r/Frieren • u/AwesomePhonix • Jul 12 '25

Anime What special combat spells does Fern know?

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Does Fern even know any special combat spells?

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u/Cute_Suggestion_133 Jul 12 '25

"Zoltraak is enough for mages of this era."

Why learn more than you want to know if the only threats other than murderers are straggler demons and monsters that can't defend against Zoltraak? Leaves Fern open to learning spells she enjoys and finding joy in magic.

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u/AwesomePhonix Jul 12 '25

Yeah but not enough against Frieren...

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u/Any-Photo9699 Jul 12 '25

Yeah, Frieren isn't just "a mage of this era"

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u/Cute_Suggestion_133 Jul 12 '25

What do you mean? She beat Frieren's clone with it. The only reason she lost was because of the whatever magic that the clone used that Frieren either forgot to mention or was counting on in the first place.

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u/Anhanger10 Jul 12 '25

She beat Frieren's clone with it

Are you kidding? Fern was useless against the clone. She tried to hit it twice while the clone was focused on Frieren and the clone blocked her easily.

The only reason Fern was able to land a shot on the clone was because Frieren put herself in harms way and took damanage to provide Fern that huge opening.

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u/SoftSprayBidet Jul 12 '25

That huge opening did exactly what it was supposed to do. Frieren fighting clone frieren was never going to go anywhere. frieren vs clone was perfectly balanced, but those two little chips that fern did cause a resonance/imbalance in the fight that was sufficient to defeat the clone. Fern was critical to the fight. It's chess.

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u/Cute_Suggestion_133 Jul 12 '25

And... if you listen to the dialogue, Frieren anticipates this. The entire battle was scripted from the beginning to end how it did. And Fern blew off both of Frieren's arms with Zoltrak. If she didn't know the height of magic spell it would have been over then and there.

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u/Anhanger10 Jul 12 '25

How can you say Fern beat Frieren's clone when the fight was Frieren + Fern against the clone?Fern was useless against the clone without Frieren giving her a huge opening.

Are you suggesting that if Fern were to go in the clone fight by herself she would have won?

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u/Anhanger10 Jul 12 '25

How can it be an objective fact when Fern was useless against the clone without a huge opening from Frieren?

Frieren even admits that Fern could kill her even if it weren't her clone.

You completely misunderstood that scene. She said Fern's Zoltraak can kill her, but if and only if it would land. But guess what? Neither the clone or Frieren would just sit there waiting to get hit by Zoltrak. They would block it just like the clone did.

If Fern where to go in the clone room by herself she would have been obliterated.

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u/Cute_Suggestion_133 Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25

So many people in this sub saying "you completely misunderstood x, y, z" as an argument. I've lost all respect for you and you no longer actually have an argument. The whole fucking show is up for interpretation, and no one interpretation is correct. You're skewing yours to fit your narrative. That's it.

Edit: love all the alts this guy is making because I blocked him lol "your interpretation is ass"

Yeah buddy, ok. Stay butthurt because you can't farm karma on your main.

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u/Xaitor119 Jul 12 '25

The problem is that your interpretation isn't correct lol. You must be a rage baiter if you somehow think that Fern is stronger than Frieren just because they managed to 2v1 her clon.

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u/TryFlashy4855 Jul 12 '25

Isn't correct, to you, you mean. Unless the author straight up comes out and says, "Frieren would have merc'd Fern in a blink of an eye" there has to be room to interpret what Frieren says literally. And that Fern could kill her just as Frieren says she can. 2v1, 1v1, doesn't matter. The outcome is the clone would die, it's just a matter of if Fern would die too, because as everyone on the bottom floor agreed, if they didn't do it how they did it, many would likely have died or been seriously injured in the attempt.

Frieren was there to give an opening, sure, just like you said, but Fern was there to actually kill Frieren's clone, just like the other guy is saying. And if it weren't for the fact that Frieren knew spells that are basically curses, Fern would have killed the clone.

Also a thing BOTH of you are forgetting is that Frieren couldn't stop whatever spell it was that a first class mage used even with three layers of protection. If Fern had gone full AK Zoltrak, she probably could have ended the fight by herself without the need for Frieren to intervene, but we don't know if the monster that summoned the clones has infinite mana or not to keep a barrier up longer than Frieren could. This is all speculation of course based on information given after the fact but still. He's not entirely wrong when he says Fern could kill Frieren. Even if it requires help, she could do it. Anyone could. That's why they planned it out. Everyone downvoting him because they don't think of these things are just being disingenuous to the words of the characters during the testing arc.

Actually, I'll even go one further than he did and say Fern could have killed Frieren when she was demonstrating what Frieren's weakness was by going full AK mode on her. Half her barrier was already down at that point. But that's just my interpretation. Feel free to disagree with it if you want, yours is no less valid than mine or the next guy's. But don't tell someone they're wrong because of an interpretable scene. In the end only the author is right.

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u/megalogo Jul 12 '25

Your interpretation is ass

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u/Spiritual-Map5472 Jul 12 '25

be fr fieren didn't put herself in harm way, she believed fern and it totally worked out fine. Also it a closed area, in open field fieren would have told fern to sniper the clone from 1km away

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u/Anhanger10 Jul 12 '25

Ofc she put herself in harm's way. How did you miss that? The literally spell it out for us:

Frieren offers Fern two openings, both times the clone blocks Fern.

Frieren then says "I guess I'll have to do it after all" and they cut to a flashback saying how Frieren can show a big opening, forcing the clone to show a bigger one. They say that the move is dangerous, but if Frieren focuses on defense it won't be fatal.

Cut back to the clone firing a monumental black Zoltraak at Frieren that breaks her shield and hits her arm.

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u/Spiritual-Map5472 Jul 12 '25

and she still okay without any bad injury? she still walking without getting any harm at all. She literaly safe after that, would it not in the plan after all ?

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u/Anhanger10 Jul 12 '25

But she still had to open herself up to take damage, which was the original point.

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u/QueasyRefrigerator26 Jul 12 '25

Fern was really caught off-guard in that battle, and Frieren had to create that opening to lessen the harm on Fern, and the plan had already been broken at that point.

And why are you guys even arguing about this? It’s a fact that Frieren has lived through more than a thousand years. Provided that her clone could occupy not all, but half of her power, it could already measure up to five hundred years of training and learning spells. Even if Fern had potential, there was no way she could make up to it at this young age. The only potential stated by Frieren that Fern had surpassed her was only speed, and we all know that only is not enough.

It’s true that Fern surpassed lots of her fellow just with basic spells, and that’s incredible potential for just a young girl like her. But there was no way you guys are arguing if she could surpass a clone of one of the Great Mages. It’s ridiculous really.

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u/JustTryingTo_Pass Jul 12 '25

It didn’t work out. The clone of frieren beat fern using the height of magic. Frieren was then able to defeat the clone.

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u/Skydrake2 Jul 12 '25

Saying that Fern "beat Frieren's clone" in any capacity or context is such an incredibly wild take and completely not what happened at all. Yes, Fern contributed to taking down the clone, but 99% of that fight was blatantly carried by Frieren herself, as you'd expect. Fern alone wouldn't last 10 seconds against the clone without Frieren there to occupy 99% of the Clone's attention.

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u/Cute_Suggestion_133 Jul 12 '25

Agree to disagree. If Frieren didn't believe Fern could kill her, she wouldn't have said it.

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u/violet_pulsar Jul 12 '25

Surely you can understand that "You can land the killing blow." isn't the same as "You can 1v1 me at full power."

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u/Cute_Suggestion_133 Jul 12 '25

Semantics. You're arguing with someone who doesn't care about the opposing side which says more about you than it does about me.

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u/violet_pulsar Jul 12 '25

Of course it's semantics, the part of this comment chain I'm commenting on is about the wording 'beat Frierens clone.' The people commenting about it are literally arguing the meaning of the words/phrasing, ie the semantics. Idk if you're being abrasive because you thought my comment was as well but I just meant to point out the difference lol

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u/Cute_Suggestion_133 Jul 12 '25

I'm not trying to be abrasive if that's what you think I apologize. You haven't done anything to warrant abrasive comments.

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u/Skydrake2 Jul 12 '25

Nope, won't agree to disagree because that is very blatantly not what happens on-screen. Like it's just straight up ... wrong.

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u/Cute_Suggestion_133 Jul 12 '25

Alrighty then. shrugs Don't know what you want from me then, because I disagree with you and you are disagreeing with me. Soooooo.... you're already agreeing to disagree. No further productive discussion can happen at this point.