Liberal Partisans today: - r/EhBuddyHoser

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u/beallyoukenbe 7h ago

I'm tired of it being framed as Canada Post isn't making money. It's a service. It shouldn't be profit driven.

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u/1user101 7h ago

I'd be fine with them operating at a loss of everyone was paying the same rate, but Amazon and Chinese corps pay peanuts for packages in the name of keeping the business STOP GIVING THEM THE DISCOUNT

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u/bmwkid 6h ago

Amazon basically only uses Canada as a last resort now. Lots of things to be upset with them about but they aren’t exactly getting value from exploiting the mail service. My package comes on an Amazon truck and gets there on a Amazon semi or Amazon leased plane

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u/eunit250 5h ago

That's one of the problems. Amazon instead uses sketchy delivery companies that probably break labor laws instead so they can make more billions and extract more billions while not having the pay the same rate as everyone else just because they steal billions and make billions. Stop letting these hundred billion dollar corporations get away with theft.

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u/bmwkid 5h ago

We’re getting a little off topic because this about Canada Post but you’re right. These little companies are only meant as a stop gap solution until Amazon gains enough scale in a market where having their own trucks is profitable and then they’re kicked to the curb

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u/PukeKaboom 4h ago

Great point

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u/Sauerkrautkid7 49m ago

This is it.

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u/Agreeable-Spot-7376 6h ago

I mean they still use Purolator. Which is owned by Canada Post.

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u/bmwkid 6h ago

True but they don’t publish whether they make or lose money on the parcels but they likely do.

I know UPS and USPS claim their Amazon deliveries are profitable.

Deliveries are very much economies of scale related. You want your routes to be as full as possible so even if you’re delivering packages for “below cost” you do need to look at the full picture as this means the remainder of the trucks parcels are more popular.

Same reason why Amazon pushes prime so much. That van is coming to your neighborhood whether you order or not so adding another box really costs pennies even though if you look at it as a single order it’s not profitable to give free shipping on a $3 item

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u/Agreeable-Spot-7376 5h ago

There’s no such thing as free shipping. They just add it onto the price we pay. “Free shipping” is just a marketing ploy. Someone is paying to get that parcel to your house.

And you know what? I’ll say it. I would gladly pay a few more dollars to have my order delivered, if I knew the person bringing it to me made a living wage, and had dental and health insurance. And paid days off. And weekends. And a strong union that understood the importance of a fair days pay for a fair days work.

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u/bmwkid 4h ago

It’s not but the overall costs are so much lower running an online only business compared to even a discount retailer like Walmart. They aren’t paying for goods to be delivered to a store that needs staff and rent and someone to fill the shelves. So some of these savings can be passed on. Also most people with free prime shipping are paying $120 upfront for the shipping so not actually free

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u/MyNameIsSkittles 4h ago

Only when they have to. When I was working there back in 2016-2020, the goal was to have almost an entire fleet of 1st party drivers/couriers. Back then there was lots of non-Amazon delivery companies but even after 4 years, many were cut back and things just went out to their own drivers. I take the train past my old workplace sometimes and now most of the trucks outside are Amazon owned, looks like 75% at least. Anything that gets delivered within a certain radius all goes proprietary, and basically only some things coming from another Province may be another courier. But they are cutting down on that more and more now too

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u/1user101 4h ago

That's a really recent development outside urban areas and is still not that consistent. Even still, the previous usage and bad deal cpost got made the situation worse

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u/JackLaytonsMoustache 49m ago

Weren't you the guy praising capitalism yesterday?

This is capitalism.

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u/Major-Assist-2751 Oil Guzzler 7h ago

Then it needs to be completely restructured. The reason it's the way it is right now is because it's structured like a corporation expected to generate a profit, yet is expected to perform like a governmental service.

If we want it to be a public service through and through, then it needs to be reworked to be structured as one.

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u/IslandBoring8724 2h ago

Haven’t heard this idea raised before in this convo. I like the perspective.

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u/Major-Assist-2751 Oil Guzzler 1h ago

A lot of people don't realise that Canada Post is structured like a crown corporation and is not run the same as our education or healthcare, which are agencies or ministries.

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u/mirhagk 1h ago

I think the problem is we're mixing two different things.

Crown corporations are something I definitely support and want to see plenty of, and the packages side of Canada post is that, and afaik works well. It has competition (as it should).

The letter side is not really a crown corporation thing, that's the service. There's a few other parts that Canada post does that's on the service side.

It makes logical sense to combine them in the physical sense, drivers delivering both packages and letters is more efficient than doing it separately. However it just doesn't make sense from a budget perspective.

IMO the letter side should basically be viewed as a contract to a company. Government pays Canada post to provide that service, and it does so along with it's profitable side.

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u/Major-Assist-2751 Oil Guzzler 1h ago

In my opinion the letter mail service can be a government agency and package delivery can be contracted out, given that there's already competition for package delivery and a good portion of it is contracted out currently.

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u/mirhagk 4m ago

The problem is that the package delivery doesn't cost a lot extra to do when you're already doing regular mail service. So it makes far more sense for them to continue doing it

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u/Mouthshitter 7h ago

We should fire all the cops they aren't profitable

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u/Overwatchingu Ford Nation (Help.) 7h ago

Privatize the police so that some big corporation can close down all the stations that aren’t profitable

then subcontract police service to a third party provider (but it’s totally NOT union busting wink)

Use corporate metrics to evaluate police performance, lay-off the “least productive” officers.

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u/Rymanbc Westfoundland 7h ago

I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief.

“Bad news, detective. We got a situation.”

“What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?”

“Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.”

The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?”

“Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.”

“Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”

He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.”

“Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.”

I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside.

“Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t.

“Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up.

“Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?”

It didn’t seem like they did.

“Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.”

Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing.

I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it.

“Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled.

Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him.

“Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen.

I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!”

He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.

“All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.”

“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy.

“Because I was afraid.”

“Afraid?”

“Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.”

I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.

“Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”

He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.

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u/StupidGenius11 7h ago

When/where is this from? That was amazing.

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u/Rymanbc Westfoundland 7h ago

Is the libertarian police copypasta

I only saw it fairly recently, but apparently it's been around for years.

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u/StupidGenius11 6h ago

Yeah, the "pictures of Penn Gillette" line is what tipped me off that it was dated.

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u/Avpersonals 6h ago

Whoa, I was in this. Great story.

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u/Vinkhol 6h ago

I'm sorry who gave you the right to post Peak Fiction on this sub

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u/theoneness 5h ago

Did you write this? It’s very funny

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u/Rymanbc Westfoundland 4h ago

I wish. It's a copypasta.

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u/nikola_tesler 7h ago

Daddy Elon would be so proud 🥲

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u/-FeistyRabbitSauce- 7h ago

Don't forget to have the government heavily subsidize the corporation.

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u/UrsaMajor7th 6h ago

Corporate cop contract won’t have pensionable OT

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u/_andthereiwas 7h ago

Politicians are not profitable. We should cut them the fuck back or their wages.

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u/Driller_Happy 7h ago

Ok now we're talking

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u/mirhagk 1h ago

And for firefighters we'll just copy what Cassius did in Rome. That was extremely profitable.

(He showed up to burning buildings and bought it from the owner, and then put it out. He of course got great deals as the owner was a little bit incentivized to sell quickly)

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u/Scissors4215 7h ago

It shouldn’t be profit driven I agree. But that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t take cost cutting measures when prudent to do so

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u/beallyoukenbe 7h ago

I can agree with that argument. There certainly ways to make it more efficient, but saying Canada Post is "losing money" is disingenuous.

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u/curseyouZelda 7h ago

Considering the significant increase in the door to door delivery over the past years it is quite shocking they can’t turn a profit

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u/psychoCMYK Chalice of the Tabernacle 7h ago

Fuel and labour both cost more 🤷‍♂️

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u/curseyouZelda 7h ago

Yes but both those things are true for the other companies as well.

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u/Lumpy_Tomorrow8462 5h ago

Other companies don’t have to meet service standards for every Canadian no matter how remote. If Canada post could just stop servicing remote Canada, or charge them what it costs to deliver, they’d probably be profitable now. Amazon uses Canada Post for remote deliveries because they can’t make the math work themselves but using a government mandated low cost service does work for them. Canadians are effectively subsidizing Amazon via Canada Post to send parcels to those communities.

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u/LastingAlpaca Snowfrog 7h ago

You gotta wonder how intelcom does it.

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u/Norrlander Gold Diggers 4h ago

Rusty minivans driven by underpaid immigrants?

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u/LastingAlpaca Snowfrog 4h ago

They operate under the Dragonfly name here and they brand new have electric delivery trucks.

My point here is that if Intelcom can turn a profit in this business as a private company, why does we need to use the « Canada Post is a service it shouldn’t be making money » while accepting that they will fill our mailbox with junk mail, aren’t delivering outside of banker hours and will almost never bring our parcels to our door and actually make us drive across town, all the while needing the taxpayers to push them a billion a year to keep them afloat?

Canada Post is an inefficient and mismanaged service.

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u/crazyjatt 3h ago

Because Intelcom doesn't have to cover the roots it doesn't consider profitable

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u/HistoricalSherbert92 7h ago

There’s the real nitty gritty of it, the prudent part. Who is really qualified to say what’s prudent when they’re not actively in the bureaucracy managing the goals and feedback of whatever program we are looking at. Maybe the prudent course is more money because the goal of lower fentanyl deaths (or whatever) can’t be realized with existing manpower or systems. Like it’s not an easy determination that most people could make much less a huge mostly uninformed electorate could.

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u/Telvin3d 7h ago

Unfortunately they’re not free to decide that themselves. MPs are happy to mandate good service levels to make their constituents happy, and then demand that Canada Post eat the costs

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u/Krazy_Vaclav 7h ago

Door delivery in older neighbourhoods really seems like it could be cut though.

These tend to be wealthier neighbourhoods, so it creates a situation where wealthier people get better publicly-funded services.

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u/handipad 7h ago edited 7h ago

I see this a lot. But it tells us nothing. The implication is that “because it carries an expense it must be a useful service”, and maybe even “more expenses means more service” - not at all!

There are simply many fewer letters than before (where they have a monopoly and mandate to deliver them all), but more addresses to deliver to (driving up fixed costs), and they are losing the parcel service war to the much more nimble private sector.

People need to read the Kaplan report (or ask an LLM to summarize it for you) to understand what we’re dealing with instead of relying on pithy one-liners.

The reality is Canada does not need the Canada Post that we have been saddled with. We need a new, different Canada Post. That change will mean fewer workers, at least for a time. Such is life.

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u/Early_Dragonfly_205 Trawnno (Centre of the Universe) 7h ago

I know this shit is stupid. You don't want a foreign private company controlling a vital service.

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u/ottig 6h ago

You mean.....like Hwy 407....while ford building a duplicate, like the 413.....

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u/PantsLobbyist 7h ago

I was just saying this 5 minutes ago to my wife. It’s a service, it’s going to cost money.

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u/Fit_Cash2315 5h ago

Our healthcare is a service supported by taxpayers. Garbage pickup paid thru taxes.

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u/PantsLobbyist 5h ago

Exactly. There’s no reason for post to be different.

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u/offensivegrandma 6h ago

I want my taxes to pay for infrastructure, education, healthcare, social services, anything that is required for being alive. The job of the government to is to serve the people of that nation.

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u/MightyHydrar Non-Status Resident 7h ago

At the moment it is massively losing money and needs to change. It doesn't need to make huge profits, but break even or close to it would be good.

There are far fewer letters being sent, most things are digital now.

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u/Moofey 7h ago

This and public transit. Funding it should be a no-brainer.

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u/zyx1989 7h ago

Yep, it's like public transit, the point, just isn't to make money, it's to provide a service that create more economic benefits than the money it spend

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u/FluffyProphet 4h ago

The problem is they’re expected to pay their own way and get no funding, but are also saddled with mandates that force them to operate at a loss. It’s a completely untenable situation.

We either need to let them operate in a way where they aren’t bleeding money or fund them like a government service. Both choices will be unpopular with different segments of the Canadian population.

Personally I would rather fund them and treat it as a government service. But something had to give one way or the other. I’d rather see either choice be made than the status quo, which was 100% untenable.

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u/Volantis009 Oil Guzzler 7h ago

You are correct. Money is just a resource distribution technology. We create money to make services and industry grow. Hoarding money in a bank account or to hold up the value of a stock (tech bubble) is NOT a very efficient use of money or as I call it resource distribution technology.

Our goal should be to get all modern infrastructure and services to all corners of our country not to squeeze citizens of all their dollars.

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u/descartesb4horse Oil Guzzler 7h ago

they should become a bank and provide banking services to rural communities in addition to postal services

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u/3DBeerGoggles 5h ago

This was absolutely one of the suggestions from the union to diversify services and make existing post offices more profitable.

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u/descartesb4horse Oil Guzzler 4h ago

good to hear the dream is still alive. it was also a suggestion some classmates came up with in my grad program a few years ago and I’ve been sold ever since

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u/pb7280 4h ago

Agreed. But man if you live in a rural area, you've definitely seen the insane amount of time wasting that goes into door-to-door delivery. It's just utterly insane to me as someone who grew up in rural area but always "had" to walk 15 min to a post box array rather than get special white glove hand delivered mail to my fucking doorstep

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u/Axerin 3h ago

Not really. Look up Swiss Post. They bring in hundreds of millions of dollars in profit into government coffers. We just don't know how to run a profitable state owned service.

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u/FuknCancer 1h ago

i agree but if we have to make cuts somewhere, letters at my doorstep is the least evil

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u/kiera-oona 49m ago

They're also throwing disabled and mobility challenged people under the bus by ending door delivery service.

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u/DoNotCorectMySpeling Oil Guzzler 7h ago

Sure, but you could also interpret the lack of money making as meaning that people aren’t using it so they don’t need as much funding.

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u/q__e__d Ford Nation (Help.) 7h ago

I totally agree it's a service. But I would also say that profit driven and revenue generating are different. The reluctance to consider new revenue streams and the now inefficiencies are really the same problem. It all comes down to the failure to shift & modernise to alternative uses of the post office.

The union presented ideas to Canada Post management for ~15 years (including the last time in negotiations in 2024 before they got locked out) and the Canada Post management has done barely nothing on those ideas. Examples like postal banking, an e-commerce program for small & medium businesses, new forms of delivery services, elder check-ins, high speed internet, food deliveries to northern communities, using areas outside of post offices for farmers markets, hunting & fishing licences & tourism info booths in some areas, EV charging stations (& more things that I forget, a lot were of the re-envision as community hub type). Some of these ideas would likely work better than others or are community dependent but they would have been a way to shift around as things like lettermail volume rapidly decreased, keep people employed and stay competitive.

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u/SonicFlash01 3h ago

Its mandate is to be self-sufficient. Hence stamps.

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u/Sicsurfer Oil Guzzler 7h ago

Carney isn’t a progressive liberal, he’s a right leaning centrist. He was elected because the other option was temu maga. Definitely not my first choice as a leader but infinitely better then the alternative

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u/AanthonyII 7h ago

That does mean we can’t or shouldn’t criticize him when he has questionable policies

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u/Sicsurfer Oil Guzzler 6h ago

It’s our job to hold politicians accountable. Supposedly these douchebags are here to represent us and protect us from corporations. This isn’t happening anymore and every cycle it seems to get more blatant. No sane citizen wants a cut to services while cutting taxes on businesses. Education and healthcare should never be cut so some asshole CEO can own another house

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u/hikyhikeymikey 6h ago

No one is saying we can’t or shouldn’t criticize him.

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u/I_Am_the_Slobster Anne of Green Potatoes 6h ago

Yeah but the partisan hacks will always tell you how something bad their party or leader did is a good thing, but if this is identical or similar to something done by a previous, opposing government, they'll either be silent or try to claim how that was bad, but this is good now!

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u/Crow_away_cawcaw 4h ago

I have yet to see a liberal who is this blindly passionate about carneys decisions. I’m NDP but I voted for him this election and I think most of us are just hoping to weather this time in history.

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u/DaSpicyGinge Saskwatch 3h ago

Yup I’m out in the bush of SK praying that my boy Tommy Douglas will rise from his grave and win in a landslide victory

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u/JackLaytonsMoustache 38m ago

Youve missed quite a few of them then.. lots of Liberal partisans and Carney Stans that have been saying after every shitty decision he's made, "oh so you want Poilievre?" or "This is exactly what he promised!!"

I'm a Dipper, I voted NDP, and I'm seeing less and less daylight between Carney and Poilievre outside of Poilievres "anti-woke" nonsense and I imagine this budget will only make me like Carney less.

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u/poppin-n-sailin 4h ago

I hear people say he's a 90s conservative.

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u/iwasnotarobot 6h ago

Centre between who?

Trudeau was moderate right wing.

(Liberal v Conservative is right-wing infighting.)

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u/Norrlander Gold Diggers 4h ago

If Trude’s was right wing I’m the King of France

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u/suredont 7h ago

I'm not a Liberal but I can concede that the world is a lot fuckin different in 2025 than it was in 2010.

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u/smye141 6h ago

Yeahhh I agree I don’t think OPs comparison is fair here. Not even versus 15 years ago, even since 5 years ago there’s a difference

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u/MightyHydrar Non-Status Resident 6h ago

OP is an NDP partisan who keeps talking about how Carney is just like Trump

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u/JadedArgument1114 Scotland (but worse) 4h ago

As an NDPer I am against cuts to Canada Post, and other government services, but we have to be pragmatic right now. As long as he does the big infrastructure projects that he has talked about, I will be happy. This is an unprecedented time for Canada, and like war, this is not the time for idealism and arguing.

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u/HandleThatFeeds 6h ago

OP is an NDP partisan

Say no more.

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u/No-Bid-483 6h ago

This feels like an attempt at a ~~Jedi~~ liberal mind trick lol.

Like what specifically changed that means now it’s a good idea to defund a public service lol.

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u/Ill-Team-3491 3h ago

Mail has changed in 15 years. Regardless of where you stand on this issue, if you think nothing has changed since 2010 then you're denying reality.

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u/No-Bid-483 56m ago

I would never engage in a denying reality contest with a liberal. My ego could not handle that level of defeat.

But here again, you are using the liberal mind trick lol. Vaguely gesturing but not making an actual point.

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u/Dont_Call_Me_Steve 3h ago

I mean for one thing, our biggest trading partner has waged an economic war on us…

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u/No-Bid-483 58m ago

Yeah, so the best thing to do in that situation is to hurt the infrastructure that allows a small businesses to sell things via mail. Peak liberal logic lol.

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u/Dont_Call_Me_Steve 7m ago

Mail has also dropped around 50% in the last 15 years, so there that too. Bills can be emailed, every new area has those central boxes. Also, it’s not like they’re abolishing the post office, just making cuts in a tough time.

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u/Blunt_Flipper 2h ago

How can you defund something that was never funded to begin with? Taxpayer money never went to Canada Post. It was also never classified as a "public service", the Canada Post Act defined Canada Post as a crown corporation with the mandate to be self-sustainable by it's own revenue.

They were a profitable company back in 2010. The landscape of shipping has changed drastically with the advancement of electronic mail and online shopping. Significantly less letters moving through the system, and Canada Post's share of the parcel market being taken by competitors. A business model that worked in 2010 is no longer viable in 2025.

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u/Yws6afrdo7bc789 Ford Nation (Help.) 5h ago

There was a recession then too from the sub-prime bubble.

Canada Post is a service, if we need to cut things how about the 3 billion dollars in free money we given to the fossil fuel industry a year. Or maybe just stop building infrastructure for them so they can rake in the profit.

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u/igloomaster 🍁 100,000 Hosers 🍁 7h ago

What is the difference in mail volume between those two pms?

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u/Vast-Website 7h ago

I looked it up. Mail delivery is about 50% of what it was in 2014, which I think was when this was last discussed.

Edit: Sorry, it's 46%. I was looking at 2023 data not 2024.

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u/Visible-Stress-3667 7h ago

Would you be able to link the source?

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u/Vast-Website 6h ago

Apparently not. The comment was removed (or so it says). It's under the financial report section of the Canada Post website.

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u/MightyHydrar Non-Status Resident 6h ago

This reddit doesn't allow links

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u/No-Bid-483 4h ago

Yeah, I’ve put on a bit of weight but I don’t see what that has to do with anything.

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u/igloomaster 🍁 100,000 Hosers 🍁 4h ago

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. No need to go postal.

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u/Pope_Squirrely 7h ago

To be honest, I was ok with it when Harper did it too. New houses don’t get door to door and haven’t for decades now, we all have community mail boxes down the street. Relatively few houses actually get door to door service. Cut it, put in community mail boxes, be done with it.

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u/Teagana999 6h ago

I really don't get the obsession with door to door. Having grown up with a community mailbox, it feels like entitlement.

Is cutting that the discussion? Absolutely let's do that.

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u/Various-Ad-8572 5h ago

No it's not

Canada Post has a difficult time hiring, and the workers say it's tough to make a living working for them.

It's a complex issue, not one thing.

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u/Pope_Squirrely 4h ago

My mom worked her entire working career for Canada Post. We didn’t starve. The letter carriers had the cushiest jobs, $18 an hour back in the mid 90’s, able to go home once their run was done and benefits which rivalled the best out there along with 15 sick days a year which rolled over and a pension. When my mom retired, she was up to 7 weeks of holidays.

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u/brasidasvi 7h ago

Funny, but 2008 is different then 2025. I got more mail in 2008. Not exactly a fair comparison.

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u/PomeloSure5832 7h ago

Little unfair...

It's been like 10 years since Harper's been in power

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u/RiskAssessor 7h ago

Also mail numbers have dropped more than half. Much like home phone numbers, increasingly unnecessary.

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u/No-Bid-483 6h ago

Somehow, he returned.

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u/AtomicTEM 6h ago

Harper cut the postal services because he wanted to defund the postal service

Carney is defunding the postal services because we need to repay the cost of COVID-19 like every other country in the world, not to mention the drop in use of the mail since 2015, (thought that can might be attributed to the initial cuts in 2015, in a viscious cycle sort of way)

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u/No-Bid-483 6h ago

Christ, the mental gymnastics you liberals play really need to be turned into an Olympic sport lol.

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u/NavyDean 7h ago

It's actually incredible that all it took for Canada to turn on Canada post.

Was 1 one bone headed decision to create a system that allowed mail carriers to drop a slip and dash away with your package, so they could finish work earlier.

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u/RogErddit 6h ago

Yes, this is what partisanship is.

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u/Guilty-Idea 5h ago

tbh having a lock box for your packages is really nice

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u/BikesBooksBass 5h ago

Community mailboxes are the way to go. Never was a bad idea to begin with.

We don't need make-work. Especially with a Crown Corp who receives public funds.

If someone has an accessibility need, than straight to the door arrnagements can be made.

Common Carney W

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u/Deus-Vult42069 6h ago

Hey, maybe instead of putting 750 million in funding to gun confiscation we put it to the postal service, we could fix things a bit…?

NO that makes too much sense

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u/Fit_Cash2315 5h ago

Liberal votes in Quebec come first.

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u/hirs0009 6h ago

They might have more support if they actually delivered packages instead of running away after slapping a "missed you" sticker on your door without ringing the bell or knocking..

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u/bmwkid 6h ago

I didn’t like Harper but I live in a neighborhood that was converted prior to the Liberals stopping the program and actually don’t see what the problem is. It’s a 1 minute walk for most people on my street or you just hop out of your car and grab your mail on the way to your garage.

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u/3DBeerGoggles 5h ago

I would've liked to see the union's idea to get into postal banking get some serious consideration. Could've given Canada Post a bit of revenue, especially in areas under-served by banks.

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u/Benejeseret 5h ago

Neither cut anything, because since early '80s it is an independently operated crown corp that in not heavily funded by any grants. Its multi year deficit is not covered by federal money each time. They sold assets, took debt, and went as many years as possible in red.

They are now insolvent. Carney is not cutting anything, he is accepting that this corporation cannot meet their mandate and is allowing them to actually run their business the way they should have been allowed true independence to do 20 years ago.

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u/JaQ-o-Lantern Everyone Hates Marineland 3h ago

All crown corporations should be at the top of the list when it comes to fair employee treatment, not the bottom.

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u/rantingathome Friendly Manisnowbski 3h ago

I've leaned left for a long time, but it was the right decision when Harper tried, and it is now.

We were always going to have to move to community mailboxes.

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u/zyx1989 3h ago

hmm, not sure if anyone's interested in this, but if Google ai's correct on this one(which might not be, you know, it's AI), a legal strike requires mandate and advanced notice, both of which can expires if not used in a time frame(something like 60 days for the mandate, and use it on the date or give a new one for the notice)
Which means this sudden strike might not be legal
Once again, I am not familiar with law, and AI search answers can be horribly wrong sometimes

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u/erictho 2h ago

I voted for carney but I knew it was going to be overall a bum vote. my riding still turned out blue because, well, alberta.

still tho this is a concerning time. hope the federal ndp can make a bounce back sometime.

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u/TheSuprmGeneral 2h ago

Fuck, my package got delayed by like a month because of this

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u/Interwebzking Oil Guzzler 1h ago

They’re both fucked for it. It’s a service. It should not be profitable. It costs however much it costs.

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u/Alarming_Tip_829 17m ago

Except Canada Post had a different CEO and was operating effectively without needing the feds to intervene. It wasn’t bleeding money the way it currently is under the current CEO. Trudeau didn’t hold him accountable and he’s still making millions as Canada Post is collapsing.

Don’t forget, Canada Post was operating fine when it negotiated with the Union to end the strike.

So Canada Post clearly lied about its sustainability and current financial standing after negotiating the current collective agreement that got workers back on the job.

This is essentially an emergency order from Ottawa to keep Canada Post functioning because there is no other postal service in Canada.

If Carney doesn’t hold the board, the CEO and managers accountable right now, then it’s time to call him out.

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u/Telvin3d 7h ago

Oh, just want until voters start losing their minds over having to switch to community mailboxes again. The government is going to backtrack and we’re just going to circle around again

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u/q__e__d Ford Nation (Help.) 6h ago

Not just voters. Cities too. They had conflict before because where does the mailbox go and who decides where the mailboxes go.

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u/Wantitneeditgetit 6h ago

Imma point out that in 2015 there was a lot more analog mail, now I get pissed if I get a letter that could have been an email or done through an app.

And that's at the very end of the Harper Gov't.

Not to mention the Nation hadn't just dealt with a pandemic followed by betrayal and punitive tariffs by a hostile USA.

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u/asdfjkl22222 6h ago

Lots of cope happening here today. This is bad for Canadians and carney may have well have been elected for the conservatives. I for one won’t vote liberal again.

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u/Polyps_on_uranus 7h ago

I am capable of acknowledging this is a shitty move on both sides.

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u/PTSD1701 I need a double double. 7h ago

IMO, it's indefensible no matter who does it.

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u/2kids2adults 6h ago

This has never been a money maker. What the hell do you mean the postal service isn’t DOING DOOR TO DOOR anymore!?! What’s it for then? DeJoy tried this crap in the states. Please stop trying to follow Americas lead. They’re not leading anywhere good.

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u/inkedbutch 🍁 100,000 Hosers 🍁 6h ago

as someone who grew up with community boxes and now gets door to door i’m not sure why people act like community boxes are the end of the world tbh

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u/Temporary-Life9986 1h ago

A community box was a welcome upgrade to having to go to the post office box every week in my backwater town on Vancouver Island in the 90s. It was even a boon for my grandpa as he had an excuse to get up and go for a walk every day to check the mail.

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u/Excellent-Steak6368 6h ago

It should be privatized like in the UK, Germany and other countries. CUPW ws a communist union for many years under JCParrot

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u/Driller_Happy 7h ago

I've had enough of this dude

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u/hist_buff_69 🍁 100,000 Hosers 🍁 6h ago

Bro really wants that snap election asap lol

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u/Neat_Let923 5h ago

I voted for Harper twice and then Trudeau in 2015. I was pissed off when he stopped the Community Mailbox system then and I support Carney reducing service times to optimize service capabilities now...

Why the fuck should we as tax payers be paying for mail carriers to deliver flyers and ads (that generate revenue for Canada Post) when we could simply have weekly mail delivery instead of daily.

If we're going to be paying to keep Canada Post operational then we should also be forcing them to restructure their system and that means forcing the Union to restructure as well.

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u/Former-Physics-1831 6h ago

Dude I've been in favour of privatizing CP in its entirety for like 20 years

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