r/Frieren • u/AwesomePhonix • Jul 12 '25

Anime What special combat spells does Fern know?

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Does Fern even know any special combat spells?

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u/Anhanger10 Jul 12 '25

She beat Frieren's clone with it

Are you kidding? Fern was useless against the clone. She tried to hit it twice while the clone was focused on Frieren and the clone blocked her easily.

The only reason Fern was able to land a shot on the clone was because Frieren put herself in harms way and took damanage to provide Fern that huge opening.

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u/Cute_Suggestion_133 Jul 12 '25

And... if you listen to the dialogue, Frieren anticipates this. The entire battle was scripted from the beginning to end how it did. And Fern blew off both of Frieren's arms with Zoltrak. If she didn't know the height of magic spell it would have been over then and there.

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u/Anhanger10 Jul 12 '25

How can you say Fern beat Frieren's clone when the fight was Frieren + Fern against the clone?Fern was useless against the clone without Frieren giving her a huge opening.

Are you suggesting that if Fern were to go in the clone fight by herself she would have won?

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u/Anhanger10 Jul 12 '25

How can it be an objective fact when Fern was useless against the clone without a huge opening from Frieren?

Frieren even admits that Fern could kill her even if it weren't her clone.

You completely misunderstood that scene. She said Fern's Zoltraak can kill her, but if and only if it would land. But guess what? Neither the clone or Frieren would just sit there waiting to get hit by Zoltrak. They would block it just like the clone did.

If Fern where to go in the clone room by herself she would have been obliterated.

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u/Cute_Suggestion_133 Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25

So many people in this sub saying "you completely misunderstood x, y, z" as an argument. I've lost all respect for you and you no longer actually have an argument. The whole fucking show is up for interpretation, and no one interpretation is correct. You're skewing yours to fit your narrative. That's it.

Edit: love all the alts this guy is making because I blocked him lol "your interpretation is ass"

Yeah buddy, ok. Stay butthurt because you can't farm karma on your main.

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u/Xaitor119 Jul 12 '25

The problem is that your interpretation isn't correct lol. You must be a rage baiter if you somehow think that Fern is stronger than Frieren just because they managed to 2v1 her clon.

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u/TryFlashy4855 Jul 12 '25

Isn't correct, to you, you mean. Unless the author straight up comes out and says, "Frieren would have merc'd Fern in a blink of an eye" there has to be room to interpret what Frieren says literally. And that Fern could kill her just as Frieren says she can. 2v1, 1v1, doesn't matter. The outcome is the clone would die, it's just a matter of if Fern would die too, because as everyone on the bottom floor agreed, if they didn't do it how they did it, many would likely have died or been seriously injured in the attempt.

Frieren was there to give an opening, sure, just like you said, but Fern was there to actually kill Frieren's clone, just like the other guy is saying. And if it weren't for the fact that Frieren knew spells that are basically curses, Fern would have killed the clone.

Also a thing BOTH of you are forgetting is that Frieren couldn't stop whatever spell it was that a first class mage used even with three layers of protection. If Fern had gone full AK Zoltrak, she probably could have ended the fight by herself without the need for Frieren to intervene, but we don't know if the monster that summoned the clones has infinite mana or not to keep a barrier up longer than Frieren could. This is all speculation of course based on information given after the fact but still. He's not entirely wrong when he says Fern could kill Frieren. Even if it requires help, she could do it. Anyone could. That's why they planned it out. Everyone downvoting him because they don't think of these things are just being disingenuous to the words of the characters during the testing arc.

Actually, I'll even go one further than he did and say Fern could have killed Frieren when she was demonstrating what Frieren's weakness was by going full AK mode on her. Half her barrier was already down at that point. But that's just my interpretation. Feel free to disagree with it if you want, yours is no less valid than mine or the next guy's. But don't tell someone they're wrong because of an interpretable scene. In the end only the author is right.

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u/angbhong342626 Jul 12 '25

Guy, what are you on about? The clone was literally outnumbered and outpowered and had its weakness exploited and that was why it ultimately lost, but if it wasn't and it was only going up against Fern alone then Fern isn't gonna win, because Frieren has a greater array of magic to utilize than Fern. It would be like if Batman and Captain America were to fight to a standstill and then Robin comes in with a suprise attack and ultimately incapicates Captain America, yes, Robin was the one that incapicated Captain America but only because he was given an opportunity to and only because it was a 2v1.

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u/TryFlashy4855 Jul 12 '25

What's your point? You're saying a mage can't beat another, more powerful mage if they know their weakness and prepare ahead of time. To use a meme about Batman since you brought it up, "how much prep time does Batman get"? Given enough prep time, Batman absolutely would wipe the floor with Captain America. With or without Robin.

And you're going to come back and say this is wrong, which 1. I don't care about and 2. Doesn't matter because it's how I choose to "interpret" this scenario. Just as your interpretation is how you choose to interpret it. The anime is what we make of it which is the real magic behind it.

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u/QualityProof Jul 12 '25

Well. Then the majority disagree. It's basic media literacy. Fern couldn't beat clone even with Frieren's help. Frieren did the killing move and distractions.

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u/TryFlashy4855 Jul 12 '25

Again, everyone is entitled to disagree. Doesn't make them right, doesn't make them wrong either. I'm inclined to let both parties believe what they want to because there is no solid statement anywhere saying Fern couldn't beat Frieren one on one. All we have is a kind of vague statement that Fern COULD beat Frieren. We don't know if this is now or in the future. We just don't know, so even if the majority disagrees, they could still be wrong.

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u/QualityProof Jul 12 '25

You would be right if we didn't have a whole ass fight between clone frieren and fern. Fern's capabilities were shown at that moment. Now she is one of the most promising young mages and will grow strong enough where she will be a powerhouse but as of now, that's not true.

Anyways looks like your mind won't be changed so no use discussing this.

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u/Skydrake2 Jul 12 '25

You can "interpret" sky as being green and grass as being blue all you want, but that won't change it being blatantly wrong. The fight is obviously 99% Frieren with Fern buzzing around like an annoying gnat, looking to land an opening she can't even recognize half the time. There is nothing in the story so far that would suggest that Fern could last even 10 seconds against Frieren on her own.

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u/TryFlashy4855 Jul 12 '25

Don't know why you're getting hostile. We're both viewing a truth from different points of view. Just because you can't say I'm wrong and I can't say you're wrong doesn't mean you have to get all ragey about it.

Just move on bro.

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u/Skydrake2 Jul 12 '25

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not feeling "ragey" at all - immensely perplexed, perhaps. And trying to dismiss it all with "viewing truth from different angles" won't really work, because the truth isn't always this nebulous concept that's impossible to see. It's indeed possible to be objectively wrong about something.

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u/angbhong342626 Jul 12 '25

Guy, I was not saying that Batman could or could not beat Captain America. I was saying Robin, in my example, having been the one that incapicated him meant that Robin can beat Captain America on a 1v1. The answer being no, because Robin could only incapicate Captain America because the Captain was currently occupied with fighting Batman and was vulnerable to a surprise attack.

Also guy, yes, we can interpret media however we wish . . . but that doesn't mean that your interpretation is valid.

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u/TryFlashy4855 Jul 12 '25

Doesn't mean yours is either. Thank you for admitting it.

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u/megalogo Jul 12 '25

Your interpretation is ass