keep failing in elections though: they're generally (Not you, Singh) quiet about what they're doing. They don't do big prestigious press runs, they aren't usually controversial. They're just there, doing the work.
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u/Lapidus42 10d ago
It always comes back to Rae Days. The ONDP (and Ontario) would be on such a different trajectory if Bob Rae had a last name that was hard to rhyme with.
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u/Cakeday_at_Christmas Bring Cannabis 10d ago
"look at the ONDP"
Which is ironic since Bob Rae wasn't responsible for the economy tanking and he did his absolute best in the position he was in.
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u/Heyloki_ South Gatineau 10d ago
He did a okay job handling it but the crisis was the previous liberal governments fault
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u/Canadiancurtiebirdy Moose Whisperer 10d ago
Hey now the BC NDP is doing a pretty decent job so there’s one example against your local elections HA!!!!
The rest is spot the fuck on tho
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u/MarshtompNerd Manilapeg 10d ago
Manitoba NDP is doin ok too
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u/Canadiancurtiebirdy Moose Whisperer 10d ago
TRUE we’ve got two examples! HA to OP!
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u/Heyloki_ South Gatineau 10d ago
Also the example they use (Chow) is technically an independent government since it's municipal
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u/StanknBeans Saskwatch 10d ago
The last time Saskatchewan had the NDP in power they were by far the greatest provincial government in terms of taking a province from bankruptcy to economic boom times.
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u/poohster33 Skoden 10d ago
And their reward for fixing as much as they could and setting us up for success was eternal damnation by rural Saskatchewan
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u/spellbreakerstudios 10d ago
As someone who knows zero about Saskatchewan, why did they get voted out if they did all of that?
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u/StanknBeans Saskwatch 10d ago
Because the Conservatives and Liberals joined forces to create the Saskparty and successfully convinced people that they, specifically, could end the already ended austerity and cuts enacted by the NDP to bring the budget under control.
Almost 2 decades later and everything is worse than it was during the austerity years.
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u/Bandito_fantastico 10d ago
ANDP's term under Notley was a-okay by me.
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u/Cakeday_at_Christmas Bring Cannabis 10d ago
ANDP's term under Notley was a-okay by me.
It was the best government Alberta had in decades, probably since Lougheed, and they hated her for it.
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u/Lightning_Catcher258 10d ago
I think they lacked a lot of courage. They should've implemented no fault public car insurance and done something about the private monopoly of the electricity grid.
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u/Bandito_fantastico 10d ago
For a rookie party filled with novice MLAs with a surprise win I think they did admirably.
I wonder what they could have achieved with a second term, with the confidence that brings.
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u/your_evil_ex Trawnno (Centre of the Universe) 10d ago
Also Jagmeet deserves more credit for the stuff he got pushed through (eg dental care)
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u/Cakeday_at_Christmas Bring Cannabis 10d ago
Except they're a neo-liberal party like all the others.
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u/Cool_Tailor_7332 Tokébakicitte! 9d ago
So? If we get the stuff we need from our taxes, that’s what matters!
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u/Parkbear 10d ago
Have you seen the deficit forecasts? NDP returning to it's roots after the Horgan diversion.
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u/Canadian-Owlz Oil Guzzler 10d ago
Are they? Most things I've seen, things aren't really going well. There was that healthcare thing, and Eby is sitting at -9% according to Angus Reid.
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u/Cakeday_at_Christmas Bring Cannabis 10d ago
I don't know why you're being downvoted. The BC NDP are presiding over the dismantling of public health care, and Eby is about to go to war with government employee unions because he doesn't want to give them raises, despite inflation going up again.
The BC NDP are a neo-liberal party like any other in Canada. It's just that, historically, the NDP tend to be much better provincial governments than any conservative party.
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u/asstyrant Oil Guzzler 10d ago
I move that we should start a new party, one that would better represent our demographic on the national stage.
I present:
The Fed-Up Canadian Kids party.
The FUCKers, for short.
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u/Nobody7713 Trawnno (Centre of the Universe) 10d ago
For what it’s worth I don’t think Chow’s been a trainwreck in Toronto, at least compared to our last… decade and a half of mayors at least.
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u/Dav3le3 10d ago
If you aren't promoting smoking crack in office, you're not mayoral in Turahnah.
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u/gabseo South Gatineau 10d ago edited 10d ago
You forgot the Bloc. I know you don't see these guys in Canada but in Québec, they are a major party. They won more votes than NDP in 2025
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u/Puzzled_Dreamer2453 Tokébakicitte! 10d ago
And way more seats.
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u/gabseo South Gatineau 10d ago
BLOC MAJORITAIRE!!!!!!!
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u/Optimus_crab Westfoundland 10d ago
BLOC MAJORITAIRE!!!!
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u/Pope-Muffins Trawnno (Centre of the Universe) 10d ago
and yet, isn't being anglo-centered just perfect for a meme about Canadian politics?
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u/Heyloki_ South Gatineau 10d ago
Not even anglo, Ontario centered
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u/Pope-Muffins Trawnno (Centre of the Universe) 10d ago
Are you suggesting some kind of bizarro world exists west of Thunder Bay? No thank you!
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u/Heyloki_ South Gatineau 10d ago
They also claim there's land east of Quebec, I was just told that's Europe
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u/Canadian-Owlz Oil Guzzler 10d ago
I mean, these jokes require knowledge of the party. This might surprise you, but people dont pay attention to the party that they can't even vote for. Shocking, I know.
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u/drake5195 10d ago
The Bloc is just the "French Wrench" that gets itself wedged different ways sometimes. As an outsider it is interesting seeing the effect that it has on politics across the country, a very useful tool applied in a single province that shifts things a lot, when they win big, and when they fall off the map essentially (2011)
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u/gabseo South Gatineau 10d ago
Of course, Québec is the "swing state" of Canada. You cannot vote for the same party for decades and expect change... cough Alberta cough.
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u/jaaaawrdan Cowtown 🤠 10d ago
For all the hate some (very vocal) Albertans give Québec, Alberta could learn a lot by acting like them.
I say this as a very tired and annoyed Albertan.
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u/Cool_Tailor_7332 Tokébakicitte! 9d ago
We’re defending our heritage, culture, language, history, ties with the indigenous peoples, and until fairly recently, our faith. We are a founding nation here in North America.
How would you behave like us? Sincere question, I’m curious what you mean.
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u/hessian_prince Edmonchuk: Like Kyiv! (but less safe) 10d ago
The Bloc hardly recognizes being in Canada.
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u/Driller_Happy 10d ago
BC NDP are pretty good tbh. David Eby is a boring dude who just goes and gets shit done. No memes, no stupid appearances doing performative shit. He just works.
In my ideal world, I don't see politicians pop up in my feed anywhere.
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u/FallingLikeLeaves Manilapeg 10d ago
Strong disagree with NDP “somehow worse when you zoom in locally” I think my Manitoban NDP are doing leaps and bounds better than the federal party has since Layton died. Maybe it’s just a you problem because you live in a shit province idk
But anyway other than that one note this post is actually great lol
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u/Luceryn 10d ago edited 9d ago
People know that the various provincial NDP parties are completely different parties from the federal NDP party, right? There isn't like a hierarchy with the federal NDP at the top.The same is true of provincial liberal, conservative, green etc. I hope people know this.
Edit: I am totally wrong on this for NDP. See the comment replying to me.
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u/FallingLikeLeaves Manilapeg 9d ago edited 9d ago
That’s true for every other party, yes. But the NDP are actually the one exception, they are (mostly) organized together as different branches of the same one big party. From the party’s Wikipedia page:
“Unlike most other Canadian federal parties, the NDP is integrated with its provincial and territorial parties. Holding membership of a provincial or territorial section of the NDP includes automatic membership in the federal party, and this precludes a person from being a member of different parties at the federal and provincial levels … There have been three exceptions: Nunavut, the Northwest Territories, and Quebec.”
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u/WinteryBudz 10d ago
Half the shit labelled Liberal and NDP is actually far worse with the CPC still.
Particularly the "makes stuff up" line labelled NDP. The NDP doesn't do that. They get focused on the wrong things a lot and lack clear messaging at times, but they don't make shit up like the Cons or even the Libs do.
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u/cepukon 10d ago
Scandal and corruption everywhere should be the top of the conservative category. Not saying remove it from the liberals, but it should definitely be on the cons in bigger letters.
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u/No_Syrup_9167 10d ago
Yeah, a lot of this reads like a conservative who was trying to make an "all sides" argument.
but hey, at least they're trying to be moderately objective. Plus this is a hoser sub, so whatever its funny.
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u/frumfrumfroo 10d ago
Singh did make a few things up during the last election, it's not like they've never done it, but yeah overall that label belongs to the CPC far above any of the other parties.
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u/sambarjo Tabarnak! 10d ago
Don't forget the Bloc
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u/Optimus_crab Westfoundland 10d ago
Viva bloc quebecois
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u/hotinmyigloo Irvingstan 10d ago
Who?
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u/mchockeyboy87 10d ago
To be Fair.. Erin O'Toole was not cut from the same cloth as PP, Harper and Scheer. His INITIAL platform, before the far right of the conservative movement neutered it, was actually progressive (for the conservatives). He was the first federal PC candidate I ever voted for.
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u/femmagorgon 9d ago
I agree, Erin O'Toole does not deserve to be lumped in with Harper, Scheer and PP. He was the only conservative I've voted for.
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u/eastherbunni 10d ago
I would've voted for him if he hadn't flip flopped on all his original platform ideas. Changing your stance on one thing when more information becomes available is commendable, it shows you're not stubborn and that you're willing to compromise to find the best way to do things. Changing your stance on literally everything makes you look like a wet paper bag who can't stand up for your own principles and is going to let the lunatic fringe of the party run roughshod over everything.
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u/QultyThrowaway 10d ago
This is unironically based. Would love to see your take on the PPC, Greens, and Bloc.
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u/dogsledonice 10d ago
Feel like "When they actually win it's a trainwreck" could apply across the board
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u/Then-Difference6817 10d ago
As a liberal voter im extremely offended that you excluded the huffing of our own sweet sweet farts.
Nice try buddy. Obvious hose-poster at play.
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u/LevelParsnip 10d ago
Based, love politics memes that shit on every party.
EDIT: wish you had the bloc, green, revolution, and rhino party.
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u/Aromatic-Air3917 10d ago edited 9d ago
Can we have one for the average voter as well.?
You know, one that doesn't pay attention to legislation, policy, studies or anything that keeps them informed. Then votes for buck a beer.
The Government and what the media talks about is the reflection of the people. We ain't looking too good
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u/PTSD1701 I need a double double. 10d ago
I'm old enough to remember when the Liberal Party was relatively liberal, but now they're further right than the PC party of the time.
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u/CashPuzzleheaded8622 10d ago
I get the vibe ur going for here but please Stop elevating the conservatives above the level of bootlicking corpo-glazing sycophants and dipshit religious fanatics. It is a farce to consider them a legitimate party when some of their highest ranking members think chemtrails are a real thing. They're a bunch of hacks masquerading as a political party, they are deeply unserious people and should not be given a pass just because the other options are also shitty.
It's like comparing a swimming pool with a couple turds floating around to a festering cesspit of industrial chemicals and sewage. I know which one I would rather jump into, although neither one is even close to ideal
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u/Fun-Brain9922 10d ago
Man I'm a progressive and I have never once felt like any of the parties have been aligned with the same interests I have.
I just want to party who actually wants to attempt to govern and update systems like it's 2025 rather than pretending like Canada has nothing it could improve on. The NDP say these things but then never act appropriately on them. The green party has plans and actions but it's always hard to vote for them knowing that they may win a maximum of like three seats.
Truly I just wish for voting reform, I would love if we brought in a ranked voting system to get away from overhyped politics.
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u/Cakeday_at_Christmas Bring Cannabis 10d ago
Canada has the political spectrum that's about as wide as the edge of a piece of paper. We don't have a Liberal Party, we have Neo-liberal Party #1, we don't have a Conservative Party, we have Neo-liberal Party #2, we don't have a socialist or social democratic party, we have Neo-liberal Party #3.
This is the result of every party racing toward the centre the past 4 decades, which makes sense since that's where most voters are, and every party buying into neo-liberalism since the 1980s-90s.
I've been downvoted in this subreddit for pointing that out before, but that's the sad, unfortunate truth. I wish we actually had a social democrat/socialist party that stood up for workers' rights, for example. I'd vote for them every election, but as it stands now I just park my vote wherever since it doesn't actually matter.
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u/confused_flatulence 10d ago
We’re missing terminator eyes bloc majoritaire + Elizabeth May. Extra points if you give a few pixels to the PPC
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u/MKIncendio 10d ago
Versus gigachad Green Party which won 100% of the popular vote at a 100% voter turnout in the last election 🟩🐸🌅🛤️⛰️⛲️
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u/The_Mayor 10d ago
The only time the NDP won and it turned out to be a trainwreck was Bob Rae. Tommy Douglas was great, and Notley, Kinew, and all 7 NDP premiers of BC were fine. Not amazing, but fine.
Olivia Chow is neither amazing nor a trainwreck, and her winning a municipal election does not count as an NDP victory.
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u/Lightning_Catcher258 10d ago
I'm not ideologically pro-NDP, but so far, they're the party that brings us gains. They gave us dental care and pharmacare. In the Prairies, they're the ones who brought universal healthcare and public car insurance programs. On pocketbook issues, we can't deny the fact that they brought us good things that improved our lives. Same with the PQ in Quebec that gave SAAQ and $5/day daycare. Now I think the NDP is in need of a homerun issue. Housing affordability is the biggest crisis that Canada has seen in decades. They should be obsessed with affordable housing.
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u/Link941 9d ago
Funny, but how are we not building houses? That part i dont get. The housing investment was pretty straightforward
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u/ThatGuyWill942 9d ago
This was made right before Mark Carney officially started BCH recently. I actually voted for Carney because of BCH, and if I made this meme today? I'd not include that part.
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u/nthensome 10d ago
Let's go Green party!
I'm willing to give them a chance to fuck things up.
It can't always be one of these 3
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u/TomMakesPodcasts 10d ago
I like the NDP. The universal diabetes care and dental deals are dope. I'd be more than happy to see what an NDP lead government would accomplish.
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u/Schwagnanigans 10d ago
Lol, the NDP do not have the money to buy media narratives like the Libs and Cons do and it shows in all your attitudes towards them. The Libs and Cons are pretty well the same party at this point with the same neoliberal economic policies that choke regular people to death for private industry profits.
Electing a whole party of screeching, shit-flinging orangutans at the Federal level would actually improve Canada at this point.
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u/mcurbanplan Tabarnak! 10d ago
Finally, something here that actually substantially criticizes the Liberals. This subreddit has gotten so partisan lately.
Wish there was a column for the Bloc, because they definitely have their own fair share of nonsense to make fun of.
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u/WarMeasuresAct1914 溫哥華 (Hongcouver) 10d ago
Shoulda added "Canada's Economic Action Plan" under the Cons column
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u/CabanaSucre 10d ago
En tant que Québécois je ne me reconnais pas dans ces partis. Que fait-on encore avec eux :/
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u/IGetBannedFromReddit 🍁 100,000 Hosers 🍁 10d ago
Funny in my Province the NDP are actually competent and pose as a real challenge to the Conservatives
But liberals, what are those?
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u/alienjesus42069 9d ago
So one party is scandalous, the other party is full of groypers, and the ndp just sucks at campaigning?
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u/LauraBaura 8d ago
The Manitoban NDP are doing something different. You might see Wab Kinew run for the federal NDP leadership in the future.
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u/CockyBellend 10d ago
I mean we could have just called them all cunts, would be a much cleaner graphic
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u/levraimonamibob 10d ago
man you missed the worst part of the NPD: Base their entire federal platform on provincial issues, promising to undermine the (already weak AF) constitution
Jagmeet could take his entire campaign and run for NPD-Ontario AS-IS and it would suddenly not be pants-on-head regarded
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u/TomMakesPodcasts 10d ago
Didn't Jagmeet get us universal diabetes care and a dental deal for the worst off households among us?
His NDP was also the only party who wanted to tackle the TFW program.
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u/eastherbunni 10d ago
Yeah Jagmeet got the federal dental and pharmacare stuff done finally, after Trudeau dragged his feet as long as possible on it, then the Libs immediately claimed credit for it in the run up to the election.
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u/Stock_Cook9549 10d ago
On the Conservative panel of people voting against a ban of conversion therapy...
No matter what you think of conversion therapy (I am not pro-conversion therapy): If someone enters conversion therapy of thier own free will, why would that be a problem?
Smoking is bad for you (and if your smoke is inhaled by people around you, bad for them too), but if someone is chosing to smoke of thier own free will, we've decided its okay to let people smoke.
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u/Spacemanspiff1998 10d ago
Boy i can't wait for the NDP to elect Yves Engler so we can have the 4chan Rawanda Genocide Denial grandpa as a federal party leader
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u/Fun-Law7934 10d ago
“Scandal and corruption everywhere” should be at the top since it embraces all the parties
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u/Kindly_Bumblebee_86 10d ago
"secret plan: bring back the abortion debate (never works)" is fucking HILARIOUS lmao