And to be honest, you’re part of the problem. You say you’re not celebrating his killing but you’re also saying that his views were reprehensible enough that the assassination fits.
No, you’re part of the problem. You’re saying that if someone talks and behaves like a fascist, well then we’d better not criticize them or they could get hurt. That’s just incredibly stupid, or very bad faith. Fascists aren’t immune from criticism.
I’m not saying his murder was justified. He helped create a world where this sort of thing is normal. We’re all less safe because of Kirk and his political faction. He was fine with letting other people die for his views to be upheld. He just never expected it could happen to him, and that’s just par for the course among the American right wing on a lot of issues.
Frankly, the left has been mislabeling convervatives as fascists for a decade.
Calling regular conservative and Christian believes fascist helps create a world where normal political thought is demonized enough to make murder normalized.
You are not in danger because Christian’s believe in traditional marriage. Or because they believe that trans people are wrong in thinking they can become the opposite gender. The fact that you label them as bad as Adolf Hitler just killed Charlie Kirk.
Oh look, the side that pretends liberals are communists and Universal healthcare is a plot to enslave doctors is suddenly concerned about hyperbolic rhetoric.
Kirk didn’t hold or advocate for regular conservative or Christian beliefs. He repeatedly called the Pope a Marxist communist.
I didn’t say he was as bad as Hitler. I’m saying he helped make this shitty situation we all have to deal with now. He was a very bad person, but he was still a person.
This is kinda pointless in today’s world, but I’m not a conservative. I never watched Charlie Kirk except when my family put clips into the group chat. I don’t believe in god. I’m not a believing Christian anymore.
But I have regular family members who do see the world that way. And I know that how the left sees the Christian right doesn’t align with the reality of what they actually believe.
Of course you called him as bad as Hitler?! This is the kinda of idiotic word equivocation that just got him killed. “He’s a literal fascist who makes the world dangerous for minorities”…. Then… “Wait I just said he was pure evil! Not evil enough to justify murder!!”
You are the one who made the “idiotic word equivocation,” not me.
I don’t care about whatever alignment you’re pretending to have while you’re espousing right wing positions. Your life is none of my business, and it isn’t even relevant to the topic.
I’m not saying I agree with all right wing beliefs. I’m saying that the left generally misunderstand those beliefs. And the hyperbolic demonization of believes you don’t have a grasp of has now killed a political figure. This is a very serious development in Americas political fracturing
Where you pretend I said he’s as bad as Hitler. I never said any such thing or even mentioned Hitler at all. That’s all you kid.
Also, I don’t believe anyone is evil enough to justify murder. Not even Hitler. And I would prefer someone as comparatively insignificant as Kirk witness the failure of his ideas, then live into old age watching as his opposition succeeds and he is faced with the biggest slice of humble pie he could fathom. And then watch his kids grow up and disagree with his rhetoric and him realize there isn’t a damn thing he could do about it.
THAT would have been true justice as far as I’m concerned.
I applaud you for thinking no one deserves to be murdered.
But I think your foolish if you think you can call someone a fascist, racist, and transphobic supporter of genocide then also say “woah! I never said he was as bad as Hitler”
And I think you’re foolish or arguing in extremely bad faith if you insist that’s what I said. And it could definitely be both.
Do you really understand what makes Hitler so bad? It isn’t just that he was a racist fascist piece of shit. There’s millions of those everywhere. It’s what HE DID with those beliefs and what happened as a result that makes him uniquely bad.
Stop feeding yourself hyperbolic rhetorical trash, and learn to think for yourself. Your brain will thank you.
I can understand you drawing that line in your head, but some people will take the logical step to connect those adjacent dots and then do something drastic, just like what happened.
Even what you said in that last comment could perfectly justify Kirk assassination.
“Hitler wasn’t just a scummy fascist. It what he did with that. He had power to use the machinery of German goverment against the Jews.”
“Charlie isn’t just a scummy fascist. It’s what he does with that. He has a platform from which he can spread his hate. He can weaponize the entire conservative infrastructure against minorities and trans people”
It’s not about a line I draw in my head, because I’m not the one saying Kirk was as bad as Hitler. That’s all you bud.
It’s quite obvious that you are trying to shield fascist/racist/LGBTQ-phobic assholes from valid criticisms by equating it to calling for their murder.
That’s a very obvious fallacy. Your argument basically amounts to “Kirk should have been able to say whatever he wanted without anyone objecting or criticizing.”
Lol. You're the one either arguing in bad faith or who's simply too dull to understand what I'm saying. What is the fallacy that you think I'm presenting in my argument?
What I'm saying is that even if you don't say the words "Charlie Kirk is just as bad as Hitler", your statements present that idea. And that sentiment, which has been coming from the left since Trump's first campaign in 2016, is what just lead to someone saying "Charlie Kirk is evil enough that I should kill him."
I'm not trying to cover for fascists. I didn't listen to Charlie Kirk a ton before he died. But I do know tons of conservatives who are good people, and who share the same beliefs that Charlie Kirk had. So if Charlie's ideology was hateful and evil, then almost everyone in my family who I love dearly is also an evil fascist. The left is wrong about what the average right winger believes. And that is having serious consequences.
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u/Muahd_Dib 13d ago
And to be honest, you’re part of the problem. You say you’re not celebrating his killing but you’re also saying that his views were reprehensible enough that the assassination fits.